Ok I can't ignore this, I know you been bullied enough already for your unique opinion but I gotta get my two cents in.
The often harped on cinematography. The digital cameras (as I've said in another thread, they can be used well like any time David Fincher uses them or the recent Hunger Games movie but in other cases end up making the film look cheap) combined with how the film is lit end up making it feel filmed for TV.
Yeah I don't get this claim everyone makes that it looks like its made for TV, the movie looks pretty high budget and epic to me. If it's the colour correcting, I think the natural colouring is different and makes it feel more authentic than some weird Zack Snyder looking tint.
An uninteresting story that doesn't have the character work to support it (see next point).
What? the whole film is about the characters, so much so that there's pretty much no plot, it's just to build on the characters interactions. I think in any movie, character > plot because nearly every plot is done before but characters can make or break a film and this film had characters.
Poor handling of characters. Tony's arc is the whole "you wouldn't throw yourself on the grenade to save others" (paraphrasing) line that Cap feeds him. However this is exactly what he does in the climax of the first Iron Man, he's going over too similar an arc.
Like someone said above, Tony had no choice, it was either be killed by Iron Monger or risk your life to try and kill him. It wasn't like in Avengers when Thor could've easily done it and had guaranteed survival, Iron Man 1 Tony would've never thrown the Nuke into another dimension, knowing full well he was going to die. And to be honest, I think Tony knew he wouldn't die in Iron Man 1, I feel he calculated the probability, but that's just my interpretation.
Banner complains on the ship about how "at least you [Tony] can control it." However, later in the film, we get the "I'm always angry" moment. So...he can control it then? So what was he complaining about earlier? Since if he's referring to not being in control when Hulked out, we don't really see it. The one time we see the Hulk apart from when he's being manipulated by Loki's staff is the climax, where he's not causing any trouble really.
I don't know why people have such a hard time with this, I grasped it the first time I saw the movie. The staff didn't control the Hulk, it just got everyone heated. It amplified everyones already latent contempt for each other. Banner can only somewhat control the Hulk when he Hulks out at will. But if he Hulks out AGAINST his will, the monster inside will come out, he loses all control and goes on a rampage, this is what Banner means by "at least you can control it." Banner and Hulk literally is a struggle for control and they are looking to explore this more in Avengers: Age of Ultron too.
Cap seems to have the idea of an arc, him coming to terms with living in this new world, however I feel the film doesn't give this enough time. That deleted scene though, with him walking through modern New York, I think is one of the best scenes of the film counting both what's in it and what was deleted and released.
I agree with this, that deleted scene should've been in the movie. It such a simple moment would've added so much to his character. But It's definitely not enough to dislike the whole movie.
Thor has no arc to speak of and his character feels regressed and like his arc in his solo never occurred. He appears on Earth and just starts fighting everyone, I don't feel the character would be like this by the end of his solo.
He doesn't just attack everyone, he goes in and takes Loki because Loki is Thor's business and Thor feels humans are no match for Loki and would just be wasting their time. Loki and Thor were talking and Iron Man attacks Thor out of nowhere. Of course Thor will defend himself he's a warrior, he even warned Iron Man that he's out of his league and that he should leave but Iron Man basically said fight me fgt. If that was pre banished Thor he would've destroyed the entire quinjet killing Black Widow.
As well, I don't like how he just throws Loki under the bus for a joke. It seemed out of character.
He wasn't joking, he was deadly serious. His brother just killed 80 people in 3 days, he had to immediately dissociate himself from him. To us it looks like he was joking, it's like the "I need a horse" gag in Thor, just because it's strange and funny to us doesn't mean it's not deadly serious to Thor.
Black Widow doesn't have an arc, however we do get some touching on the character's backstory. Though she doesn't have an arc, I really like her in this movie. She's not up to par with how she was written in Winter Soldier but a massive step up from Iron Man 2 and an enjoyable character.
Black Widow was badass, she had that whole scene with Loki, most characters like her would just be relegated to canon fodder but Joss Whedon made her an important part of the team. If that isn't an arc then what is?
Hawkeye...there's nothing to say about Hawkeye.
Yes he didn't have much to do and was reduced to a zombie for most of the film but he put down Loki towards the end for Hulk to finish. But yeah he didn't get much of a character moment like the rest.
The climax. I feel it goes on far too long without ever feeling particularly engaging. And how it resolves comes out of nowhere, like Whedon was writing it and didn't know what to do but he had the Phantom Menace on in the background so suddenly they were all controlled by a ship. I mean, if they were established already as robots or something, then okay, but it comes out of nowhere.
No no no no no, it does not go on for too long! The climax was exhilarating, it was amazing, funny, and just all around epic, unlike the finale's of the previous MCU films. The tracking shot was one of the greatest moments in action/superhero film history over that incredible soundtrack as well, That was the comics officially coming to life. You can't hate the last 40 minutes of The Avengers, it was a war. The Chitauri going Phantom Menace style, yeah that was lame but again not enough to hate the whole film.
Speaking of the climax, Selvig being able to make a backdoor when under mind control doesn't make sense.
We don't know how Loki's mind control works, maybe he did it subconsciously or it's just a natural thing to do when you create something, good or evil. Use a little creative thinking, not everything has to be spelt out for you, sometimes it's up the the audience to interpret for themselves how things happen and work. Though I will say the staff shutting down the cube seems like a natural thing it would do, Selvig should've said it has a failsafe that he found and couldn't remove, rather than he put it in, would've been so much better.
I don't buy Coulson's death having an impact on anyone but Stark and SHIELD Agents. Steve had two scenes with him, Banner and Thor just met him that day. To make this some big moment that
Thor met him in New Mexico and acknowledged him as an ally, he also saw him as one of his few TRUE friends in midgard because he protected Jane and gave her the means to search for him. Banner didn't care about Coulson and I don't think he was meant to. Like someone pointed out Steve saw him as a fan, he felt he let him down and the blood on the cards obviously triggered Cap.
The whole ending of Iron Man 2 is pretty pointless.
As someone said Shield wanted the Iron Man suit not Tony Stark and rightfully so Tony is a massive liability. But at the start of the Avengers they needed Tony because he wouldn't give up the suit willy nilly and it was urgent, they even addressed this at Stark Tower right at the beginning so why are you asking this lol?
The whole ending of Thor is pretty pointless.
Loki mentions Dark Magic, the prelude comics confirmed that Odin used Dark Magic to conjure Thor to earth at the cost of Thor's full strength. Using Dark Magic to travel is like the equivalent of using a nuclear substance as fuel in a car in desperation.
You'd think they'd want to call in War Machine.
He was busy, simple as that. This is a fact too.
Yes it is awful but it's not enough to hate on the whole movie.
Loki got the drop on Cap in Germany but didn't use mind control on him. Why didn't he do it to Fury earlier?
Like someone pointed out he was not in a position too in either situation.
The fight in the forest feels contrived and Thor out of character. I guess Stark is underpowering his suit if it's able to hold a charge four times the amount he's charging it now. Was Thor trying to kill Cap? What if his shield was just a normal shield and Thor tore through it like paper and Cap too?
It was a glitch and Thor was greatly underpowered because of the Dark Magic used to conjure him to earth. Yes I believe Thor was trying to kill Cap and would've eventually killed Iron Man. He was playing with Iron Man at first but when Cap came, he got pissed and was ready to start killing ni**a's.
Loki should have pretended to try and get away at least, it would have made it less obvious he wanted to be caught.
Nah that sounds like a nitpick.
Miles above the earth, Hawkeye doesn't need a mask to breath like everyone else.
Another nitpick.
Thor doesn't hit the cage again. His first hit made a pretty significant crack in it, if he hit that spot a few more times he'd probably be out. He gets out when falling, of course, but he could have while onboard.
100% would've dropped if he hit it once more, didn't wanna take the risk of trying to break it, failing and falling.
Were the cards covered in blood really necessary? Would Cap and Iron Man just not work to stop an alien invasion because of some bickering?
Wether it was necessary or not Fury thought they were, it also shows Fury's willingness to distort the truth and manipulate people to achieve his goals.
Hawkeye is okay because he got hit in the head.
Nitpick, again we don't know how the mind control works biologically, use a creative mind an interpret your own ideas.
Good thing Loki didn't just kill Stark with the staff instead of throwing him out the window.
He chose to throw him out the window, he shoulda chose to stab him, Loki made a bad call, it happens, especially when you think your above a whole race. Tony was extremely lucky.
"We have a Hulk." ...well, everything you've seen on the helicarrier and have heard from Banner has pointed to him having no control over the Hulk, so why is this a good thing?
Apart from the fact that Tony always believed that Banner's Hulk could be aimed and was always fascinated by it, he was using this as a scare tactic obviously. But seriously man, did you actually watch this movie or leave it on while doing something else?
Black Widow not getting her arm torn off when she grabbed onto the Chitauri craft
Nitpick.
Why were the Chitauri rounding people up in a bank? Why not just kill them?
Like someone said, Loki wants to rule not kill, he killed a lot of people so Im sure he wants to keep a few alive to rule.
Loki gets defeated because he isn't bright enough to stand out of arm reach of the Hulk.
Arrogance and a superiority complex makes people stupid.
What's Loki's plan exactly? Have the Chitauri blow up parked cars and round people up in banks until they let you rule the world?
He was killing people and wanted to keep some alive, we just didn't see any on screen deaths of civilians cos Disney.
What soldier would follow the order to blow up New York
Almost every soldier.
Thor can't stop by and see Jane for a few minutes before leaving?
Business before b*tches, literally that's what it was. By the end of the film he had an obligation to take Loki back to Asgard, he couldn't just bone Jane while Loki sits and waits tied up in his gay Bane mask, as pimp as that would've been, Thor's a good boy now, maybe pre banished Thor would've done that. Damn pre banished Thor would've been awesome lol
So in summary......HOW THE HELL DO YOU LIKE IRON MAN 3 MORE THAN THE AVENGERS WHEN YOUR REASONS ARE SO DAMN NITPICKY!? DOESN'T ADD UP GURL!
I'm gonna spoiler tag the rest for length and because I don't want to turn this too much into an Avengers debate thread as it wasn't the point of the thread.
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