Transformers Peter Cullen spills the beans on Prime in Empire interview...

[HHHDan]

Optimus Prime does look great.... as a robot. As a vehicle he makes me want to roll my eyes, throw up, join the Confederate Army, yell Yee-haw, and marry my sister.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhh dude! Thank you!! I haven't laughed this hard in a long time!... Priceless!

 

[Spidey Lover 10]

Well... No: It's not automatically stupid. G1 was great but it all went south after the cartoon movie. Besides, even in the first two seasons: There were characters, plot lines and other things that weren't so great. And then, armada, energon and Cybertron sucked a** (My opinion only: No offense to the fans of those versions), while Beast Wars and Beast Machines were great.

I guess I just do not take a: If it is good, it is automatically GREAT kind of attitude! Plus, while I did get hyped up when I learned they were gonna make the movie, I got a cold shower when I saw the teaser trailer and wondered "how does that fit into the TF story?" and an even colder shower when I learned that it would have nothing to do with the movie. I guess that to me, it becomes akin to false advertising! It's as though someone was trying to get me to go to a movie by showing me the trailer to another movie (!!??!!)



See now... That is another point that rubbed me the wrong way as the movie was developed: Too many humans! For once we had the chance to have a movie that would have been nearly all "alien culture" sort of thing, but now it looks like it's going to be more about the humans, again! There's been 20 billion movies about humans in the history of cinema... Couldn't we change, just for once?

Plus when I read synopsis on the net that hints that it might be Shia Leboeuf's character that may have, in the end, "the fate of the world in his hands"... It screams "Cliché" story to me.

A note on Hugo Weaving: I don't mind his casting. I haven't heard the voice he'll make for Megatron yet, so I'll hold back on the verdict until I do hear it; but my instincts still feel like the leader of the Decepticons, just like the leader of the Autobots, should have had the same voice as in the cartoon (Heck! If Chris Latta was still alive: He'd be the only choice for Starscream in my book!!... And for a future Cobra commander!!!... Such a shame!)



Same old?... Bonecrusher? Demolisher? Blackout? Scorpinok? Brawl? Barricade?... I guess whoever was asking me how long ago I had watched G1 was right 'cause I don't remember these guys in there?

Sarcasm aside, just saying same old but different is a contradiction ("Yes but..." does not mean "Yes": It means "No"). This all goes back to the argument of the looks and the alternate modes being different: Some like it, some don't... I hate it! I don't care if the WV Beetle doesn't look like a good race car: Bumbblebee is a WV Beetle! Not a camero. Besides: he would have been a Beetle only in appearance, not in mechanics; it would have been absolutely acceptable that it would have raced at 300 MPH.



For Bay:

I'm sorry but the guy seems hell bent on ruining classics! He's not only raping my childhood with TF, but now I learn that he is going to ruin one of my favorite Horror franchise: Friday the 13th! He already made a mockery of Amityville and Texas chainsaw Massacre.

Plus: What is it with Bay and remakes????? Add the Hitcher and the Birds to the list and it is as though he can't work on anything that is genuine and brand new!?? Or is it just another sign that he is so arrogant that he thinks he can do better then anyone, that old movies were badly made and the is going to "correct" them?

For Spielberg:

Yes: He is a great director/producer... So? Does that mean his ***** doesn't smell like everybody else's? War of the Worlds was very crappy! Didn't care for Minority Report and A.I. either! I'm not saying he is bad: I'm saying he is not perfect to the point of being "Bad movie proof". And I can't help but get the feeling that, in the same way that he and others like Lucas and Coppola were all a breath of fresh air that pushed away some "old croutons" when they came onto the movie scene, maybe it is time for Spielberg to leave the place to a new generation of movie makers; just not Micheal Bay!

(... I know, I know: The Spielberg lovers are going to crucify me for saying that he should retire... Oh well!)



Intense action? Sure! I have no doubt. But that is the credo of ALL summer movies. As I mentioned before: I want a story first (Action is the cherry on top of the Sunday; the story is the ice cream that holds everything else on top of it!)
Good story?... On what do you base that? I haven't read the story anywhere? I've read people mentioning a "script" running around but, even if I would get a copy of it, I know that allot of movies have multiple scripts made before the movie is made and that the final product often doesn't match most of those scripts (... But if that "optimus is sick and hiding on earth" crap pans out: I'm gonna cry!!). So: I'm holding out judgment on that one; but I am not optimistic from what I've seen so far.
Good portrayal? Well, there we'll have to agree to disagree, as they say. I don't recognize my favorites (Sure, Prime's head looks similar... From the back! After that, I don't recognize anything)
A more human side? I'm all for that! But why then go to such lengths to make the robots look LESS human? The thing that I dislike most of the "hip" debate is that even if there were some few comic relief moments in which Prime was made to look hip in the cartoons, it's not what was so great about the character: His focus, leadership, compassion and ability to balance it all together is what made the character iconic.

In the end, if you think that TF is going to be the biggest thing since LOTR (...?...): Good for you! If you go see it and you still think it: Even better for you! And I am not being sarcastic. I would love to share your enthusiasm and maybe once I see the movie, maybe I'll even like it (Neither of us will know until it is out). But... A word of caution:

The way you feel about TF sounds allot like the way I felt about 300 a few months ago. And while it was still a very good, 9/10 movie... I was expecting it to be an 11/10 movie... and couldn't help but leave the movie theatre somewhat disappointed. So, the ironic thing is that, since you seem to give TF a 15/10 already, without having seeing it: It means that I'm actually more likely to enjoy the movie, in the end, and you are more in a position to come out of it disappointed...!

Faith is a good thing: Until it blinds you!

My responce 2 ur and CFlash's thoughts:

1. I LIKED BEAST WARS, TOO! Glad 2 find some transformers fans here!

2. No, CFlash, that's NOT a joke. Go 2 imdb, look up transformers, and look 4 a character listed as "Sarah Lennox". THAT'S THE DEAD MOM FROM SUPERNATURAL!!!!!

3. If U REALLY wanna know how 2 find the script, go 2 latino Review's website! THEY reviewed the script, and ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!

4. BAY'S COOL, BUT 4 CERTAIN MOVIES, LIKE "THE ROCK" (GOTTA LV SEAN CONNORY'S "I'M PERFECTLY FINE, U F-ING IDIOT" LINES!!!), BAD BOYS, AND ARMAGGEDON. OTHERWISE, he's OK. NOT BAD, OK, DAMNIT!

5. CFLASH, U R A BAY-HATING, PESIMISTIC *****EBAG!

That's all, folks!

 

[CFlash]

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I read the script, Spidey_Lover. It sucked. It was a contrived mess of cliche's and crap that's already been done (and by better filmmakers). I mean come on... the guy that wrote Catwoman wrote the whole thing.

Hopefully, Orci/Kurtzman have completely (and I mean completely) rewritten it since the script was leaked. But, that is unlikely. Based on what we know, they've just added dialogue and touched it up. At its core, it's still the same crap.

And I meant "are you joking" when you said "All Star Cast." I almost fell off my chair laughing. MAYBE John Voight. But, everyone else? You must be joking.

 

[nosebleed.]

spidey lover, how old are you?

 

[Spidey Lover 10]

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I read the script, Spidey_Lover. It sucked. It was a contrived mess of cliche's and crap that's already been done (and by better filmmakers). I mean come on... the guy that wrote Catwoman wrote the whole thing.

Hopefully, Orci/Kurtzman have completely (and I mean completely) rewritten it since the script was leaked. But, that is unlikely. Based on what we know, they've just added dialogue and touched it up. At its core, it's still the same crap.

And I meant "are you joking" when you said "All Star Cast." I almost fell off my chair laughing. MAYBE John Voight. But, everyone else? You must be joking.

NO I'M NOT, U IDDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U R NOW DUBBED A *****EBAG 4 THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U R A MORONINC, BRAINDEAD, IGNORANT *****EBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE U INSULT THIS MOVIE, WHEN IT'S GONNA KICK ASS?!?! HOW?!??!?! IT'S LIKE CALLING J.K. ROWLLING A ****E (WHICH SHE'S NOT!!!!)!!! GUYS, BAN THIS DUMBASS!!!!!!

 

[Spidey Lover 10]

spidey lover, how old are you?

15, why?

 

[CFlash]

<snip HHDan's replies to Spidey_Lover>
For Bay:

I'm sorry but the guy seems hell bent on ruining classics! He's not only raping my childhood with TF, but now I learn that he is going to ruin one of my favorite Horror franchise: Friday the 13th! He already made a mockery of Amityville and Texas chainsaw Massacre.

Plus: What is it with Bay and remakes????? Add the Hitcher and the Birds to the list and it is as though he can't work on anything that is genuine and brand new!?? Or is it just another sign that he is so arrogant that he thinks he can do better then anyone, that old movies were badly made and the is going to "correct" them?

I completely agree. I mean, I thought the Chainsaw remake was passable... but it wasn't great. But, now the guy has built a whole Production Company whose whole goal is turn a quick buck on remakes. It's ridiculous.... Michael Bay has ZERO respect for the art. It's all about $$$.

I mean, if they were remakes that added something or were great on their own (like John Carpenter's The Thing), I would totally love the guy. But, as it stands, the guy is a complete and utter hack.

For Spielberg:

Yes: He is a great director/producer... So? Does that mean his ***** doesn't smell like everybody else's? War of the Worlds was very crappy! Didn't care for Minority Report and A.I. either! I'm not saying he is bad: I'm saying he is not perfect to the point of being "Bad movie proof". And I can't help but get the feeling that, in the same way that he and others like Lucas and Coppola were all a breath of fresh air that pushed away some "old croutons" when they came onto the movie scene, maybe it is time for Spielberg to leave the place to a new generation of movie makers; just not Micheal Bay!

(... I know, I know: The Spielberg lovers are going to crucify me for saying that he should retire... Oh well!)

Whoa, A.I. is one of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time. But, I understand why some people didn't like it. It was a bit... deep. And War of the Worlds wasn't "bad".... it just wasn't as good as it could have been.

And no one who loves movies and has seen MUNICH would say Spielberg deserves to retire. The guy is a genius.

<snip a bunch of other stuff I agree with>

 

[HHHDan]

Spidey:

1- Are you at all able of having a serious, leveled and open discussion with anyone without cap locks and without insulting the person you're adresing?

2- I went to see your latino thing and it's basically on fan discussing what he thinks to be the actual script (Which is doubtful in that allot of the names are wrong to begin with).

Further more, the guy praises it (Giving it the "highest mark" he can) and then defends himself of always liking all the scripts he gets... Doesn't sound like a very impartial reviewer (... You sure it's not you, spidey, that wrote that review?). "Oh my GOD!!! A bad guy on the presidents plane!!!!" Yeah... That sounds like a quote from a guy who's knows his movies... (Somebody got a vomiting icon for me to use?)

Finally, just after reading that the object of the TFs comming to earth is to find "The energon cube [note the use of the singular form]. A supreme power that imbues the transformers with the gift of spark...", shows that, if it is not the author of the review that made the mistake, the writers confused and fused together 2 very different concepts (Energon cubes and sparks), which have nothing to do with each other. And that they've put it in a very cliché movie format: This one object that all transformers want and just by pure conicidence... ... it somehow fell on earth; and it's now our problem (sheesh! An 8 year old can come up with something more fresh then that!)

I still think it's probably an early script he got a hold of and that the movie will most likely be different and, even if it is not, it's actually quite funny to read a guy who gets all bent out of shape by a car chase... on paper! (... Communism, the Munich Dictate and using the Parthenon as an ammunition dump also seemed good on paper... )

 

[nosebleed.]

15, why?

Because with all your ranting, screaming and name calling you are making it seem like "Spidey Lover 10" means you are 10 years old. Calm down, there are ways to express your optimism for this movie without spazzing out when people have a different opinion than you.

 

[Dr Lee]

NO I'M NOT, U IDDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U R NOW DUBBED A *****EBAG 4 THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U R A MORONINC, BRAINDEAD, IGNORANT *****EBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............GUYS, BAN THIS DUMBASS!!!!!!

I call that a personal attack on CFlash... so i've reported it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

everyone settle down and learn what an opinion is.

 

[Spidey Lover 10]

Spidey:

1- Are you at all able of having a serious, leveled and open discussion with anyone without cap locks and without insulting the person you're adresing?

2- I went to see your latino thing and it's basically on fan discussing what he thinks to be the actual script (Which is doubtful in that allot of the names are wrong to begin with).

Further more, the guy praises it (Giving it the "highest mark" he can) and then defends himself of always liking all the scripts he gets... Doesn't sound like a very impartial reviewer (... You sure it's not you, spidey, that wrote that review?). "Oh my GOD!!! A bad guy on the presidents plane!!!!" Yeah... That sounds like a quote from a guy who's knows his movies... (Somebody got a vomiting icon for me to use?)

Finally, just after reading that the object of the TFs comming to earth is to find "The energon cube [note the use of the singular form]. A supreme power that imbues the transformers with the gift of spark...", shows that, if it is not the author of the review that made the mistake, the writers confused and fused together 2 very different concepts (Energon cubes and sparks), which have nothing to do with each other. And that they've put it in a very cliché movie format: This one object that all transformers want and just by pure conicidence... ... it somehow fell on earth; and it's now our problem (sheesh! An 8 year old can come up with something more fresh then that!)

I still think it's probably an early script he got a hold of and that the movie will most likely be different and, even if it is not, it's actually quite funny to read a guy who gets all bent out of shape by a car chase... on paper! (... Communism, the Munich Dictate and using the Parthenon as an ammunition dump also seemed good on paper... )

i didn't write that.......

 

[Modernize73]

1) Gobot Renegades were often "monsterous" looking... this set them apart from the good guys. But, TF Decepticons looked exactly like the Autobot good guys did- mean stares notwithstanding. In this movie, the Decepticons are "monsters." Just like the Gobot bad guys.

2) The core of the Gobots plot was the quest to find "The Creator" (The Last Engineer) who can create new robots. The core of the TF plot was to find food. Plain and simple-- TF was about finding food to feed themselves (it so happens that they enjoyed the fossil fuels and other resources found on Earth). In this movie, the plot is to find "The Creator"... just like Gobots.

There's a lot more. But, those two are the biggies.

Kinda screws anyone from making a gobots movie eh? Maybe if we're lucky someone will make a movie about boxy robots that come to earth to rape it of it's resources...lol

 

[gkokujin]

spidey lover, how old are you?

LOL, that question NAILS them everytime... t:

 

[Spade]

Wow...reading the last page of this topic made my IQ take a downtake. When in doubt, make ban-worthy comments about other people.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

NO I'M NOT, U IDDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U R NOW DUBBED A *****EBAG 4 THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U R A MORONINC, BRAINDEAD, IGNORANT *****EBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE U INSULT THIS MOVIE, WHEN IT'S GONNA KICK ASS?!?! HOW?!??!?! IT'S LIKE CALLING J.K. ROWLLING A ****E (WHICH SHE'S NOT!!!!)!!! GUYS, BAN THIS DUMBASS!!!!!!

So are you gonna stomp the floor and throw things too?

 

[Spidey Lover 10]

So are you gonna stomp the floor and throw things too?

no i won't

 

[jignat]

whatever he says in the movie, couldnt be worse/cheesier than:

"As the earthlings say, Fat chance, Fathead!"

"A booby trap that actually catches boobies"

 

[Golgo-13]

whatever he says in the movie, couldnt be worse/cheesier than:

"As the earthlings say, Fat chance, Fathead!"

"A booby trap that actually catches boobies"

*shudders as i walk down memory lane*

 

[ShadowBoxing]

whatever he says in the movie, couldnt be worse/cheesier than:

"As the earthlings say, Fat chance, Fathead!"

"A booby trap that actually catches boobies"

The second one is actually one of my favorite Prime lines ever.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

3. If U REALLY wanna know how 2 find the script, go 2 latino Review's website! THEY reviewed the script, and ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Latino review love EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that crosses their doorstep for some reason. The whole site reads like a Univision television game show is doing the reviews. They loved the G.I.Joe script, which is abomidable beyond all description. They loved a Wolverine script that apparently started out with a geeky Logan getting picked on by the football team and popping his claws and killing them. They even loved Catwoman for christ sake.

 

[Golgo-13]

Yeah, LatinoReview are a bunch of ****es for the movie industry.

 

[CFlash]

Latino review love EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that crosses their doorstep for some reason. The whole site reads like a Univision television game show is doing the reviews. They loved the G.I.Joe script, which is abomidable beyond all description. They loved a Wolverine script that apparently started out with a geeky Logan getting picked on by the football team and popping his claws and killing them. They even loved Catwoman for christ sake.

There's a G.I. Joe script??? Oh man, there's so many ways to go wrong with G.I. Joe. Is Don Murphy involved.... god, I hope not.

That's one property where the comic book writers have to definately be consulted. The G.I. Joe comic was superb.