Parents Force Daughter to Drink Lethal Amounts of Soda

[Ant-manic]

the death of their daughter is punishment enough. and i'm not talking about them feeling guilty about it. i'm talking about them becoming social pariah. the information age will make sure that what they did follows them around. i hope that whenever they see kids playing around the neighborhood that they think about that "lesson" they taught their deceased child.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

the death of their daughter is punishment enough. and i'm not talking about them feeling guilty about it. i'm talking about them becoming social pariah. the information age will make sure that what they did follows them around. i hope that whenever they see kids playing around the neighborhood that they think about that "lesson" they taught their deceased child.

I don't know about that. Apparently just drinking the soda wasn't enough.

From the article:

In addition to drinking more than 2 liters of fluids in about two hours, she also suffered other forms of punishment, Bell told the affiliate. He did not get into specifics.

Which sounds like a text book case of a history of abuse. I just hope these people don't have any other kids.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

the death of their daughter is punishment enough. and i'm not talking about them feeling guilty about it. i'm talking about them becoming social pariah. the information age will make sure that what they did follows them around. i hope that whenever they see kids playing around the neighborhood that they think about that "lesson" they taught their deceased child.

This is ridiculous. You could use this in every such situation. Guy kills his girlfriend because he thinks she cheated on him, "Well she is going to be a a social pariah. Guess we don't have to send him to jail".

They belong in jail for killing another human being. Hopefully for the rest of their lives.

 

[Thundercrack85]

She died from being abused. There is your intent. Their intent was to cause her pain and as a result she is dead. You don't get to abuse a kid and then be like, "I didn't know it would kill her".

You're assuming that was their intent.

Again, I would need to know if there is any history. Also, obviously questioning.

I'm certainly not saying slap on the wrist. But there is a difference between negligence, endangerment, manslaughter and straight up deliberate murder.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You're assuming that was their intent.

Again, I would need to know if there is any history. Also, obviously questioning.

I'm certainly not saying slap on the wrist. But there is a difference between negligence, endangerment, manslaughter and straight up deliberate murder.

I am not assuming anything. They forced fed soda to their daughter because she dared drink some. It was their form of punishment, punishment that would clearly cause great physical pain. Do you think they forced her to drink it as some sort of a reward?

There is such thing as felony child abuse, and well this would be classic felony murder.

 

[Thundercrack85]

You're being ridiculous.

The point is, you're making the claim that they deliberately made her drink until it killed her. That's first degree murder.

You have to prove that was their intent.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

I am not assuming anything. They forced fed soda to their daughter because she dared drink some. It was their form of punishment, punishment that would clearly cause great physical pain. Do you think they forced her to drink it as some sort of a reward?

There is such thing as felony child abuse, and well this would be classic felony murder.

The fact that the article says there was "other punishment" that they wouldn't go into detail about, is a big deal.

They can claim they didn't know forcing her to drink 2 liters would kill her, but the other punishment, unless it was a time out, seems ridiculously excessive.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You're being ridiculous.

The point is, you're making the claim that they deliberately made her drink until it killed her. That's first degree murder.

You have to prove that was their intent.

Actually if their state has felony murder, all you have to prove is that they were committing a felony and in the process their child died. In this case, felony child abuse.

But forget felony murder. Say you decide to torture someone, you know by whipping them. You have no intent to kill them, just to cause them pain. In the process the person dies. You think you get to claim, "well my intent wasn't to kill so don't charge me with murder".

They tortured their daughter, to death. If they didn't know it would kill her, maybe they should have checked before they decided to do it. Or maybe when their daughter was screaming in agony they should have stopped and got her to the hospital.

 

[Breogan]

Pretty much these "parents" as punishment; should be forced to live in a vat of grape soda. (which is more kind than what they forced on their daughter.)
We don't know if it will kill them, but if it does woops, sorry we didn't know.

Also never mind their criminal way of punishing a child, but even before that - I get having rules in a home, but what the frak is going on in a home were a stepmother is coveting for herself and laying down laws about HER grape-soda against a 5 year old.

Sick!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why are some acting like what they did was harmless? If they made her sit and corner and think about what she did, fine. If they said no more grape soda, fine. They forced her to drink two plus liters of grape soda. How many here would do that for enjoyment? There is a reason they had to force her. I'd tap after liter on my best day and I am fully grown man. This is a 5 year old child.

 

[Breogan]

Why are some acting like what they did was harmless? If they made her sit and corner and think about what she did, fine. If they said no more grape soda, fine. They forced her to drink two plus liters of grape soda. How many here would do that for enjoyment? There is a reason they had to force her. I'd tap after liter on my best day and I am fully grown man. This is a 5 year old child.

Yeah if at some point they were actually watching her get sick, and still forced her more, then I would go with murder.

I don't care if they didn't know grape soda could kill her.
They know making an already sick person - even sicker - can lead to death.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So the little girl had 2.4 liters of liquid in her body. A combination of water and soda. She was apparently vomiting repeatedly and they forced her to keep drinking.

Yeah, life in prison.

 

[Ant-manic]

This is ridiculous. You could use this in every such situation. Guy kills his girlfriend because he thinks she cheated on him, "Well she is going to be a a social pariah. Guess we don't have to send him to jail".

They belong in jail for killing another human being. Hopefully for the rest of their lives.

i have no problem with them going to jail. i have no problem with them being hit by a bus. i simply stated that what's going to drive the home point is their inability to escape social condemnation. jail is unlikely to make them any smarter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

i have no problem with them going to jail. i have no problem with them being hit by a bus. i simply stated that what's going to drive the home point is their inability to escape social condemnation. jail is unlikely to make them any smarter.

My apologies. I read your post completely wrong.

 

[charl_huntress]

What a beautiful child...

*shakes head*

Randall Lee Vaughn, 41, and and his wife, Mary Lavonne Vaughn, 58, have each been charged with first degree murder, two counts of aggravated child neglect and aggravated child abuse.

This is really tough because I am sure they did not mean to kill her. I'm curious though if this was their only child or first child. I would expect something like this from a younger couple, but not from an older one.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

What a beautiful child...

*shakes head*

This is really tough because I am sure they did not mean to kill her. I'm curious though if this was their only child or first child. I would expect something like this from a younger couple, but not from an older one.

They may not have meant to kill her with the drinking punishment, but they certainly were quite abusive if you read the article.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What a beautiful child...

*shakes head*

This is really tough because I am sure they did not mean to kill her. I'm curious though if this was their only child or first child. I would expect something like this from a younger couple, but not from an older one.

Isn't the 58 year old the stepmother, the one whose soda was taken?

And what is tough about this? They wanted to inflict harm. The child was vomiting and they forced her to keep drinking.

 

[charl_huntress]

Isn't the 58 year old the stepmother, the one whose soda was taken?

And what is tough about this? They wanted to inflict harm. The child was vomiting and they forced her to keep drinking.

I'm not sure of all the details. I read she drank for over 2 hours, then vomited, and I don't know about the soda ownership.

What's tough is I really don't think they meant to kill her, so that will be very tough to prove. You'd have to really sell the idea they're much smarter than the look to convince a jury they masterminded a plan to kill the child with soda. Child abuse for sure though...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If you kill your child while intentionally inflicting harm, how is it not murder? When someone can explain that, maybe I'll understand the doubt.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, in this case, they could plead ignorance.

I would not be surprised if they were too dumb to realize that this could cause death. All the defense would have to do is show that they're a bunch of ignorant morons.

They'll still go to prison though, just on manslaughter charges.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, in this case, they could plead ignorance.

I would not be surprised if they were too dumb to realize that this could cause death. All the defense would have to do is show that they're a bunch of ignorant morons.

They'll still go to prison though, just on manslaughter charges.

That isn't the point. Whether they were too stupid to know that they could kill the child or not, they know they were harming the little girl. They know they were inflicting pain, abusing her. They did this to "punish" her. They wanted to hurt her.

That the little girl also has prior soft tissue injuries and apparently damage to the back of the skull, it seems pretty clear they beat her before this incident.

 

[charl_huntress]

If you kill your child while intentionally inflicting harm, how is it not murder? When someone can explain that, maybe I'll understand the doubt.

They killed her during a punishment...yes, but I don't think they knew that much soda and water would kill her.

I wonder where this gluttony approach came from. I want to say I saw this on Different Strokes way back when... But does anyone know?

 

[Thundercrack85]

It's quite old. There are accounts dating back to ancient times.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They killed her during a punishment...yes, but I don't think they knew that much soda and water would kill her.

I wonder where this gluttony approach came from. I want to say I saw this on Different Strokes way back when... But does anyone know?

There is a big difference between putting your child in the corner and telling them to think about what they did, and having them double the amount of liquid in their body. The little girl was in extreme pain and discomfort. This would have been obvious.

 

[charl_huntress]

Are you kidding? I just don't understand how or why this sort of punishment came to be popular as a form of dissuasion. *shrugs* Weird...