Parents Force Daughter to Drink Lethal Amounts of Soda

[charl_huntress]

No, but maybe someone got that part wrong when they were telling the parents about the movie.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

That's alot of maybe's, Charl...

Maybe these are just a couple of bad people

 

[jmc]

I think everyone is against abuse, but what do you deem child abuse verse discipline? Is it not okay to spank a child any longer? What these people did was excessive and stupid, but would it have been better for them to spank the child if they felt she needed discipline? Forget you don't think she needed to be disciplined to begin with. What sort of discipline would have been best?

I ask this question because I'm curious as to what others might say. It is easy to criticize parenting techniques from the outside looking in, and it's really easy to do this when you have no children. Yet I think we all agree raising kids is difficult, so what's the solution to disciplining kids in this day and age?

There is a vast difference between discipline and harm, psychologically speaking all violence does, whatever its nature, is make the situation worse by instilling fear into the equation. There is no logical reason for children to be smacked, it's just bad habits that have been brought down from generation to generation because people think it does the job. Positive discipline and rewards systems are a far better option.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

Was the son in the movie a 5 year old child?

I saw this movie where the guy killed and abused all the kids. It was called Nightmare on Elm Street. Maybe They based their parenting off of that movie. Because that is totally ok to learn how to parent from movies.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

True, but I am recalling seeing this discipline technique more often now that I think about it. There's a scene in some movie or film where a father is encouraging his son to drink as many beers as he wants until he throws up and is sick. The next day the son has learned his lesson and never wants to drink again. Now what if these people saw this in a movie, or heard about this from someone else who saw it in a movie, and thinks it is common sense?

What if, maybe hypothetical, let's pretend fantasyland?

 

[charl_huntress]

There is a vast difference between discipline and harm, psychologically speaking all violence does, whatever its nature, is make the situation worse by instilling fear into the equation. There is no logical reason for children to be smacked, it's just bad habits that have been brought down from generation to generation because people think it does the job. Positive discipline and rewards systems are a far better option.

I understand where you are coming from, but it wasn't too long ago when this method was included as a valid parenting technique. It's only of late that spankings and whatnots have been discouraged, but now look at kids today... Spanking might be bad, but it's better than nothing, which is what most parents think discipline amounts to today.... Doing nothing, and letting kids be kids. I guess...

That's alot of maybe's, Charl...

Maybe these are just a couple of bad people

Very true, but I'm saying this gluttony punishment may have seemed based on something they seen. And how many people have done stupid stuff they have seen in a movie or on TV thinking it was logical?

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Very true, but I'm saying this gluttony punishment may have seemed based on something they seen. And how many people have done stupid stuff they have seen in a movie or on TV thinking it was logical?

Then they must be a very special kind of ******s to look at a small, 5 year old child,tehn look at a two liters of Soda and then thinking:'hmmm....y'all know what i think will be a good 'punishment' for her? seen it on the teevee once!'

 

[Hal_Jordan]

Then they must be a very special kind of ******s to look at a small, 5 year old child,tehn look at a two liters of Soda and then thinking:'hmmm....y'all know what i think will be a good 'punishment' for her? seen it on the teevee once!'

Not only that, that wasn't the only punishment they were dishing out to this poor kid. They were doing something else to her and the article can't even mention what it was, so it can't be good.

 

[charl_huntress]

Then they must be a very special kind of ******s to look at a small, 5 year old child,tehn look at a two liters of Soda and then thinking:'hmmm....y'all know what i think will be a good 'punishment' for her? seen it on the teevee once!'

The truly sad thing is I am not surprised by that even though you meant it as a joke.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Not only that, that wasn't the only punishment they were dishing out to this poor kid. They were doing something else to her and the article can't even mention what it was, so it can't be good.

Exactly that!

I'm willing to give people the benefits of the doubts most times, but not on this instance.

This wasn't just a punishment. It was pure meaness on their part. I don't care WHERE they get the ideas from, it will NEVER excuse what they did to that poor child.EVER!

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

The truly sad thing is I am not surprised by that even though you meant it as a joke

The thing is, i don't believe that they did this out of ignorance.According to some of the articles, the whole thing stretches into a period of a couple of hours.Think about that.

Even IF before they forced her to drink they didn't know what the full effect will be...they must've found out pretty quick after that.Sane people would've stop after the first sign that the child was having trouble.They didn't.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

This is why I'm firmly against abuse as a form of punishment. Physically harming a child does nothing but make the situation worse, in this case it went to the very extreme and now those parents have to live with that decision and the consequences.

This worry is overrated
Pain makes us stronger

 

[charl_huntress]

The thing is, i don't believe that they did this out of ignorance.According to some of the articles, the whole thing stretches into a period of a couple of hours.Think about that.

Even IF before they forced her to drink they didn't know what the full effect will be...they must've found out pretty quick after that.Sane people would've stop after the first sign that the child was having trouble.They didn't.

They sound like horrible parents, but they are smarter than anyone is giving they credit for if they hatched some ingenious plan to kill their child with soda and water ingestion. I'm not saying they weren't being mean spirited and vindictive, but that they probably thought the punishment would not kill her. It's also possible they thought it would not kill her because they had seen a similar punishment on TV or in a movie. Again, how many dumb asses have tried things they saw on TV or in a movie?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They sound like horrible parents, but they are smarter than anyone is giving they credit for if they hatched some ingenious plan to kill their child with soda and water ingestion. I'm not saying they weren't being mean spirited and vindictive, but that they probably thought the punishment would not kill her. It's also possible they thought it would not kill her because they had seen a similar punishment on TV or in a movie. Again, how many dumb asses have tried things they saw on TV or in a movie?

The problem here is that you are not allowed to be mean spirited and vindictive to the point of causing a child great harm. You don't get to do that. This was long, sustained brutal punishment. You seem to think the girl wasn't in agony during this. She was and was showing the signs.

Who the hell punishes their kid for two hours while they are vomiting all over the place?

If you are going to do something so extreme, so brutal, you don't get to say "I didn't know what would happen". Ignorance is not a defense when you do something specifically meant to inflict great physical harm on someone else, especially a child.

 

[charl_huntress]

The problem here is that you are not allowed to be mean spirited and vindictive to the point of causing a child great harm. You don't get to do that. This was long, sustained brutal punishment. You seem to think the girl wasn't in agony during this. She was and was showing the signs.

Who the hell punishes their kid for two hours while they are vomiting all over the place?

If you are going to do something so extreme, so brutal, you don't get to say "I didn't know what would happen". Ignorance is not a defense when you do something specifically meant to inflict great physical harm on someone else, especially a child.

You are allowed to be mean spirited and vindictive though. That's something any ******* has the right to do and we see that quite frequently in real life and on the internet. So I don't find that shocking. I just don't think they thought their excessive mean spirited punishment would be lethal. Seriously, if these people were that dumb, and they sound that dumb, they truly might not have known. Dumb people do dumb ****. They should be punished, but I don't know how you prove they had an intent to murder her, or though the punishment would kill her.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You are allowed to be mean spirited and vindictive though. That's something any ******* has the right to do and we see that quite frequently in real life and on the internet. So I don't find that shocking. I just don't think they thought their excessive mean spirited punishment would be lethal. Seriously, if these people were that dumb, and they sound that dumb, they truly might not have known. Dumb people do dumb ****. They should be punished, but I don't know how you prove they had an intent to murder her, or though the punishment would kill her.

I think you missed the rest of that sentence.

The problem here is that you are not allowed to be mean spirited and vindictive to the point of causing a child great harm

And they don't need to think the punishment could kill her. Doing something so clearly dangerous is enough. Unless they are both severely mentally handicap, being "too dumb" isn't an excuse.

 

[charl_huntress]

And they don't need to think the punishment could kill her. Doing something so clearly dangerous is enough. Unless they are both severely mentally handicap, being "too dumb" isn't an excuse.

They should certainly be charged with child abuse. That was abusive, but I'm saying they could have been dumb enough to think it wouldn't kill her, and that should be considered. Seriously, some people are that dumb. I wouldn't be surprised if they thought the vomiting was helpful because she was purging. Again, they are not the sharpest tools in the bunch to begin with. That faulty thinking combined with their cruelty did kill her, but it's going to be hard to prove they meant kill her. The reason I say this I don't think they are mad geniuses and did this because they thought they would get away with it. 1st degree murder seems a bit overboard.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My point is being too dumb is not a defense.

 

[charl_huntress]

It could be if your defense is that you didn't know you would kill someone. We hear that all time.

 

[jmc]

I understand where you are coming from, but it wasn't too long ago when this method was included as a valid parenting technique. It's only of late that spankings and whatnots have been discouraged, but now look at kids today... Spanking might be bad, but it's better than nothing, which is what most parents think discipline amounts to today.... Doing nothing, and letting kids be kids. I guess...

No, it's ****ing lazy.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It could be if your defense is that you didn't know you would kill someone. We hear that all time.

And how often does it work?

 

[jmc]

This worry is overrated
Pain makes us stronger

In the metaphorical sense yes if you're talking about something like hard work. In the physical sense is doesn't, it's unnecessary.

 

[charl_huntress]

No, it's ****ing lazy.

I think that may be the norm for some though...and there's no telling who can have kids these days. That's why propose some licensure...lol.

And how often does it work?

I would say frequently people are not given long prison sentences for unknowingly killing someone they did not mean to.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I would say frequently people are not given long prison sentences for unknowingly killing someone they did not mean to.

In how many of these situations were they purposely causing great bodily harm?

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

The problem here is that you are not allowed to be mean spirited and vindictive to the point of causing a child great harm. You don't get to do that. This was long, sustained brutal punishment

That's what i've been saying. Especially the bolded part.Being dumb and /or ignorant excuses goes right out the window if you really look into this objectively.