Please explain the 'need' for BR-DVD in gaming.

[Mentok]

Ok, I just dont get the bull**** on this one.

In one hand you have Ken and Kaz saying that BR-DVD is needed for PS3 games because DVD9 is simply too small. Fair enough, However...

We have other SONY people saying that Digital Distribution will be in full effect for PS3 with full games being available for download off the network.

Here are the problems with that...

1- File size... SONY claim that the huge file sizes (over 20gb) are needed.
2- How the hell are you going to get more than one or two games on the PS3 hdd (depending on which version you get).

It seems a simple method of actaually doing the work and shrinking down the games (for DD release) down to a reasonable size of a few gb. This however raises huge problems...

1- It totally destroys all of SONYS claims that both the huge capacity of BR-DVD is needed and that DVD-9 is simply too small for next gen gaming.

So what is the deal... How are SONY going to explain this one to us?

 

[SouLeSS]

They're going to pull bunnies out of a hat, and hope everyone forgets it.

 

[Havok83]

where did you hear that full games will be available for download? Did it mention what type of games? Im not aware as I havent heard of this before. Could it be that what you read was taken out of context? It could be something like Xbox Live Arcade or the Wii's virtual console which has full game downloads but of past games. I highly doubt they meant actual PS3 games will be available for download. Not only for space reasons, but speed as well

I think BRD will be needed. Maybe not so much now. First year PS2 games came out on CDs just like the PS1 but gradually you saw more and more being released on DVD bc of the increased space and now some games are even released in multiple DVD sets. I think most PS3 games can that will be released within the year will easily be able to fit on DVD-9 but not so much further down the line. I see X-360 games taking up about 7gb in space and this is early in the system's life. 9gb wont be enough to hold games in the future and BRD is most likely a better choice for Sony. Especially since they are really pushing this high-def angle, that will increase disc space even more. They arent looking so much on now, but further down the road.

 

[Avalanche]

Blah blah blah.

We don't need Blu-Ray. Sony needs Blu-Ray.

We all know this, so why a thread for b*itching about it?

 

[Revolver_Ocelot]

I don't even want PS3 at this point. But MGS4 is being held over my head.
So I'll have to buy it anyway.

 

[Mentok]

where did you hear that full games will be available for download? Did it mention what type of games? Im not aware as I havent heard of this before. Could it be that what you read was taken out of context? It could be something like Xbox Live Arcade or the Wii's virtual console which has full game downloads but of past games. I highly doubt they meant actual PS3 games will be available for download. Not only for space reasons, but speed as well

I think BRD will be needed. Maybe not so much now. First year PS2 games came out on CDs just like the PS1 but gradually you saw more and more being released on DVD bc of the increased space and now some games are even released in multiple DVD sets. I think most PS3 games can that will be released within the year will easily be able to fit on DVD-9 but not so much further down the line. I see X-360 games taking up about 7gb in space and this is early in the system's life. 9gb wont be enough to hold games in the future and BRD is most likely a better choice for Sony. Especially since they are really pushing this high-def angle, that will increase disc space even more. They arent looking so much on now, but further down the road.

No. SONY have made it clear that FULL GAMES will be available for download over the PS3 Network Platform.

 

[Mentok]

Blah blah blah.

We don't need Blu-Ray. Sony needs Blu-Ray.

We all know this, so why a thread for b*itching about it?

WOW, you totally ignoring something against SONY... What a shock

Its not a *****ing thread. I have a question and I was looking from an answer from the people who supposedly think SONY are doing everything perfectly.

Sorry it was too much for you

 

[Avalanche]

Its not a *****ing thread.

It blatently is.

I have a question and I was looking from an answer from the people who supposedly think SONY are doing everything perfectly.

No one thinks Sony are doing things perfectly. I don't think we need Blu-Ray either, but you know why they're including it. This thread is nothing more than an attempt to stir up a b*itching fest.

 

[Zordon]

It's not needed. Sony fanboys will whine and ***** about this, even going so far as to accuse others of stirring up a ***** fest when they attempt to discuss it, because so much of their bs relies on it actually being needed (Blu-ray = bigger games, next gen games need blu-ray so only ps3 will deliver next gen games, $600 is justified, etc), but no, it's not needed. And you don't even need to look at Sony's digital distribution plans (which will never take off) to see it. You simply need a basic knowledge of lossless compression, and a basic knowledge of how big games really are.

 

[Avalanche]

Sony fanboys will whine and ***** about this, even going so far as to accuse others of stirring up a ***** fest when they attempt to discuss it...

If you'd bothered to understand by post, I agreed that Blu-Ray isn't need.

Sheesh you're dense.

 

[Zordon]

Which misses the point of "they don't want you discussing it", which was your post. Sheesh you're dense. Come back when you know what's going on in the discussions you try to participate in

 

[Avalanche]

^

It's not something that needs discussion, namely because it's already been discussed to death, and we all know why Blu-Ray is included in the PS3. We all know there are some who will defend Blu-Ray to the death, and they'll shortly become riled up. That is the true purpose of this thread.

 

[Zordon]

Or, (sit down, this may shock you), the thread may be for......





(get ready for it, here it comes)



Asking a question (hence the question being used for the threads title, see the connection there) and having people respond with an answer, and discussing those. Shocking, I know, someone starting a thread to discuss something. But you're probably right, Mentok probably just wanted to stir the pot. Good thing the SDF showed up to try and shut it down though, god only knows what would happen if discussion were allowed on a forum

 

[Avalanche]

You wouldn't know a discussion if it came and bit you on the ass. Your view of a discussion is 'I'm always right'. That's no discussion at all.

 

[Zordon]

Actually, my idea of a discussion, here at least, is me being right and people like yourself whining and *****ing that I won't just roll over and pretend that you're right even when the facts clearly disagree with you

 

[Mentok]

It blatently is.

Yeah, because anything that isnt a ass rape of joy towards SONY is a *****ing thread.

Point out where I have *****ed about this issue then.

Its valid. I have some issues that I wanted resolved. Sorry that it upset you and your delicate world view.

 

[Mentok]

^

It's not something that needs discussion, namely because it's already been discussed to death, and we all know why Blu-Ray is included in the PS3.

It dosent need discussion? WTF?! You cant be serious. If talk scares you and your opinion on something then dont reply to the thread. Its has clearly not been discussed to death since I have issues still standing.

We all know why BR-DVD is included? The only reason I see is that SONY want to force a format onto people and profit from that.

We all know there are some who will defend Blu-Ray to the death, and they'll shortly become riled up. That is the true purpose of this thread.

****ing bull****. Once again you are scared ****less because of someone questioning SONY. Just **** off from the thread and let the people who want to discuss it do so.

The 'TRUE PURPOSE' of the thread was to get some of my VALID QUESTIONS answered. Something you have made no attemp at doing

 

[Avalanche]

We all know why BR-DVD is included? The only reason I see is that SONY want to force a format onto people and profit from that.

Which is the only reason. There we go. Case closed.

****ing bull****. Once again you are scared ****less because of someone questioning SONY. Just **** off from the thread and let the people who want to discuss it do so.

I'm not 'scared' that someone is questioning Sony. I agree Sony is including Blu-Ray for the wrong purposes. If you'd bothered to see my point rather than just label me a rabid fanboy you'd see that.

And watch the language. It's really not needed.

 

[Axid]

****ing corndogs **** **** balloons ****** air conditioning *****face schoolbus **** ****ing **** .

 

[Zenien]

The only real adavantages to BR for gaming would be massive data replication to reduce seek times, and generally the ability to store more individual data on the disc, Resistance is using compression and over 20 gigs. While only about 1 gig of which is used for their sound samples. SO it's clear that they're using the sapce in some way shape or form, since they are still using compression.

And of course HD video content and so on.

There's no 'need', but there are some benifits.

 

[MrHateYourself]

What was the "need" for DVD over CD? It's convienance and the furthering of technology.

But the whole full download thing....I don't see that going over ANY time soon. Not while it still takes days, or even mere hours, to download gigs of data. People simply aren't that patient.

 

[Mentok]

The only real adavantages to BR for gaming would be massive data replication to reduce seek times, and generally the ability to store more individual data on the disc, Resistance is using compression and over 20 gigs. While only about 1 gig of which is used for their sound samples. SO it's clear that they're using the sapce in some way shape or form, since they are still using compression.

And of course HD video content and so on.

There's no 'need', but there are some benifits.

Thanks for taking the time to address my questions Zen.

 

[StorminNorman]

Ok, I just dont get the bull**** on this one.

In one hand you have Ken and Kaz saying that BR-DVD is needed for PS3 games because DVD9 is simply too small. Fair enough, However...

We have other SONY people saying that Digital Distribution will be in full effect for PS3 with full games being available for download off the network.

Here are the problems with that...

1- File size... SONY claim that the huge file sizes (over 20gb) are needed.
2- How the hell are you going to get more than one or two games on the PS3 hdd (depending on which version you get).

It seems a simple method of actaually doing the work and shrinking down the games (for DD release) down to a reasonable size of a few gb. This however raises huge problems...

1- It totally destroys all of SONYS claims that both the huge capacity of BR-DVD is needed and that DVD-9 is simply too small for next gen gaming.

So what is the deal... How are SONY going to explain this one to us?

Resistance Fall of Man is more than 20 gb, and its a lauch title. I think that alone justifies the larger disk.

Now as far as downloading PS3 game directly onto the PS3 HD - that won't be a smart move - unless you super upgrade it (which I am sure people will). However 20 gb and 60 gb harddrives should be more than enough for saved content.

 

[Zenien]

A 'Full game' can come in many different shapes sizes and forms. When they're saying full games will be in full effect for PS3, they aren't necessarilly talking about Resistance style monsters. Arcade games are full games, PS1 games are full games, etc. A full game can still be made within the 'confines' of not having the space of BR, obviously.