'Power' move by male students ruffles U. of C.

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www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-u-of-c-mens-groupmay19,0,4707353.story

By Sara Olkon

Tribune reporter

11:34 PM CDT, May 27, 2009

A group of University of Chicago students think it's time the campus focused more on its men.

A third-year student from Lake Bluff has formed Men in Power, a student organization that promises to help men get ahead professionally. But the group's emergence has been controversial, with some critics charging that its premise is misogynistic.

Others say it's about time men are championed, noting that recent job losses hit men harder and that women earn far more bachelor's and master's degrees than do men.

"It's an enormous disparity now," said Warren Farrell, author of "The Myth of Male Power" and former board member of the New York chapter of the National Organization for Women. He noted, among other things, an imbalance in government and private initiatives that advance the interests of women and girls.

Further, Farrell said, just because some men are doing well is hardly a reason not to applaud efforts to boost the careers of other men.

"It's like saying 'is it OK for the Yankees to keep recruiting new players because the Chicago Cubs have not won as often?' "

Steve Saltarelli, the president of Men in Power, wrote a satirical column in March in which he suggested forming such a group. "Anyone with an interest in both studying and learning from men in powerful positions, as well as issues involved with reverse sexism, may become a member of MiP," he wrote.

Shortly after the column ran, Saltarelli started getting e-mail messages from men eager to join.

"Mainly people are just excited about the idea that men can have a group as well," Saltarelli explained.

Sharlene Holly, associate dean of students and the director of student activities, said the University of Chicago has approximately nine women's advocacy groups on campus; this group would be the first male advocacy group.

Saltarelli said some 125 students -- including a few women -- have joined the group via its Facebook page. He said the group would host pre-professional groups in law, medicine and business, foster ties with alumni, bring in speakers to discuss masculinity and mentor local middle school students as part of its "Little Men in Power" program.

Holly said she expected to approve the organization's application this week. As a registered student organization, Men in Power could then apply for event funding. The group plans to hold its first event, a student panel discussion titled "Gender and Media: Trespassing the Taboo," on June 2.

Saltarelli, who plans to attend law school, said the emergence of Men in Power has angered some students, especially "people very set in their ways."

To be sure, its title attracts attention.

"The name implies some things that I don't love," said Liz Scoggin, a third-year student who joined the group a couple of weeks ago and now heads its outreach efforts. "I feel like it implies there aren't enough men in power or that kind of thing."

But Scoggin, who is close friends with Saltarelli, said she joined after learning more about the group's aims and after she felt assured that the organization would not pursue a sexist agenda.

Jessica Pan, president of Women in Business and a fourth-year student, questioned whether Men in Power's goals were being met by existing student groups.

"I'm not sure we really need another student organization that focuses on pre-professional development for men," Pan said, noting that, in just the area of business, there were five or six students groups that were gender-neutral.

Similarly, Ali Feenstra, a third-year student and a member of the Feminist Majority, questioned Men in Power's utility.

"It's like starting 'white men in business' -- there's not really any purpose," she said.

Fred Hayward, founder of Men's Rights Inc., would disagree.

Hayward, who is based in Sacramento, Calif., started his men's group in 1977. Then and now, he said, women have not paid enough attention to what it means to be a man in modern society.

Hayward said one of the biggest myths borne of the women's movement was that men like to help each other out.

"We are competing directly for access to women and jobs," he said.

The group's birth comes at a time when the recessionary ax has fallen especially hard on men. In April, the national unemployment rate for men was 10 percent compared with 7.6 percent for women, said Mark Perry, an economist at the University of Michigan in Flint.

That gap is an "all-time historical high," said Perry, who attributed it in part to a loss of jobs in male-dominated fields such as manufacturing and construction.

At the same time, he noted, women today hold about three out of the four jobs in education and health care -- both stable or expanding job fields.

Future employment is also an issue, some experts say. Since 1981, women have collected 135 for every 100 bachelor's degrees awarded to men, according to Perry. The gap is even wider at the master's level, with women trumping men 150 to 100, he said.

Saltarelli hopes Men in Power will help more men get ahead while raising awareness of the male experience.

"If we have good men in our society, everyone benefits," he said.
 
If women can have a similar group, why can't men?
 
I thought "men support groups" were at the bar, watching the game
 
This is ******ed. Next thing we know we'll be hearing about "Straight Pride" rallies :rolleyes:
 
As ridiculous as I find any of these kind of groups to be; this is the land of equality and if it's ok for one group to form, you shouldn't ***** about another. And if this had been anything else but a group of men(probably mostly white) this wouldn't be an issue at all, proving a degree of discrimination.
 
Nothing wrong with being straight & proud.
 
This is ******ed. Next thing we know we'll be hearing about "Straight Pride" rallies :rolleyes:

What's wrong with being proud of my love of vag? It's a good pure love that doesn't discriminate. In a perfect world all love would work like this.
 
I don't understand how White Men are refused any sort of champion for the cause organization when there are so many non-white non-male groups of that nature. I vote :up: to this group.
 
As sexist as I am, this is kind of dumb. Men have the power anyway. This is like having a straight guys alliance or white mens alliance (no kkk). Really no point, the world itself is a MiP org.

Saying that, go MiP.
 
I laughed at the part where it says that job losses have hit men harder than women. Durr, that's because more men had great-paying jobs than women in the first place. Women may have "come up in the world," but men still hold the power, for sure.
 
but on college campuses and universities, the disparity between male and female students is quite alarming...I think it's good that male students have something like that
 
I laughed at the part where it says that job losses have hit men harder than women. Durr, that's because more men had great-paying jobs than women in the first place.

And because if a women gets fired, she sues for sexual harassment.
 
I laughed at the part where it says that job losses have hit men harder than women. Durr, that's because more men had great-paying jobs than women in the first place. Women may have "come up in the world," but men still hold the power, for sure.

Unless there's a miniskirt or boobs involved, then you people just let us think we have the power as we do every single thing you want like go see sex in the city the movie even though if it wasn't for you trecherous females I wouldn't enter that theatre if you stapled my balls to a cannonball and fired it into the theatre. Yeah, we have the power.

You know what, I'm gonna go further and say you females know you have the power but keep us thinking we do and actually *****ing about it so we don't catch on to what's really happening. You devious double XX's.
 
I guess I'm one of the few guys that don't give a damn about other guys since I'm more interested in my own thing.
 
Unless there's a miniskirt or boobs involved, then you people just let us think we have the power as we do every single thing you want like go see sex in the city the movie even though if it wasn't for you trecherous females I wouldn't enter that theatre if you stapled my balls to a cannonball and fired it into the theatre. Yeah, we have the power.

You know what, I'm gonna go further and say you females know you have the power but keep us thinking we do and actually *****ing about it so we don't catch on to what's really happening. You devious double XX's.

No one can MAKE you do something you don't want to do. Sounds like you've just revoked your man-card :o
 
I'm indifferent to this. I'm not sure what the problem is really with guys wanting their own job club.

And I was under the impression that men have been hit harder than women in this recession because so many manufacturing jobs have been cut and men are more likely to work in those jobs than women.
 
also, those positions where you would negotiate for pay....companies bet on that most women won't negotiate as hard as men would....
 
No one can MAKE you do something you don't want to do. Sounds like you've just revoked your man-card :o

People do it all the time, they're typically called cops, or lawyers, or judges, and the occasional bartender that doesn't think lighting things on fire is funny for some stupid reason. And don't get me started on my time in the service or the **** I put up with at work.

That said a pretty smile and an nice pair of eyes... it doesn't necessarily make you do something just makes you not think with your head.

I notice though you didn't deny what I said, just took a shot, further proving my theory you all are really in power and just let us think otherwise. Clever distraction.
 
Whoa there chief, I figured you HAD to be joking :huh: You're still joking...right? :csad:

As for the original topic, I really am ambivalent.
 
Whoa there chief, I figured you HAD to be joking :huh:

I was/am, just continuing running with the thing....

What I said before, I was exaggerating. I know exactly why bartenders don't think me lighting fires in their bars are funny.
 
I need to start keeping a list of who can take a joke. The crazies in this place who actually get offended have made me paranoid :csad:
 
I need to start keeping a list of who can take a joke. The crazies in this place who actually get offended have made me paranoid :csad:

Everything I ever say is a joke and I'm typically high and/or drunk which adds to the effect.
 

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