"Passengers" - Sci-fi drama starring Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence

[squeekness]

I had that same question about having kids. You'd think there would have been a couple of them at least.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could make a spin-off about the kids and grandkids with new actors. It doesn't have to be about waking up other passengers and can avoid the controversy of the first film. I just want to see a movie about a generational ship that travels for hundreds of years to a new planet and where you see all the changes over that time. Since they've already set up the premise here, they could just continue it rather than start again from scratch.

Has a film like that ever been made?

 

[squeekness]

They could make a spin-off about the kids and grandkids with new actors. It doesn't have to be about waking up other passengers and can avoid the controversy of the first film. I just want to see a movie about a generational ship that travels for hundreds of years to a new planet and where you see all the changes over that time. Since they've already set up the premise here, they could just continue it rather than start again from scratch.

Has a film like that ever been made?

Wall-E.

 

[Teelie]

There are deleted scenes which show they did indeed have children.

 

[Incarnadine]

They could make a spin-off about the kids and grandkids with new actors. It doesn't have to be about waking up other passengers and can avoid the controversy of the first film. I just want to see a movie about a generational ship that travels for hundreds of years to a new planet and where you see all the changes over that time. Since they've already set up the premise here, they could just continue it rather than start again from scratch.

Has a film like that ever been made?

There are problems with that.

While they could have had children, they were still 90 years out so even their children would have been dead by the time they arrived.

As for grandchildren, there are only two options. The first option is just, ewwww. The second option would be they had to awaken even more passengers early.
Neither is a good option so it would make sense they would forego having kids since you would be dooming them to a life of celibacy and loneliness or you would be forcing more unsuspecting passengers to a life spent on a ship with strangers.

 

[Dark Raven]

There are deleted scenes which show they did indeed have children.

Where are these deleted scenes? Why were they deleted?

There are problems with that.

While they could have had children, they were still 90 years out so even their children would have been dead by the time they arrived.

As for grandchildren, there are only two options. The first option is just, ewwww. The second option would be they had to awaken even more passengers early.
Neither is a good option so it would make sense they would forego having kids since you would be dooming them to a life of celibacy and loneliness or you would be forcing more unsuspecting passengers to a life spent on a ship with strangers.

Their children could still have been alive 90 years later if they lived that long. And maybe they could have encountered a ship that was damaged that needed to take refuge on board the passenger ship which had passengers of its own.

I don't see why they would forgo having kids. If she got pregnant, is she just going to abort the baby for that reason? Wouldn't she want to have it and look after it?

 

[Dark Raven]

Here's something I thought:

What if, after waking Jennifer Lawrence up, and having looked at her profile for months, Chris Pratt found that the two of them didn't actually get along in person? What if there was no chemistry? What if all her interview and social media clips were just her putting on a front to appear more personable on camera? Or what if it was real, but the two of them simply had a personality clash?

On paper someone can seem like the perfect person, but when you meet them in person they can be very different.

Or what if the protagonist didn't look like Chris Pratt but someone else to whom Jennifer Lawrence wasn't physically attracted? Would they still have hooked up? There are some people though, even if you get to know them, you'll never feel attracted to them and wouldn't want to hook up with them.

Although she might have had an interesting profile, what if she didn't find Pratt interesting at all and thought they had nothing in common?

Do they still end up as two lonely people?

Or, in another scenario, what if they did hook up but, like many married couples, end up with irreconcilable differences and want a divorce because they can no longer stand to be with each other? How would they co-exist for all these decades if they effectively had a divorce? And if they had children, do each of them have visitation time?

What if they have property they've created on the ship? How do they divide this up without a judge unless they wake someone up? And do they also have to wake up two divorce lawyers for either side?

 

[Teelie]

Where are these deleted scenes? Why were they deleted?

I misremembered. It was in the original screenplay before they changed it.

 

[metaphysician]

Am I reading right that had Jennifer Lawrence's character woke up first instead that it would be okay for her to commit as stated "a form of stalking, rape and murder" against Pratt's character? Where does that come from?

Dark Horizons

Or do they mean to ignore the whole year of Pratt's character being isolated and alone for an entire year nonstop and make him look even more sinister instead of desperate for human contact?

That latter. The idea is that the movie would be more effective if they *acknowledged* that its a horror movie, and structured it as such, rather than trying to turn it into a romance. Because in attempting to humanize Pratt's character, all they did was fill the movie to the brim with rape-apologia.

 

[Teelie]

I still can't see how this was rape. People have taken the word and twisted it into any situation in which a woman is decieved by a man as rape (and yet strangely, when the plot is reversed, there is silence on the matter). He did not force himself on her, drug her, claim to be someone else (which itself is a stretch to call rape IMO) but misled her about waking her early.

How does this constitute rape?

 

[squeekness]

I still can't see how this was rape. People have taken the word and twisted it into any situation in which a woman is decieved by a man as rape (and yet strangely, when the plot is reversed, there is silence on the matter). He did not force himself on her, drug her, claim to be someone else (which itself is a stretch to call rape IMO) but misled her about waking her early.

How does this constitute rape?

It's probably along the lines where a poor man claims to be rich to make himself more appealing. He may not have pounced on the girl, but he did mislead her. Some consider that rape because of false pretenses.

 

[Teelie]

It's lying and deceptive but diluting the impact of what rape is does not sit right with me. It is on par with people who say remakes "rape their childhood."

The dilution of the actual trauma of rape because someone lied to you is too far for me to accept.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

To see rape in this movie is ludicrous. I may offense some people, sorry if I do, but this is typical American crap.
Note: there is also typical crap in my country, my point of view is not holier than thou.

 

[Mysteryman]

To see rape in this movie is ludicrous. I may offense some people, sorry if I do, but this is typical American crap.
Note: there is also typical crap in my country, my point of view is not holier than thou.

He didn't rape her.
But she never would have slept with him if he had told her the truth from the start.

 

[squeekness]

He didn't rape her.
But she never would have slept with him if he had told her the truth from the start.

Well... I've watched true crime shows that have discussed getting laws changed about that, to bag con men who lie big time to snare women that would never have slept with them. They were calling it rape, though I find the word a bit strong.

 

[flickchick85]

Sleeping with someone under false pretenses is an absolutely skeezy thing to do, and a real scum-of-the-earth move...but I wouldn't classify it as "rape," any more than I'd consider dooming someone to a life on this ship "murder." It's an absolutely heinous act and I never did really forgive Pratt's character for doing it, but I just wouldn't label it that way.

 

[squeekness]

Sleeping with someone under false pretenses is an absolutely skeezy thing to do, and a real scum-of-the-earth move...but I wouldn't classify it as "rape," any more than I'd consider dooming someone to a life on this ship "murder." It's an absolutely heinous act and I never did really forgive Pratt's character for doing it, but I just wouldn't label it that way.

They probably need a new word for it because for me rape is an act of violence. When someone uses pretense..it's not the same as what happens to someone who barely survives the event. I'm just not sure what that word should be.

 

[Loki882]

"Rape by deception or coercion" is an actual thing. You don't automatically have to physical force yourself onto someone for it to be a rape. As a criminal justice student, I can confirm. Now granted it's a bit iffy in this case.

But regardless of if it rises to that level, what he did here was still incredibly skeevy and selfish. She'd have never slept with him if she knew the truth from the beginning.

So the movie is still essentially glossing over and even rewarding his bad behavior and selfishness in the end by giving him everything that he wanted/

 

[squeekness]

"Rape by deception or coercion" is an actual thing. You don't automatically have to physical force yourself onto someone for it to be a rape. As a criminal justice student, I can confirm. Now granted it's a bit iffy in this case.

But regardless of if it rises to that level, what he did here was still incredibly skeevy and selfish. She'd have never slept with him if she knew the truth from the beginning.

So the movie is still essentially glossing over and even rewarding his bad behavior and selfishness in the end by giving him everything that he wanted/

Maybe having her punching him was their way of giving him a pass, plus he did risk his life to save them. NOT that that excuses what he did by any means.

 

[Loki882]

It's basically the tamest form of "punishment" possible. If he had died saving the ship, or she had chosen to go back into cryosleep (but forgiving him first) and he had accepted spending the rest of his life alone as penance for his actions, then that'd have at least been something.

 

[C. Lee]

Does his saving a couple thousand lives count for anything?

 

[Loki882]

No, not for this it doesn't. He doesn't to "have" Jennifer Lawrence for that reason when his initial crime was against her specifically. It makes him less of an A-hole, but it still doesn't mean that "oh well, he suddenly gets what he wanted all along, no harm no foul."

 

[TheVileOne]

To see rape in this movie is ludicrous. I may offense some people, sorry if I do, but this is typical American crap.
Note: there is also typical crap in my country, my point of view is not holier than thou.

I don't think you are wrong.

 

[Dark Raven]

"Rape by deception or coercion" is an actual thing. You don't automatically have to physical force yourself onto someone for it to be a rape. As a criminal justice student, I can confirm. Now granted it's a bit iffy in this case.

But regardless of if it rises to that level, what he did here was still incredibly skeevy and selfish. She'd have never slept with him if she knew the truth from the beginning.

So the movie is still essentially glossing over and even rewarding his bad behavior and selfishness in the end by giving him everything that he wanted/

Aren't a lot of romantic comedies like that then? Half of them are built on a plot of someone pretending they're someone or something they're not or on some deception in order to impress the object of their affection and to get the girl or guy to like them. In most cases the other person wouldn't have slept with them or begun a romantic relationship if they knew the truth.

And that is often the tension throughout the film with the protagonist hoping they won't get found out until they do by the end of the 2nd act where they face a crisis which is only resolved by the 3rd act when the guy or girl decides to forgive them and they're effectively rewarded for their selfishness.

So by your definition, aren't all these romcoms actually rape movies?

 

[TheVileOne]

Wouldn't that technically make You've Got Mail such a thing?