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At the link, you can find this blog entry on Marvel.com showing some scans, without dialogue, from the upcoming issue #581 where we get the explanation for how Harry Osborn came back to life. Also, there's this interesting tidbit that's revealed about Harry's resurrection:

So it’s Spring of ’07 and I’ve just had two pretty above average interviews with Steve Wacker, Tom Brevoort and Joe Quesada about becoming an Assistant Editor at Marvel. Still, I’m a pretty pessimistic guy and assumed they’d just invited me back out of kindness. But then again, I'm pretty confident they've hired me, put me to work and paid me for a year and a half out of kindness. When I was called and offered the job, I was obviously pretty excited, but also a bit conflicted, as another opportunity that was equally exciting had availed itself. It was a tough call—both jobs had the same number of pros and cons. But I realized this other opportunity was something I could always come back to, while the door at Marvel might not re-open.

After keeping Marvel’s HR department on hold during the solid 30 seconds of deliberation (while balancing two giant packages in a leaky doorway in the midst of a rainstorm, no less), I accepted and returned home to an email from my new boss, Mr. Stephen G. Wacker, welcoming me to the team with an MP3 of the “Merry Marvel Marching Society” theme and, perhaps more daunting, Tom Brevoort’s now-publicized “Spider-Manifesto.” It brings me to my second “What Have I Learned This Year?” lesson: Be thankful for what you don’t know yet.

As I read over the document to help get myself up to speed on the work I’d been doing, a thought occurred to me: “I can never talk to my friends who read comic books again.” Remember, this was at the tail end of CIVIL WAR. Imagine if you’d have known months before anyone else did how "Back-In-Black" and "One More Day" ended and how "Brand New Day" began—I felt like I’d read a National Security report. But I remember wondering what many of you have wondered (sometimes in profanity laced e-mails)—how did Harry Osborn come back to life?

The answer wasn’t in the manifesto, and it wasn’t in any of the scripts I was handed to get myself up to speed. To be honest, the Braintrust wasn’t sure yet. But they did know they had to address it, they were simply going to wait until they had a story that made the most sense and that you guys deserved. That’s what made some of the early anger about "Brand New Day" so funny to me—most of the complaints were over story points we simply hadn’t revealed yet. But yeah, in some cases we weren’t sure. But that didn’t mean we weren’t working on it.

Liz Allan, Normie and the events of SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #200 were all factored into the plans—we just simply hadn’t found the right story yet and didn’t want to rush such important information out. And then Dan Slott found it—the perfect way to not only bring Harry back but to explain quite a few of the changes between our current Spidey run and the JMS stuff. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #581 (which we’re pushing out the door in a short holiday week here at Spidey Sentral) is part one of a two-part Slott/McKone gem that bridges the gap, and it’s Peter Parker who asks the question we’ve all been wondering—how did Harry Osborn come back from the dead? We’ll get some answers, but you’re going to have to wait till next month to see ‘em. In the meantime, enjoy some art!

Working on this comic got me thinking about story telling in the age of internet spoilers and excessive need-to-knows. I’m as big a user of spoiler sites as anyone, but being on this side of the comic fence has reminded me how much I love the job designated to a reader—one of discovering the story for yourself. Most fans of my generation grew up after a lot of the seminal Spider-Man moments. I can appreciate the death of Gwen Stacy, but I know the story from the back of a trading card. I can’t appreciate the magnitude of that moment on the same level of older readers because to me, she’s a relic of the past, not someone I watched grow and evolve. I wish I’d have been able to feel the shock readers felt when they turned the page and saw Gwen Stacy die. Part of the fun of being in the seat I’m in now is that these stories can’t help but be new to me—I’m one of the first eyes to see ‘em after the writer finishes. I get the unfiltered shock of turning the page and it excites me. I can appreciate the frustration of some folks in the readership that the secrets are revealed 11 months later, but for myself, I’d much rather discover the answers page by page than read a brief summary with “the answers.” That’s drama. That’s excitement. It takes patience and it takes time, but it’s wroth the wait. We’ve been planning his out for a while and we want to make sure it’s the best story it can be.

Change is tough, as I’ve learned in abundance this year. So for the segment of readership that still isn’t entirely on board with this new status quo, we hear you. We’ve had you in mind from the beginning, and we’re trying to make the kind of stories that will satisfy your curiosity. We’re simply taking the time and effort to get the stories right. Be thankful for what you don’t know, it makes discovering it all the more exciting.

http://marvel.com/blogs/Spider-Office/entry/1343.What_have_I_learned_this_year,_part_two:__Being_
 
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and it’s Peter Parker who asks the question we’ve all been wondering—how did Harry Osborn come back from the dead? We’ll get some answers, but you’re going to have to wait till next month to see ‘em. In the meantime, enjoy some art!

My first thought was: Why would it take so long for Peter, or anyone, to ask that question? I mean, if a friend of yours suddenly returned from the dead, the first thing you wanted to know was how the hell that happened. But stuff like this is typical when you're writing plot-driven stories and not character-driven stories; they never act like real people should, they're just puppets for the writers.
 
So it appears I was right about The Brain trust.
They just want to write on the flagship title. They don't care about the status quo and some of them don't even care about continuity. They just want to try to tell good Spidey stories.

One thing I also suspected but dismissed was the theory that they were thrown in to clean a mess they didn't make.

The answer wasn’t in the manifesto, and it wasn’t in any of the scripts I was handed to get myself up to speed. To be honest, the Braintrust wasn’t sure yet. But they did know they had to address it, they were simply going to wait until they had a story that made the most sense and that you guys deserved. That’s what made some of the early anger about "Brand New Day" so funny to me—most of the complaints were over story points we simply hadn’t revealed yet. But yeah, in some cases we weren’t sure. But that didn’t mean we weren’t working on it.

Still, it doesn't clear them. They should have addressed the fact that Harry is back. (Using Peter.)
How hard is it to use a thought bubble to push a story forward these days?
At this point I'm starting to wonder how much Peter Parker knows in this title. That's not a good thing. This is the first time I've ever felt that way in any run.

In any case thanks for this article Stillanerd.
 
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aww come on now. You're not going to post the rest of the writing?

Working on this comic got me thinking about story telling in the age of internet spoilers and excessive need-to-knows. I’m as big a user of spoiler sites as anyone, but being on this side of the comic fence has reminded me how much I love the job designated to a reader—one of discovering the story for yourself. Most fans of my generation grew up after a lot of the seminal Spider-Man moments. I can appreciate the death of Gwen Stacy, but I know the story from the back of a trading card. I can’t appreciate the magnitude of that moment on the same level of older readers because to me, she’s a relic of the past, not someone I watched grow and evolve. I wish I’d have been able to feel the shock readers felt when they turned the page and saw Gwen Stacy die. Part of the fun of being in the seat I’m in now is that these stories can’t help but be new to me—I’m one of the first eyes to see ‘em after the writer finishes. I get the unfiltered shock of turning the page and it excites me. I can appreciate the frustration of some folks in the readership that the secrets are revealed 11 months later, but for myself, I’d much rather discover the answers page by page than read a brief summary with “the answers.” That’s drama. That’s excitement. It takes patience and it takes time, but it’s wroth the wait. We’ve been planning his out for a while and we want to make sure it’s the best story it can be.

Change is tough, as I’ve learned in abundance this year. So for the segment of readership that still isn’t entirely on board with this new status quo, we hear you. We’ve had you in mind from the beginning, and we’re trying to make the kind of stories that will satisfy your curiosity. We’re simply taking the time and effort to get the stories right. Be thankful for what you don’t know, it makes discovering it all the more exciting.
 
aww come on now. You're not going to post the rest of the writing?

I agree. Stillanerd, you're cherry-picking or bolding the quotes that make him look bad, while omitting the parts that make him look good or the subsequent explanations for why they waited (they wanted to do it right). At least present both sides of the story.
 
And when you add to the fact that the stories will all work within continuity, then that makes it all even better for me... because I like to keep the continuity on track... something that Marvel had forgotten about Spider-Man (and most of it's characters) during the late 90's and this decade...

And StyleShift... how do you get "the Braintrust doesn't care about continuity" from all that?

:huh: :huh: :huh:
 
Both sides here can hear what they want really.

Obviously, they've not had a plan on anything witht his reboot...Jackpot, Harry...everyone that likes kept claiming all along they MUST and DO...despite evidence to the contrary, always sticking up for this drivel.

This is what it is...a last minute thrown together reboot....figuring it out as they go, and battling retailer and customer anger over this devisive reboot.

Joe wrote a "heartwarming" Pete and the Devil story. The entire world is brain damaged thaks to the devil. Aunt MAy owes her life to the devil. Harry owes his life to the devil. The marriage never happened, thanks to the devil. COntintuity has changed and the timeline has changed, thaks to teh devil.

Now everyone is left with a broom to try to clean it up, and make it logically make sense...continuity wise and character wise...which it NEVER will.

Keep waiting they say. (as they try to make sense of it themselves, while the fans of the reboot keep typing how they (marvel) knows where they're going...and retailers and (many) customers keep complaining about a "fix" they didn't want to their product.)

Jackpot??

Harry??

How many more interviews from marvel admitting their lack of direction, characterizing their fans based on gay issues, admitting huge backlash from retailers (and not internet savy customers-they are ignored according to marvel)....will it take, whether you like it or not, that the reboot is ill-logical, not character driven, and is/was a forced agenda with no real destination fromt he beginning but for Joe, after countless blurbs and interviews, stating HIS PERSONAL disdain for the marriage.

AT what price, and how far, are they willing to go to FORCE MJ and Pete apart??

We've already seen a lot, if you open your eyes and look at things objectively.

How much farther will they go to force Joe's hand? To be continued with more articles/comments from THEM....
 
Obviously, they've not had a plan on anything witht his reboot...Jackpot, Harry...everyone that likes kept claiming all along they MUST and DO...despite evidence to the contrary, always sticking up for this drivel.

This article specifies that they did not have a plan to address Harry's return...

Show me where it states that they DID NOT HAVE A PLAN on ANYTHING?

If you're going to make such comments, provide links please...

:yay:
 
i've been kind of suspecting that the death and return of harry is going to be similarly the same as the death and return of norman. Norman pays corroner to fake an autopsy to protect the family name ( hide the goblin formula) and harry will come back thanks to the goblin formula but "goes to rehab in europe" or something stupid :(
 
And StyleShift... how do you get "the Braintrust doesn't care about continuity" from all that?

:huh: :huh: :huh:

Mainly from Bob Gale's comments about continuity and nerds in an past interview.
I didn't get anything about continuity from that blog. If anything I got that they are trying to make it work. As with everything else in this Brand New Day.

(Quick Question: Is Bob Gale finally gone from the line up?)

I just meant, writing Spidey is more important to them than anything. Even if JMS had completely destroyed continuity with his original script for One More Day. We would have still seen them on the book doing the same exact thing.

Obviously, they've not had a plan on anything witht his reboot...Jackpot, Harry...everyone that likes kept claiming all along they MUST and DO...despite evidence to the contrary, always sticking up for this drivel.

Originally posted by Farmernudie: This is what it is...a last minute thrown together reboot....figuring it out as they go, and battling retailer and customer anger over this devisive reboot.

VERY well said. :up:

I feel that they had concepts but not the complete stories worked out.
 
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I agree. Stillanerd, you're cherry-picking or bolding the quotes that make him look bad, while omitting the parts that make him look good or the subsequent explanations for why they waited (they wanted to do it right). At least present both sides of the story.

In his defense I don't feel as if he were cherry picking.
The guy just basically retreaded what Stillanerd posted. Only more graciously in an attempt to regain some lost readers like myself.

I appreciate that from a person that works at Marvel, but at the same time it points out desperation to me. What happened to all the snide remarks? All the confidence that the book wouldn't drop below 80k?

I can appreciate the frustration of some folks in the readership that the secrets are revealed 11 months later, but for myself, I’d much rather discover the answers page by page than read a brief summary with “the answers.” That’s drama. That’s excitement. It takes patience and it takes time, but it’s wroth the wait. We’ve been planning his out for a while and we want to make sure it’s the best story it can be.

That's what they've been doing the whole time!
They have not been dropping good clues what so ever. They wait 11 months to give a summary about what ever topic we know nothing about.
Discovering the answers page by page would mean they have dropped clues about the plot at hand while building to a final confrontation. That isn't their strong point....but I don't blame them. I blame the creative team constantly shifting.
 
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aww come on now. You're not going to post the rest of the writing?

I agree. Stillanerd, you're cherry-picking or bolding the quotes that make him look bad, while omitting the parts that make him look good or the subsequent explanations for why they waited (they wanted to do it right). At least present both sides of the story.

Fair enough. Although I figured that, having posted a section of it which I figured would get people's attention they could follow the link and read the rest of it. Nevertheless, for the sake of full disclosure and fairness, I'll post those parts in the original post.

Also, I can appreciate telling the fans to not be so impatient and that the answers to their questions will be coming. But when you say that even the people who came up with the idea that Harry is back didn't know beforehand how he came back, you risk cheating the readers in some respect because the readers expect the person creating the story to know the answers to whatever mysteries you set up beforehand. After all for those of you who are also Batman fans, Judd Winnick pretty gave the "wait and see" line when he said that it didn't matter how Jason Todd was back from the dead but rather that he was back. Well, yes, it was because readers expect some kind of logic within one's stories no matter how fantastic they are. And of course, the answer he came up with was the "Superboy Prime Retcon Punch!"
 
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TMOB: This article specifies that they did not have a plan to address Harry's return...

Show me where it states that they DID NOT HAVE A PLAN on ANYTHING?

If you're going to make such comments, provide links please...

:yay:

This article didn't say that...just about no plan for HArry.

My point tho, was evident, despite my wording...lol...i thought...??

I meant, look at Jackpot (a big piece of advertising for this reboot),...even...as another example and how it played out. (i know THAT wasn't in THIS article.) It poofed out with no real point or purpose. There was backlash, and for as much as they say they are ignoring all their unhappy customers...they are also trying to fix things too....so it is all one big contradiction and their part, in my eyes, to fore this to work one way or another, no matter what.)

JMS, bad or good, did have the orginal reboot planned out. Joe delayed it and changed it substantially at the last second.

Even the advertisement of what was planned for OMD/BND at one point never happened. No one died in OMD, like originally advertised. Other examples from the time are out there.

So, JAckpot...the first big "thing".....not planned out.
Harry...the next....not planned out.
Giant alterations in history = no change at all, IF you buy that. (Not planned out!)
An entire planet mindwiped with brain damage and partial memories and no one cares or has commented on their cognitive concerns in any book anywhere...not planned out.

Everything about this screams of THROWN TOGETHER POORLY.

Sure, you may like the story...BUT....can't people just admit this is thrown together foricbly and poorly and illogically....and not just chant...MARVEL HAS A PLAN AND WAIT AND SEE.

There have been plenty of links over the timeline of this all..and plenty of good points of how this is illogical and not character driven at all.

Some may love the end result, which is fine...but HOW we've gotten there is cooky talk.

They (MArvel) can't even EXPLORE their OWN STORY and the logical FOLLOW THRU.

Do you think we'll really ever see a story where Aunt May finds out she owes her life to the devil?? Doubt it. They are already working on rebooting their own reboot to take the devil out of it more.

See??
 
Mainly from Bob Gale's comments about continuity and nerds in an past interview.

And that's why we don't see Gale giving out too many interviews these days...

You cannot place fault of "lack of continuity" on ONE guy's comment when we both know that Slott is one of the very RARE writers that will use continuity as a tool rather than a hinderance (like so many big name writers)... he researched a previous Spidey/Bullseye fight prior to NWTD (they've only met once prior :huh: )... back when he was writing the Thing, he was on the Marvel Forums boards (he has a user name here at SHHype) asking questions to the fans about Project Pegasus (might be before your time), because he wanted to use it in a story for an upcoming Thing arc that unfortunately never saw the light of day... but that speaks VOLUMES on how much he cares about continuity... imagine.. a writer doinf research, and with the best available resource ever... the FANS!!!

If anything, continuity appears to be tighter NOW than I've ever seen in the last decade, certainly not on JMS' run... and while maybe the change of art/writing styles may bother you, you can't really get down on the "lack of continuity"...

According to Brevoort's Manifesto, Spider-Man was NOT AT ALL where Marvel wanted him to be, so a drastic change was in order... the execution, in my opinion, was poor... but it placed Peter Parker where THEY feel they needed him to be for the longevity of the character... and while I had to ignore certain things in the begining, it's getting a lot better, and especially with the references to continuity finally coming into play, this whole thing is paying off in my world... and I hope they can keep it up.

Cheers...

:yay:
 
Some may love the end result, which is fine...but HOW we've gotten there is cooky talk.

They (MArvel) can't even EXPLORE their OWN STORY and the logical FOLLOW THRU.

Do you think we'll really ever see a story where Aunt May finds out she owes her life to the devil?? Doubt it. They are already working on rebooting their own reboot to take the devil out of it more.

See??

Whatever the real situation may be, I don't believe for a second that Marvel went into this thing as a reboot with the idea of ignoring everything that went on before... Slott still insists that A:TI #7 is relevant, and if it turns out to be so, then that's proof (to me anyhoo) that conitnuity was going to be an issue in the new direction, and IF continuity was going to be an issue in the new direction, then the idea to remove Mephisto from the equation would be necessary because we would require "logical" explanations as to how things are the way they are...

I believe that was always in the works... in my opinion.

:yay:
 
And that's why we don't see Gale giving out too many interviews these days...

HA! well at least we can all agree that his writing sucks out loud.

You cannot place fault of "lack of continuity" on ONE guy's comment when we both know that Slott is one of the very RARE writers that will use continuity as a tool rather than a hinderance (like so many big name writers)... he researched a previous Spidey/Bullseye fight prior to NWTD (they've only met once prior :huh: )... back when he was writing the Thing, he was on the Marvel Forums boards (he has a user name here at SHHype) asking questions to the fans about Project Pegasus (might be before your time), because he wanted to use it in a story for an upcoming Thing arc that unfortunately never saw the light of day... but that speaks VOLUMES on how much he cares about continuity... imagine.. a writer doinf research, and with the best available resource ever... the FANS!!!

True but you can't say that the brain trust as a whole is worried about continuity either. You only referenced Slott in defense of them. :oldrazz:

Still I will take back what I said. It was wrong.
I didn't mean all of them to begin with, (because I respect Slott as well...he works hard with continuity) but Gale should have been more careful since he represents the brain trust. I don't think he'll be on the book again anytime soon.

If anything, continuity appears to be tighter NOW than I've ever seen in the last decade, certainly not on JMS' run... and while maybe the change of art/writing styles may bother you, you can't really get down on the "lack of continuity"...

Well I feel that opening with Steve Mcniven messed them up a bit on the art. They set the artistic bar REALLY high in the opening issues. The man's work is stunning. Than they follow up with someone like Chris Bachalo or Marcos Martin (Both Controversial artists). still shifting art doesn't bother me as much as shifting writing does. The writers don't get to properly flesh out there own subplots. If its passed onto another writer sometimes that hurts the plot rather than helping it. we've all seen that happen before, so I think they are wisely trying to avoid that by having each writer get in there 3 issues and passing the torch. Which is hurting the pace IMO. I'd rather see a story build and build than see little rice trails dropped until its suddenly cut off and than SURPRISE here's all the info in one book.

According to Brevoort's Manifesto, Spider-Man was NOT AT ALL where Marvel wanted him to be, so a drastic change was in order... the execution, in my opinion, was poor... but it placed Peter Parker where THEY feel they needed him to be for the longevity of the character... and while I had to ignore certain things in the beginning, it's getting a lot better, and especially with the references to continuity finally coming into play, this whole thing is paying off in my world... and I hope they can keep it up.

Cheers...

:yay:

And yet as many times as they've tried to destroy the marriage, they continued to bury the franchise into a hole. Marvel put him there themselves. It wasn't the marriage. Fans dismissed all plans to semi-reboot the series. It's the same as if DC wanted to Semi-Reboot Batman to his Denny O' Neil era days. Those are good stories but this is a totally different era.

It was an absolutely ludicrous plan to begin with. We haven't seen anything special yet that absolutely could not have been done with the marriage intact.

I really do want to read and enjoy these stories, thats why I stick around.
I've never been kicked off a book thats on my pull list before. I have all of Chapter one and nearly all of Mackie's run. These books are no where near as mediocre but its not enough to make me believe a mephisto reboot was needed.

It was cheap, unneeded, and very devisive. I can't support it. These boards suddenly feel like Civil War.
 
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And when you add to the fact that the stories will all work within continuity, then that makes it all even better for me... because I like to keep the continuity on track... something that Marvel had forgotten about Spider-Man (and most of it's characters) during the late 90's and this decade...
Agreed, every time something got messed up with continuity and all that, I got ticked off. Continuity is a VERY important things in comics and basically in films as well, which is one of the reasons that I, sometimes, don't understand why writers mess up continuity.
 
According to Brevoort's Manifesto, Spider-Man was NOT AT ALL where Marvel wanted him to be, so a drastic change was in order... the execution, in my opinion, was poor... but it placed Peter Parker where THEY feel they needed him to be for the longevity of the character... and while I had to ignore certain things in the begining, it's getting a lot better, and especially with the references to continuity finally coming into play, this whole thing is paying off in my world... and I hope they can keep it up.

Cheers...

:lmao:

I love how that's the best defense you're ever able to give. Because MARVEL was unhappy with the direction. Well even though these are Marvel's characters and they can do what they want with them, it is still their job to keep the fans happy in order for them to keep buying the book. Which they're not doing by the handfuls month after month.

Now they're trying to say that they're right and also giving whatever esplaination despite how often they contradict themselves.

JMS tells us Joe Quesada said Harry's ressurection doesn't need to be explained since it's magic at work. Tom Brevoort said fanst jumped the gun and just assumed Harry was brought back by Mephisto, and we'll get an eventual explaination.

Now they're saying they just wanted to bring him back with no explaination planned, just to bring him back. Now with people knowing this now subconciously or not they're gonna look for any reason this story is forced, and just doesn't fit. All because they wanted a dead character back for no good reason than just to bring him back.

Well forgive me for gloating, but F-YEAH!! I WAS RIIIIIIIGHT!!...booyah
 
Agreed, every time something got messed up with continuity and all that, I got ticked off. Continuity is a VERY important things in comics and basically in films as well, which is one of the reasons that I, sometimes, don't understand why writers mess up continuity.

You like continuity, and BND? That just makes my brain hurt.
 
I love how that's the best defense you're ever able to give. Because MARVEL was unhappy with the direction. Well even though these are Marvel's characters and they can do what they want with them, it is still their job to keep the fans happy in order for them to keep buying the book. Which they're not doing by the handfuls month after month.

It's their character and they can do whatever they want... if they felt like he wasn't where they wanted him to be, who the hell are you to think otherwise? If the fans dictated the outcome of Spider-Man's life, he'd still be with Mary Jan... err, no wait a minute, he'd be with the Black Ca... no, uhmmm, he'd be with Gwen Sta... geez, no that's not right... yeah, he'd still be dating Betty Brant... and the Black costume would have never made an appearance... it's not like the fans were bored with the red'n blues... and all Norman Osborn would have never "died" in ASM #122 (neither would Gwen), because it's the "fans" who get the final say on how "Spider-Man" should be handled...

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

You like continuity, and BND? That just makes my brain hurt.

There would be more cause for concern if an actual brain was involved...

:yay:
 
It's their character and they can do whatever they want... if they felt like he wasn't where they wanted him to be, who the hell are you to think otherwise? If the fans dictated the outcome of Spider-Man's life, he'd still be with Mary Jan... err, no wait a minute, he'd be with the Black Ca... no, uhmmm, he'd be with Gwen Sta... geez, no that's not right... yeah, he'd still be dating Betty Brant... and the Black costume would have never made an appearance... it's not like the fans were bored with the red'n blues... and all Norman Osborn would have never "died" in ASM #122 (neither would Gwen), because it's the "fans" who get the final say on how "Spider-Man" should be handled...

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:



There would be more cause for concern if an actual brain was involved...

:yay:


Yes. I even said they could do whatever they want, but again it's their jobs to keep us happy or else we're not buying the book. Which we're not. Also most of the stuff you mentioned even though people didn't like them they were at least still interested enough to keep on reading. However less and less people that felt burned by OMD/BND are reading since they don't see a light at the end of this tunnel. Their job is to keep the customers happy, and if we're not we gotta let them know with our wallets. Which we are.

I know the book has a bit of a sales cushion that they have more breathing room to pull out every stop along the way to try and get this to stick, but sooner or later this will get changed back.
 
Yes. I even said they could do whatever they want, but again it's their jobs to keep us happy or else we're not buying the book. Which we're not. Also most of the stuff you mentioned even though people didn't like them they were at least still interested enough to keep on reading. However less and less people that felt burned by OMD/BND are reading since they don't see a light at the end of this tunnel. Their job is to keep the customers happy, and if we're not we gotta let them know with our wallets. Which we are.

I know the book has a bit of a sales cushion that they have more breathing room to pull out every stop along the way to try and get this to stick, but sooner or later this will get changed back.

Speak for yourself, man. What about those of us who DO like the new direction? What about us that ARE still speaking with our wallets by still buying the books? Is your fan opinion any more important than mine? The writers know that there's no way that they can satisfy every reader all the time, and sometimes they're going to have to make decisions that a lot of people might not like. But they have to do what they think is in their best interest for the books, because if they spend too much time trying to just appease every reader's wishes there won't BE a Spider-Man comic to worry about after a while.
 
I love how that's the best defense you're ever able to give. Because MARVEL was unhappy with the direction. Well even though these are Marvel's characters and they can do what they want with them, it is still their job to keep the fans happy in order for them to keep buying the book. Which they're not doing by the handfuls month after month.

Now they're trying to say that they're right and also giving whatever esplaination despite how often they contradict themselves.

JMS tells us Joe Quesada said Harry's ressurection doesn't need to be explained since it's magic at work. Tom Brevoort said fanst jumped the gun and just assumed Harry was brought back by Mephisto, and we'll get an eventual explaination.

Now they're saying they just wanted to bring him back with no explaination planned, just to bring him back. Now with people knowing this now subconciously or not they're gonna look for any reason this story is forced, and just doesn't fit. All because they wanted a dead character back for no good reason than just to bring him back.

Well forgive me for gloating, but F-YEAH!! I WAS RIIIIIIIGHT!!...booyah

I believe OMD was a way of putting everything where they wanted without having to take years to write it that way.

They didnt want Peter and MJ married.
They didnt want the other and disassembled powers.
They wanted the old supporting cast.
They wanted him remasked.
They wanted to bring back Harry
They wanted him to return to his loner status.

I feel that OMD was just the way to put all of the genie's back in the bottle all at one time.

Now I will say that I figured they would be bringing harry back long before OMD happened. Why? Because they opened that road up when they brought back Norman. If he can come back, why couldn't harry come back with an ADVANCED version of the goblin formula? :huh:
 
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Speak for yourself, man. What about those of us who DO like the new direction? What about us that ARE still speaking with our wallets by still buying the books? Is your fan opinion any more important than mine? The writers know that there's no way that they can satisfy every reader all the time, and sometimes they're going to have to make decisions that a lot of people might not like. But they have to do what they think is in their best interest for the books, because if they spend too much time trying to just appease every reader's wishes there won't BE a Spider-Man comic to worry about after a while.

I think this semi-reboot would have been better received if they only rebooted the last half of JMS' run on Spider-man....
 

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