Superman Returns Re: The Offical Jason Appreciation Thread

[bittercold]

so if this kid is the son of superman but he was depowered, does the kid have any powers?!

Since he threw the piano I guess he has powers.

 

[Hudson]

for the last time..-sigh- half-human/half kryptonian..not that many powers developed yet..and he's only 5.

But Clark was depowered

I know he's half and half...

 

[Superman79]

But Clark was depowered

I know he's half and half...

I figure he'll only have SOME powers, but not all. That or he has unique powers like telekinesis...maybe he threw the piano, but with his mind ala Jean Grey???

 

[Hudson]

I figure he'll only have SOME powers, but not all. That or he has unique powers like telekinesis...maybe he threw the piano, but with his mind ala Jean Grey???

that would be freaky

maybe Clark's powers at that time was just dormant.

 

[Superman79]

that would be freaky

maybe Clark's powers at that time was just dormant.

there is that theory...but there is also the idea that Supes and Lois fooled around AFTER the events of SMII...

All i know Is i NEVER wanna see the kid become a super-sidekick, or I swear I'll go bonkers and hunt down Bryan Singer personally

 

[taintedFB]

Do we actually see the kid throw the piano are is everyone assuming?

And if Clark was depowered in Superman 2, then the kid shouldn't have any powers either. For all intents and purposes Clark was human at that time...

And what happens with Richard White in the end? What does he know? Are he and Lois still together? Does he live?

 

[Nautica7mk]

Do we actually see the kid throw the piano are is everyone assuming?

No, but the act was pretty obvious. The sea was calm so the yatch wasn't moving, and the power at which the piano literally slammed onto Brutus was pretty damn powerful.

 

[Batman the 6th]

Clark is a depowered kryptonian, nit human. Just because you give up your super powers, doesn't make you human. If Martian Manhunter lost all of his powers, he wouldn't be human. Does the movie make the piano throwing as if maybe Jason has something to do with it. Like does Jason have a look on his face or something?

 

[Drago]

Question for you guys-

Superman no longer has the crystals to "keep in touch" with Jor-El. The end speech where Supes repeated Jor-El's "the son becomes the father, and the father the son" line- obviously we now see Kal-El as 'the father' (maybe his speech should have ended there), but is there any possibility that the son is Jor-El reborn?

I don't read the comics, don't know if there's any weird stuff like that with Krypton, but it would A) be a way to keep his relationship with his father alive, B) make sense with Kal-El's delivery of the line "the son becomes the father, and the father the son".. it could've easily had the same impact if they just ended it at 'the son becomes the father', so maybe there's reason they added the final part

 

[IKnowSomeJudo]

Question for you guys-

Superman no longer has the crystals to "keep in touch" with Jor-El. The end speech where Supes repeated Jor-El's "the son becomes the father, and the father the son" line- obviously we now see Kal-El as 'the father' (maybe his speech should have ended there), but is there any possibility that the son is Jor-El reborn?

I don't read the comics, don't know if there's any weird stuff like that with Krypton, but it would A) be a way to keep his relationship with his father alive, B) make sense with Kal-El's delivery of the line "the son becomes the father, and the father the son".. it could've easily had the same impact if they just ended it at 'the son becomes the father', so maybe there's reason they added the final part

DRAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

 

[Superman79]

Question for you guys-

Superman no longer has the crystals to "keep in touch" with Jor-El. The end speech where Supes repeated Jor-El's "the son becomes the father, and the father the son" line- obviously we now see Kal-El as 'the father' (maybe his speech should have ended there), but is there any possibility that the son is Jor-El reborn?

I don't read the comics, don't know if there's any weird stuff like that with Krypton, but it would A) be a way to keep his relationship with his father alive, B) make sense with Kal-El's delivery of the line "the son becomes the father, and the father the son".. it could've easily had the same impact if they just ended it at 'the son becomes the father', so maybe there's reason they added the final part

Well his initials ARE J.L. which could= J. El which could stand for Jor-El!!

Seriously, it crossed my mind, but i think that would be a little too absurd [shrug]

 

[Batman the 6th]

I don't like the idea that Clark now has no contact with his birth father with the father crystal. Why couldn't he grab it? It was in Lex's FOS, I know SUpes got beat up, but when he threw the FOS in space, couldn't he just grab the crystal? And is Supes own FOS destroyed, or is it still intact?

 

[bsquad]

I don't like the idea that Clark now has no contact with his birth father with the father crystal. Why couldn't he grab it? It was in Lex's FOS, I know SUpes got beat up, but when he threw the FOS in space, couldn't he just grab the crystal? And is Supes own FOS destroyed, or is it still intact?

did Lex take the full controls or just some of the crystals? I actually thought he took only some of the crystals from the controls and that Superman noticed the holes in the controls where crystals use to be. if that is the case then he would still have contact with Jor-El. or mabe he can grow a spare

 

[Batman the 6th]

He should be able to, becuase in the book, Supes is all said because he has no further contact with his father. What about asking his mother for help? Then again, that was the only Marlon Brando footage there using, so I duobt they'll have him come back.

 

[Drago]

DRAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Glad to see a fellow fan

 

[Batman the 6th]

Maybe they'll have Lara come for the next movie. They don't show her in SR, I don't think, so it could work.

 

[Drago]

Well his initials ARE J.L. which could= J. El which could stand for Jor-El!!

Seriously, it crossed my mind, but i think that would be a little too absurd [shrug]

Aren't you the detective. I think it's something hinted at, but it is a little far-fetched. Maybe Singer can pull it off in a future film, we'll see- I have a lot of faith in Singer.

I think all the crystals were taken, so even though his FOS is there, it's pretty useless. HOWEVER, and I'm a fan of the movies, not the comic, so correct me if I'm wrong, but while the crystals were able to build new land masses, wasn't the green one Clark used to build the FOS a special one, since it had all the father, mother, and teaching stuff in it? I didn't see Lex take that one, so maybe it's possible for Clark to yet again rebuild a FOS.

 

[Matt]

DRAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Stewie Griffin] You know...your exam is in two hours and all we've done is work out...[/Stewie Griffin]

 

[Oddyball]

I loved the movie, and I can understand some peoples opinion on the child. But I'd like to know how Lois dealt with the realization that her son was Supermans if in Superman 2 her memory is erased and she forgets all about their one night together. I know that this isn't a direct tie in with the previous Donner films, but isn't that how the child was concieved? Wouldn't she question how in the world he is the father if she doesn't remember finding out Clark was Superman and visiting him in the Fortress of Solitude? Thanks for the input to whoever helps me with this question.

 

[huskerwebhead]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I was wondering this as well.

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

This is one of my major gripes with the movie. I'd rather not get into it.

 

[huskerwebhead]

This is one of my major gripes with the movie. I'd rather not get into it.

You don't have a choice!!! Get into it...NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!





J/K

 

[Superman79]

I loved the movie, and I can understand some peoples opinion on the child. But I'd like to know how Lois dealt with the realization that her son was Supermans if in Superman 2 her memory is erased and she forgets all about their one night together. I know that this isn't a direct tie in with the previous Donner films, but isn't that how the child was concieved? Wouldn't she question how in the world he is the father if she doesn't remember finding out Clark was Superman and visiting him in the Fortress of Solitude? Thanks for the input to whoever helps me with this question.

Well it could be one of 2 things:

1) They got it on other times post-SM2 (sans protection )

2) She attributes it to a memory she tried to kill off after Supes left. Usually if you become that bitter at an ex you try to forget almost everything about them, so she could chaulk it up to trying to make herself forget when they did it (when in reality it was a memory wipe kiss)

I'm more inclined to lean towards #1...hopefully they'll explain a bit more in SR2

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

How could Supes bang someone without accidentally thrusting with such force that he would kill his partner? And wouldnt he have some sort of "super sperm" that would show up in medical tests?

 

[Binker]

Here's something that makes sense about the kid:

So, is Jason really Superman's son? Superman thinks so, Lois might think so, and there's evidence to suggest he might be. But let's look at that evidence. Is any of it irrefutable?

No.

Jason flings a piano on the thug going after his mother. Does he? Possibly, yes, or it could have possibly been from the boat rocking on the ocean.

Jason spots Superman down in the ocean when no one else can find him. Telescopic vision? Perhaps. But that's not actually expounded upon, so theoretically he may have just seen something the others didn't because he was looking in a different spot.

Lois says to Superman, as he's in a coma, "I wanted to tell you that J..." and she's interrupted. Clearly they wanted us to think that she was going to tell him that Jason was his son, but she never actually says it.

Jason calls Richard "Daddy". That doesn't mean Richard is his actual father though, so we have more ambiguity. Jason may just call him that as he's been the recent father-figure in his life.

Lois, thinking Jason has powers, later asks him to break open the locked door to get them out of the room they're trapped in on the yacht, but just as he's about to Richard flings the door open from the outside.

Special attention is paid to the words of Superman's father, Jor-El, and Superman's repeating of those words to Jason. It's implicitly clear at the end of the film that Superman believes Jason to be his son, but there's technically no information to confirm 100% either way.

Personally I feel that Jason is Superman's son. Lois seems surprised, but not overwhelmingly so, when the piano crushes the thug. Not as surprised as she'd be if he did that and he was biologically Richard's son.

And clearly, since she later asks him if he can open the door to the room they're trapped in, she fully accepts that he may have superhuman abilities.

It's still never explicitly stated that he's Superman's son, but there's enough information there for me to be comfortable enough to say, and believe, that he is.