Question: Where do Your Rights Come From?

[Scarlet spidey]

Just a simple question, what gives you your rights?
If this has been made before I'm sorry.

 

[SuBe]

Your Rights come from something bigger than you. It is the "Creator" that Jefferson so eloquently wrote about. Whether it is God, Alla, Zeus, the Giant Eye Ball, or what ever you want it to be.

You have the Right to Life, Liberty, and the Property you acquire through the use of your Life and Liberty as long as it does not impose on the Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property of any other individual.

Government's SOLE purpose is to Protect YOUR Rights to Life, Liberty and Property. If Government becomes an impediment to the inalienable Rights, handed down by your creator, you have the 4th Right. The Right to dissolve or alter that Government in place of one that WILL protect your Rights to Life, Liberty and Property.

Why does the Rights derive from your "creator", whom ever it may be? Because if your Rights were man made, man can alter them, destroy them, or redefine them. Then that would offend ALL your rights. It is the perfect "trifecta" or power for any individual: You can't harm anyone, you can't be harmed by anyone. You can't steal from someone, someone can't steal from you. You can't enslave anyone, someone can't enslave you. Anything against any of those "rules" is illegal, and Government is a collection of people appointed by the consent of the Governed to protect those Rights and punish those that offend them.

For more information: http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm

This is the foundation of our Society and our Republic.

 

[Franklin Richards]

How come God thought is was ok to have slaves and then that changed. Seems like "rights" are just as subject to the whims of Man as anything else.


Take "God" out of this equation and stick to ethics.

 

[SuBe]

Because, dear Franklin, the Slaves in some States where not seen as "people", so others violated their Rights. The Treatment of Blacks in those days were against the 3 Rights given by the "creator".

What I'm saying is, those people in those days that violated the Rights of those individuals were wrong on that point, remember, not everyone was a slave owner or believed in Slavery. It doesn't mean that the Enlightenment was wrong.

 

[Addendum]

As we humans live, we constantly propose new rights and test old rights. What determines which rights survive this continual struggle? Force. Those rights that survive are those backed up with the greatest force by which I mean both ability and willingness to police.

In the long run, the amount of force which people can bring to bear to defend any right depends upon how much that right helps those people survive in their environment. This limits the extent to which humans can invent rights to serve their whims. Generally, rights which survive contribute to the survival of the human animal in its environment - From "Might Makes Right: An Observation and a Tool" by Richard Hammer

 

[Gilpesh]

Where do our rights come from?

Our imagination. Cause if it came from anything more important, then there would be a lot more of them and they would be more like, "right to a roof over your head" or "right to the best medical care", and people with more and bigger guns wouldn't be able to come in and take them away.

 

[V1P3Rt3Ch]

My rights come from three lefts.

 

[Addendum]

It depends on the road you're on

 

[SheldonLevene]

How come God thought is was ok to have slaves and then that changed. Seems like "rights" are just as subject to the whims of Man as anything else.


Take "God" out of this equation and stick to ethics.

How come you hate God so much? He doesn't hate you yet every thread I see you find some way to put down God and discredit the faith of those who believe in him.

 

[Kahoot]

How come God thought is was ok to have slaves and then that changed. Seems like "rights" are just as subject to the whims of Man as anything else.


Take "God" out of this equation and stick to ethics.

God still has slaves, his angels, cherubs, seraphs and stuff. They don't get paid and have no free will.

How come you hate God so much? He doesn't hate you yet every thread I see you find some way to put down God and discredit the faith of those who believe in him.

How do you know God doesn't hate some people? Your saying that God is all loving and yet and the end when you die, if you sined he f***s you over and sends you to hell anyway? Thanx, I know I'd do that to something/someone who I loved if they did something bad

 

[V1P3Rt3Ch]

If that's the case I'll have to fight my way out of hell...

 

[SheldonLevene]

God still has slaves, his angels, cherubs, seraphs and stuff. They don't get paid and have no free will.



How do you know God doesn't hate some people? Your saying that God is all loving and yet and the end when you die, if you sined he f***s you over and sends you to hell anyway? Thanx, I know I'd do that to something/someone who I loved if they did something bad

Have you read any of the bible? Where is this coming from? My God doesn't send people to hell for sin alone. I sin every day, but God knows that I have faith in him and am trying to be a better person. I believe in a forgiving God if you truly repent for your trespasses.

 

[Kahoot]

Have you read any of the bible? Where is this coming from? My God doesn't send people to hell for sin alone. I sin every day, but God knows that I have faith in him and am trying to be a better person. I believe in a forgiving God if you truly repent for your trespasses.

I'm not talking little things. I mean if you break the 10 commandments, and if you keep doing it you're buggered. That's what I was always taught in Sunday school, but then I was always taught that Jesus is alive which isn't something you tell little kids, I was about 7 or 8 before I realised he wasn't really alive they weren't being literal when they said that and I was never going to “find” him out hill walking one day.

 

[V1P3Rt3Ch]

Damn, browser errors...

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Your Rights come from something bigger than you. It is the "Creator" that Jefferson so eloquently wrote about. Whether it is God, Alla, Zeus, the Giant Eye Ball, or what ever you want it to be.

To be fair, I don't think there really needs to be a "God," per se for that to work. We just need that to be human beings and reconize that these rights are what most, if not all, of humanity wants in order to live a comfortable life.

 

[SuBe]

God still has slaves, his angels, cherubs, seraphs and stuff. They don't get paid and have no free will.



How do you know God doesn't hate some people? Your saying that God is all loving and yet and the end when you die, if you sined he f***s you over and sends you to hell anyway? Thanx, I know I'd do that to something/someone who I loved if they did something bad

Stay on Topic Please. If you want to bring up arguments like that, take it to the Religion Debate thread.

 

[SuBe]

To be fair, I don't think there really needs to be a "God," per se for that to work. We just need that to be human beings and reconize that these rights are what most, if not all, of humanity wants in order to live a comfortable life.

The argument for the 3 Rights of Man are "infallible", they protect everyone. To be Man Made, they can be Man Destroyed. That is why it was understood by far more brilliant men that this rights are inalienable. That means it is without debate that you, MaskedManJRK, can not create new rights without impeding on the rights of another. The 3 basic rights are so perfect that they must come from another source other than man.

I am not saying that you have to believe that "god" made these Rights, only that you cannot create anything any more perfect that develops freedom and prosperity. If you want, I would recommend reading the writings of the founders and people like Bastiat.

 

[Bill]

The 3 basic rights are so perfect that they must come from another source other than man.

Or so obvious that a truly successful and just society would have to have them.

 

[Franklin Richards]

How come you hate God so much? He doesn't hate you yet every thread I see you find some way to put down God and discredit the faith of those who believe in him.

How can you hate something that doesn't exist?

 

[SheldonLevene]

How can you hate something that doesn't exist?

Hmm...well I won't get into a religious debate this isn't the thread for that. I will pray for you. That's all I can say.

 

[VampElvis]

How can you hate something that doesn't exist?

Are you cereal? I absolutely abhor the gremlin in my dryer that eats my left socks - but he doesn't exist.
YES! It's just that simple!

 

[Scarlet spidey]

My personal opinion is that my rights come not from god, or government, but from nature.
I exist, therefore I am entitled to rights.
Nothing gave them to me. They were there before I was.

 

[DACrowe]

Rights come from the fact of your existence. Human beings are essientially equal across the board and it is unjust or ridiculous to think that any one person should have much power over you. You as human should be free to do whatever you want, as long as you do not infringe upon another's freedom or rights.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Your "rights" are an agreement that society makes amongst themselves. Just like ethics. It's a contract. Plain and simple.


And for some... a house of cards.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Guns, we have our "rights" because we have people with guns that allow us to have them.