Superman Returns Re: The Offical Jason Appreciation Thread

In the Superman comics, Clark has just gone a 'comic year' without powers. What are the chances that we are going to see Jason in the comic's soon? The new \S/ shield has made it in and so is the crystalline Fortress of Solitude. DC seems to be aligning the comics and the movies.

All those whining about Jason not being part of Super-Lore might not have a leg to stand on.

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It's only a matter of time before he's chucking pianos and such in the comics. I can't wait for the animate series and possible spinoff issues about Jason, the new Superboy!
 
I really don't see what was wrong with the kid. It left a lot of story to EXPLORE.. The movie was great, but it needed more action scenes. And someone did bring it to my attention that there was/is a Superboy in the comics (even if he's NOT Superman's son) it does leave the series open for a lot of possibilities. And you gotta admit, the kid throwing the piano was pretty bad ass. And if you really think about it, come on.. Some of us HAD to see that comming.. (That he would turn out to be Superman's son) Well, I guess, I didn't.. It was still an interesting way to go, and the writers job is to write a story that HE thinks will be entertaining, while still trying to be respectful of the material. (which is not always the case if we look at the previous Batman films over the years). His job is to write a story that both the studio is satisfied with, as well as the producer, so, in that sense, he did his job.. He just did it poorly...
 
Firstly, the kid himself was not that bad. Thankfully Jason wasn't one of those annoying, whiny, bratty kids that so often populate movies.

I think some of us here are not opposed to Superman having a kid, per se. What we have a problem is with HOW the kid came to be.....the CONTEXT of his existence.

If they want to give Lois and Clark a kid in the comics, that's a different story than what Singer did in SR. In the comics, as far as I know, Lois and Clark are a MARRIED couple......they are in a LOVING, ESTABLISHED relationship. So, comic Lois and Clark having a kid is perfectly natural, and the kid will be born into a different context/environment than Jason in SR.

In SR, Jason is an ILLEGITIMATE, BASTARD child......born OUT OF WEDLOCK.....ABANDONED by his real father ( who, at the very least, was absent for the first 5 years of Jason's life )......

Jason is not being raised by his real father....he is not even being raised by a couple that really loves each other ( Lois can't fully commit to Richard because she still loves Superman ).......Jason's mom and real Dad are NOT together.....Jason will have very confusing paternity issues.......

IOW.....Jason in SR is born into a chaotic mess, caused largely by the irresponsible behavior of two adults ( Superman AND Lois )........

So.......it's the context and circumstances of Jason's birth/upbringing that is bothering some people........
 
yes indeed. He's going to need family counseling.

He was poorly written to me unfortunately. He's just weird after he gets his powers. For example He does nothing to fight off the rest of lex's gang and just maintains that shocked expression for way too long. Make him smarter, make him want to know why he just threw a piano. I liked when he was banging into doors and acting cute etc, but there they just dumbed him down completey in the end. That I didn't like.
 
yah....i mean he pushed the piano in times of great stress.......but how come he couldn't help his mom out of the pantry......or help out mom and Richard during the whole escape sequence???

Also....in regards to the CONTEXT.....it's also important that the CONTEXT does not match the character of Superman!!!!

Superman, above all other heroes, is supposed to be a strong, responsible, moral character. Also, Clark/superman, being an orphan himself......not knowing his biological parents.......being raised in a loving home by the Kents..........

Superman, above all else, should have a STRONG Family bond.....he should know the importance of creating a stable, loving family environment for a child.....he should know what it feels like to NOT KNOW your real parents.......

Therefore, Superman's abandoning Lois ( and his unborn child ) for 5+ years ( and his elderly mom too!! ).....his not being there to raise Jason for the first 5 years......and hence Jason NOT Knowing his real dad.......and otherwise creating a very messy love triangle/quadrangle......seems to totally fly against the very character of Superman........that is what I cannot forgive Singer for.....no matter how beautiful his movie looks..........
 
oh.....and don't give me that crap that superman didn't know Lois was pregnant before he left....that it was LOIS' responsibility to tell him she was pregnant........or that Superman didn't even know he's able to have kids.....

First.......it is NOT the woman's job to tell the man she is pregnant. The man has to have some duty too........he can ask the girl too if she is pregnant...ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAD UNPROTECTED SEX!!!!!

..IF THE MAN IS NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF SEX ( possible pregnancy/planning for a future family ), THEN THE MAN SHOULD NOT BE HAVING SEX IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!

Also, some ppl argue that leaving for Krypton was a bigger priority for Supes than staying with Lois.....EXCUSE ME!!????

The girl was obviously a priority when you wanted to get her naked in bed and have her spread her legs for you........but after that she's nothing!!?? You can just sever the bond and relationship with her, and leave her for 5+years, without a word??!! What, she has no feelings??? You've had your fun, but now you're going to throw her life into chaos, so you can go off and rediscover your alien heritage.............WROOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGG!!!!

That is irresponsible, and highly inconsiderate ( to say the least ).

And, finally, some would say that Superman didn't know his alien DNA would even allow him to produce an offspring ( get Lois pregnant )......ummm......okay???????

Well.....if you are unsure as to how your alien DNA will react with Lois' DNA.......then you shouldn't be having sex in the first place!!!!! If you're that unsure of the consequences, considering that it MAY HARM Lois, then you shouldn't be playing around at all.........

All that is IRRESPONSIBLE, INDECENT, and woefully INCONSIDERATE........yah.....that's Singer Superman for you......
 
Bump because Jason is badass.

Yeah some people don't seem to have a problem with it for whatever reason. But to me, this is so out of character for superman it's not funny. He does not leave his soulmate based on some scientist's hunch. It really put me off ofthis movie to see him be so carelessly portrayed. Thank god for Nolan.

and jason.
 
agreed wesyeed.........Singer's portrayal of Superman, and imo, a total lack of understanding of the character, is what really turned me off of SR.....I really wanted to like this movie........I was hoping that THIS WOULD BE the Superman of this generation.....a hero we could all be proud of.....

But....all we got was an IMMORAL Superman........who, I guess, sadly reflects the times we live in.......sigh.....
 
I think we need a 'Jason Depreciation Thread' because that kid represents everything that is wrong with SR
 
no......SUPERMAN is what's wrong in SR..........

if you think about it......ALL of the problems in SR are directly attributed to Superman NOT behaving like an......umm......MAN ( let alone Superman ).......
 
super-bats said:
First.......it is NOT the woman's job to tell the man she is pregnant. The man has to have some duty too........he can ask the girl too if she is pregnant...ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAD UNPROTECTED SEX!!!!!

What the hell are you talking about?????? if its not the woman's job to tell a man when she is pregnant, then who's job is it, so when should a man ask a woman if she is pregnant, after they do the deed, a week later or maybe when a bump shows, c'mon dude as soon as a woman knows her state she SHOULD tell the guy.
 
well.....it's not SOLELY the woman's job to tell a man she is pregnant....

yes......a responsible woman SHOULD tell her guy as soon as she knows herself........i agree with you there.......

BUT.....a RESPONSIBLE man SHOULD STICK AROUND LONG ENOUGH to find out!!!! If the guy actually stays around, he can follow up and check and ask himself......you know, stay involved in the girl's life as he should be doing.......

Now, granted we don't know the exact circumstances surrounding Superman's departure.....but it sounds like he left rather abruptly......without saying goodbye to Lois or anything....

So....perhaps Lois didn't have the CHANCE to tell Supes.....cuz he wasn't around to tell.....

All I'm saying is that BOTH SIDES in a relationship MUST SHARE the RESPONSIBILITY and the CONSEQUENCES.........it is not fair to place the ENTIRE BURDEN on the woman......

after all.....they have to go through the pregnancy, the labor, the physical ( and emotional ) burden of carrying and delivering the child.......the least we, as males, can do.....considering that we too are responsible for the creation of the child.....is to STAY AROUND, BE WITH OUR WOMAN, and GIVE HER THE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT SHE NEEDS...........

AND ESPECIALLY when you have UNPROTECTED SEX with the girl......when the risk of pregnancy is VERY HIGH.........that's when you need to be extra "vigiliante" and cautious, so to speak............that's NOT THE RIGHT TIME to leave the girl for 5+ years.......
 
super-bats said:
well.....it's not SOLELY the woman's job to tell a man she is pregnant....

yes......a responsible woman SHOULD tell her guy as soon as she knows herself........i agree with you there.......

BUT.....a RESPONSIBLE man SHOULD STICK AROUND LONG ENOUGH to find out!!!! If the guy actually stays around, he can follow up and check and ask himself......you know, stay involved in the girl's life as he should be doing.......

Now, granted we don't know the exact circumstances surrounding Superman's departure.....but it sounds like he left rather abruptly......without saying goodbye to Lois or anything....

So....perhaps Lois didn't have the CHANCE to tell Supes.....cuz he wasn't around to tell.....

All I'm saying is that BOTH SIDES in a relationship MUST SHARE the RESPONSIBILITY and the CONSEQUENCES.........it is not fair to place the ENTIRE BURDEN on the woman......

after all.....they have to go through the pregnancy, the labor, the physical ( and emotional ) burden of carrying and delivering the child.......the least we, as males, can do.....considering that we too are responsible for the creation of the child.....is to STAY AROUND, BE WITH OUR WOMAN, and GIVE HER THE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT SHE NEEDS...........

AND ESPECIALLY when you have UNPROTECTED SEX with the girl......when the risk of pregnancy is VERY HIGH.........that's when you need to be extra "vigiliante" and cautious, so to speak............that's NOT THE RIGHT TIME to leave the girl for 5+ years.......

I like your angle, lol, yep Singer dropped the ball on that subject because it makes Superman look very very bad.
 
yah...thanks game.......

the Superman Singer created is so out of character for Superman........

and the sad thing is.........I've never had a girlfriend, or been in a relationship, or had sex.............

But...I DO KNOW.....that when I do meet a girl....I WOULD NOT do what Superman did to Lois......as that is NO WAY to treat the girl you love........

If I find a girl who truly loves me....then I would consider myself the luckiest guy in the world!! I would want to spend every waking minute with her........

even if I was faced with a once in the lifetime opportunity to see my home world......I would forego that chance if it meant spending even 1 second away from my girl........I would much rather spend 1 minute with my girl.....then spend 5+ YEARS drifting alone in cold dark space...........
 
super-bats said:
yah...thanks game.......

the Superman Singer created is so out of character for Superman........

and the sad thing is.........I've never had a girlfriend, or been in a relationship, or had sex.............
But...I DO KNOW.....that when I do meet a girl....I WOULD NOT do what Superman did to Lois......as that is NO WAY to treat the girl you love........

Woah forum etiquette 101: never, ever..............ever admit those three things, even if your are not of age, you don't want to lessen your E-Persona :D
 
well.....I am 23........

and I don't much care for personas........but I DO care about guys behaving irresponsibly and not treating women right.......as that royally p****s me off!!!

Even if said man is a so-called Superman........
 
super-bats said:
well.....I am 23........

oh, Stick with me kid i'm the chick magnet of this site :D, lol, you sound upset about what Clark did but word of advice I heard he can shift continents with his bare hands
 
well...I must admit....you guys seem to find the prettiest girls to put in your Avatars!! Rosa Kato...sigh.........

To paraphrase Joker from Batman89: "Where do you get those girls!!?"
 
super-bats said:
oh.....and don't give me that crap that superman didn't know Lois was pregnant before he left....that it was LOIS' responsibility to tell him she was pregnant........or that Superman didn't even know he's able to have kids.....
I'm a going to give ya that crap...don't be mad.

super-bats said:
First.......it is NOT the woman's job to tell the man she is pregnant. The man has to have some duty too........he can ask the girl too if she is pregnant...ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAD UNPROTECTED SEX!!!!!
Actually it is mostly her duty to tell him. Women do not know the instant that they become pregnant. Most don't suspect they are pregnant at all until they miss thier first period...and that can be 28+ days after the act. The guy can ask...does that mean that she knows at that time that she is pregnant, or that it is his (yes, some women do like to have sex with more than one partner - kind of like many men) or that she is going to tell him the truth? And you might want to study up on contreceptives...just because you use them,doesn't mean that they are 100% effrctive.

super-bats said:
..IF THE MAN IS NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF SEX ( possible pregnancy/planning for a future family ), THEN THE MAN SHOULD NOT BE HAVING SEX IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!
I know it's a nice thought...and many religions and parents may push this concept....but as statistics and studies show....humans like to have sex. It would really be nice if they were more responsible about it...but it doesn't always happen.

super-bats said:
Also, some ppl argue that leaving for Krypton was a bigger priority for Supes than staying with Lois.....EXCUSE ME!!????


super-bats said:
The girl was obviously a priority when you wanted to get her naked in bed and have her spread her legs for you........but after that she's nothing!!?? You can just sever the bond and relationship with her, and leave her for 5+years, without a word??!! What, she has no feelings??? You've had your fun, but now you're going to throw her life into chaos, so you can go off and rediscover your alien heritage.............WROOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGG!!!!
At the risk of a bad joke...it just proves that even though he is Kryptonian...he's still a man.

Seriously, think about it. You are 25-30 years old. You know you are an alien from another planet. You have been told by the holographic image of your father that you are the only existing member of your race left alive. You have spent your entire life so far trying to fit in with these puny humans. You have to watch everything you say and do...to not only not let others know that you are an alien, but to keep from physically damaging them with the casual flick of your finger. Everything within many miles canstantly bombard your ears because of your super hearing. The very act of walking like otherpeople takes enormous concentration to keep from floating uo into the air. Stressful way to live.

Then you meet a woman. You like her. She likes you. You are afraid to do anything about it...because you can kill her with a hug. But you are lonely. Everyone longs for the touch of another person at some time or another ...and you know that you can only fleetingly do so while concentrating on not crushing them as you do it. Then finally you can take it no more...you discover that you can have these powers taken away...that you will actually be like the rest of the inhabitants of this planet and be able to be with the woman you love. You do the procedure. You have your first sexual encounter ever with her. Things are wonderful...better than you ever imagined.

Three Kryptonians show up and kick the world in the nards. Kryptonians? You were told you were the only one. What's up with that? You manage to get your powers back...you kick thier butts....you have to call it off with the woman you love...because you are superpowered again and could kill her accidently by breathing wrong. Life's a bummer. You know that she loves you, and that she will show it...she will unconsciously give away to anyone who notices over time that she knows more about you than she should. You think back...the rogue Kryptonians used her to attack you....other enemies could do the same....you make a decision, right ot wrong, you must erase from her memory the fact that she knew your secret and had slept with you. It was for her safety...you do it for her.

Then there is that other nagging matter. You just met three other Kryptonians. You are not alone as you thought. If you are not the last one as your father said you were...could he be wrong about your planet being destroyed too? The only thing to do is....go and see for yourself.

super-bats said:
That is irresponsible, and highly inconsiderate ( to say the least ).
Read my above long winded speech.

super-bats said:
And, finally, some would say that Superman didn't know his alien DNA would even allow him to produce an offspring ( get Lois pregnant )......ummm......okay???????
Yep...that's what I say.

super-bats said:
Well.....if you are unsure as to how your alien DNA will react with Lois' DNA.......then you shouldn't be having sex in the first place!!!!! If you're that unsure of the consequences, considering that it MAY HARM Lois, then you shouldn't be playing around at all.........
Uh...remember what I said...he is a man...he had abstained for about 30 years...he's trying to.

Knowing that your touch (flesh to flesh...careful breath from your lungs against human flesh....other bodily fluids against human flesh - his parents after all had to change diapers) does not cause people to mutate or dissolve...it is fairly reasonable to assume that semen will not act like battery acid either. It is also a reasonable assumption that his Kryptonian DNA will not interact with human DNA....it was pretty wild odds that they would work.

super-bats said:
All that is IRRESPONSIBLE, INDECENT, and woefully INCONSIDERATE........yah.....that's Singer Superman for you......
Most of that is Donner's, Puzo's, Lester's, and a host of others Superman...because it was in Superman II that Lois and Supes had thier sexual encounter.
 
I think superman would eventually discover that Zod came from the phantom Zone. Or he already knew from that long 12 year history lesson he got from Jor el in STM... ?

The memory wipe is interesting because Singer said he ignored it... so... Therefore I think I can assume superman had a night of passion with her at her house or wherever and was gone to krypton, it may have been a week later or so after the sex. So vague history may dictate that she never learned who he was. I fear that my mind will explode if I try to understand which parts of superman 2 I should count in continuity so I'll think that instead the memory wipe is gone, the sex in the fortress might stay, the de-powering might be gone, the three kryptonians coming to earth might stay, the learning of superman's secret identity is gone too.

Maybe that works.
 
It's all conjectire and speculation.....because of those fantasmagorical words.....VAGUE.....HISTORY.
 
C. Lee said:
It's all conjectire and speculation.....because of those fantasmagorical words.....VAGUE.....HISTORY.

Fascinating. yes indeed...

Vague History is quite an interesting concept. It's like a choose-your-own-adventure but backwards. I believe it was first used in either superman 2 or Superman 4 as far as superman is concerned. I'm not really sure I've seen it used anywhere else in the comic book genre.
 
Just a side note here. Not important. I looked up the name Jason in the dictionary (hey, my name is Jason, I was curious), and it says that Jason is "he that cures." Now I can see why they decided to name the kid Jason in the movie.. Of course, that might have had NOTHING what-so-ever to do with it, but just thought I would put that out there.. And you can check that out for yourself at this address: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Jason
Has a slew of other meanings in Greek Mythology, just wanted to point that one out. See ya..
Jason B.
 

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