Sequels Reboot?

[Shaolin Kenobi]

I'm still new... but I haven't seen much discussion on how people would feel about a reboot. I know it isn't going to happen and that other films in the current series are in the works... but just as a discussion point...

I am a huge Spidey fan, and although I will watch the movies time and time again because I love the character, I am often a little disapointed with them.

The first one had really bad CGI... from the very start, I would have MUCH rather seen a talented gymnast pull off some of the more believable spidey moves than that lame digital character. I think of the 70's live action made for TV shows (both in the United States and Japan). Despite their cheesy aspects to some degree they awaken a "cooler" feeling in me.

SM2 was pretty darn quality and I have very little to complain about there.

And as far as SM3 goes... I think we all understand it's shortcomings. First of all, Venom deserved his own complete story arc. While Sandman was sort of neat and the effects were good he was ultimately a detractor. A film splicer would also be put to good use as well. I could have really done without the Peter Parker dance routine and double gun fingers. Replace that pap with some real Venom substance and we're starting to have a decent flick here.

I'm ready to let the cast go as well. Batman Begins (followed by The Dark Knight) really brought a new level to superhero film making. I think a new standard has been set.

Raimi is a fine director but a fresh face there might serve the wall crawler well.

I don't know... really until Sony loses it's heartbreaking grip on the franchise even a full reboot could be a lost cause. Marvel Studios has really shown us what they can do with their films.

 

[ross2287]

I say no reboot for a long, long, LONG time. I want these current movie to be all but forgotten before they even think of rebooting.

Then introduce the villains like they are in The Spectacular Spider-Man with the mob creating supervillains to combat Spidey. Just think how cool it would be to have a mob meeting in the movie between The Kingpin and maybe Norman Osborne and The Kingpin's henchmen have the names of Flint Marko, Quentin Beck, Max Dillon and Aleksei Sytsevich. Massive nerd-gasms would ensue in theatres across the world.

Oh, and have Gwen be the first love interest for maybe two films and don't introduce MJ until the end of the third.

 

[SpeterMan3]

I say no reboot for a long, long, LONG time. I want these current movie to be all but forgotten before they even think of rebooting.

Then introduce the villains like they are in The Spectacular Spider-Man with the mob creating supervillains to combat Spidey. Just think how cool it would be to have a mob meeting in the movie between The Kingpin and maybe Norman Osborne and The Kingpin's henchmen have the names of Flint Marko, Quentin Beck, Max Dillon and Aleksei Sytsevich. Massive nerd-gasms would ensue in theatres across the world.

Oh, and have Gwen be the first love interest for maybe two films and don't introduce MJ until the end of the third.

 

[Ethermatic]

Personally, I would love to have this Spider-Man film franchise rebooted. As I watch Raimi's series of films now, I can't help but cringe at all the missed opportunities. I've got nothing against Raimi as a person or as a director, and I applaud his love for the character, but I do think that his influence or the influence of others on him have tarnished what could've been epic stories.

I truly think that time should be taken to let this series rest and then have it all rebooted with stories based more on the comics. The more classic stories, especially. Why they wasted the Green Goblin battle and Gwen Stacy's death is beyond me. One of the best known arcs in comic history and they never even tried to do it.

Since I'm a nerd, I've spent time thinking about my ideal Spider-Man film. As I'm sure most fans have. And, thanks to imagination and diversity, I'd bet most of the ideas are different. Which is wonderful. But I think for me the most important thing is to actually use some things from the actual comics.

It's really not that difficult, I would think. The first quarter of Spider-Man followed things rather well, despite the shoddy CGI to come. Blah. I could really get into my vague ideas for the first film and even the first two or three films. But I wouldn't want to unless someone actually asked. Or I'll feel dumb. Heh.

I'd also wish they'd cast actors and actresses closer to the age of the characters. Unpopular as he probably is to most people, I think Shia Labeouf would've been ideal a couple years ago. He has the frame, the wit and the general regular guy, almost nerdy feel to him. I know this isn't a casting thread, though, so I apologize.

Hopefully, in my general, youthful lifetime, this series will be rebooted and follow more along the lines of the comic book stories.

 

[Shaolin Kenobi]

I'd also wish they'd cast actors and actresses closer to the age of the characters. Unpopular as he probably is to most people, I think Shia Labeouf would've been ideal a couple years ago. He has the frame, the wit and the general regular guy, almost nerdy feel to him. I know this isn't a casting thread, though, so I apologize.

NO... No apology needed. I'm glad you mentioned this.
It is an aspect I neglected to mention.
I'll have to think about my ideal casting choices.
But.. I encourage further posters to mention theirs.

 

[Ethermatic]

In terms of casting, I would say Shia Labeouf as Peter Parker but that's more of a feeling from a year or two ago. I still like it, but I know full well it wouldn't happen. He played the nerdier type when he was younger, but I'm not sure about now since he's gotten bigger and more known. I do, however, think he could pull off the sarcasm under the mask a lot better than Tobey Maguire.

When it comes to Mary Jane Watson, Mary Elizabeth Winstead certainly looks the part. Her acting isn't bad at all, either. Not award-winning or anything, but I think she could play such a role just fine.

Of course, this is all if a reboot was going to happen now. Not in the years to come, which would be the case if it even happened at all.

 

[Venom75]

Then introduce the villains like they are in The Spectacular Spider-Man with the mob creating supervillains to combat Spidey. Just think how cool it would be to have a mob meeting in the movie between The Kingpin and maybe Norman Osborne and The Kingpin's henchmen have the names of Flint Marko, Quentin Beck, Max Dillon and Aleksei Sytsevich.

I love that idea. That way,you wouldn't have to come up with all these excuses or situations on how these people got their powers.

 

[ross2287]

I could really get into my vague ideas for the first film and even the first two or three films. But I wouldn't want to unless someone actually asked. Or I'll feel dumb. Heh.

Consider yourself asked.

 

[LightningFlash]

Reboot in ten years.

2019, 2020.

 

[Bubastis]

I'd definitely want the movie to go back to the roots of what made Spider-Man work, which is the way Steve Ditko interpreted the story. The way he drew the costume, the angles, the positions, the paranoia, the tension. The fun of seeing a real, geeky teenager have superpowers thrust upon him and have to become a superhero. That was kind of there in the Raimi series. But the real weakness of the trilogy, I think, is how over-produced they were. They had a real pedestrian feel to them, without much visual tone. The movies also felt incredibly safe. Bright colors, pretty actors with nice crisp clothes, paid extras, lots of CG. I'm not saying the franchise should go so realistic as to be like Nolan's batman films or to deflate the story of it's inherent silly fun, but it should bring the thrill of the story to the viewer.

But the thing that the next interpretation of the character needs to keep is the strength of Raimi's movies: the degree to which the audience is always on the same emotional wavelength as Peter Parker. Without the audience's ability to feel for and relate with Peter, the entire purpose of a "Spider-Man" story is rendered completely moot. The story is told emotionally, punctuated and defined by the emotional beats of Peter. The strength of Raimi's films is that the honesty and the love of the heart and soul of Peter are the very strong core of the film, which should be maintained.

 

[MadVillainy]

So I know after Spiderman 3, so many people called for Raimi to be removed and a reboot put in place.

A couple questions

1. Why have a reboot at all when the franchise is still good?
2. How would you go about it?


I say the franchise is good enough for it not to need a reboot, but someone explain their reasoning if they wanted a reboot

 

[Wiseman]

I don't think any comic book movie needs to be rebooted ever again. There can simply be a new movie that doesn't acknowledge the old ones without ever having to have an origin story. Most comics have over 60 years of history, if you can't find a new story to pick from and not have a villian that was killed off then you shouldn't be making the movie

 

[protocida]

Reboot? Hell no!

 

[Venom'sDad]

I don't think any comic book movie needs to be rebooted ever again. There can simply be a new movie that doesn't acknowledge the old ones without ever having to have an origin story. Most comics have over 60 years of history, if you can't find a new story to pick from and not have a villian that was killed off then you shouldn't be making the movie

Well you have to rebbot a franchise from time to time... not only to keep it fres and rehash villains that may have been killed off. A'la the Osborns and the Joker(89). But, to re-educate, if you will, new generations of fans who need to see orgins redone in their time, era, and technology.


As far as idea to reboot, oh man, I would give the fans something they have never seen.

 

[zeptron]

Spider-Man fans look so childish the way they are screaming for "Reboot!" Reboot!" "Reboot!". Reboots should be kept to a bare minimum and asking for one is absurd. Yes Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were good movies, but that doesn't mean there needs to be tons of reboots of old franchises. The Incredible Hulk was also a good movie, millions of times better than the 2003 one. But it was only released five years after it and for that it underperformed and it's still in question whether there will be a sequel.

Batman worked because by then the taste of Batman and Robin had been mostly washed away by the more recent and good comic book movies at the time.(Like X-Men and SPIDER-MAN) Not to mention, it was 8 years later, a good while. And the box office still suffered a bit. The first Spider-man movie isn't even a decade old. 1 and 2 are such good movies and I think it would be a shame to ignore them because of a slip up and say they're suddenly not good enough.

The fans have truly become egotistical if they expect this, just because they didn't like a movie based on one of their favorite characters, Hollywood will turn around and make a new one that will be better suited to their tastes.T he results would most likely not be better than the already very good products that Raimi has given us. Would they really be able to give us another Doc Ock story that be substantially different/better than Spidey 2 in say 2020 than they were able to do in 2004? I really doubt it. I think it's fine for people to find faults in movies and to not like them, but there's a point where people really start taking these comic book films for granted; before Raimi came along Spider-Man was in development hell for decades, and he's made two excellent movies and a mediocre one. Two out of three isn't bad. I for one think that's a good thing.

 

[SpeterMan3]

I think the R word should be banned from the English language.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

I think the R word should be banned from the English language.

 

[Dog Logan]

Reboots are necessary when a franchise is truly done, but it's stupid for everyone to discuss having a reboot after only a few films. Spider-Man 3 wasn't a great movie, but not bad enough to call for a reboot. We just saw his origins on film about seven or eight years ago, we don't need to see the same origins twice in a decade. I'll be glad to see this franchise continute to a possible sixth movie. After that happens, then we can talk about a reboot. Until then, I don't want to even hear Spider-Man & reboot in the same sentence again.

 

[spider-neil]

no studio in the world would reboot a franchise that has made 2 and a half BILLION from 3 movie. the bottom line for a movie studio is money the quality is an after thought and even if the quality of movie WERE of primary concern 2 out three movies have been excellent. not just good, excellent.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The Spider-man franchise is still healthy... and not even a decade old yet!

Despite the 3rd ones flaws, it still made a heck of alot of money. The demand for Spidey is there and will be for quite some time.

No need for a reboot yet at all!

 

[Venom'sDad]

I have not seen anyone is calling for a reboot. Some, like myself, have been calling for Sam's head.

 

[Venom 1988]

A better idea would be a Requel

 

[Etienne]

I just don't think the actors are "into it" anymore. Both Maguire and Dunst looked like they gave up for SM3, they phoned in their "performance". Maguire was out of shape (say what you will about Bale but at least the man was in extreme physical shape for both Begins and TDK) and Dunst acted like she was being held at gunpoint to promote the movie.

Bryce Dallas Howard, Topher Grace, and Thomas Haden had more enthusiasm for their characters (despite them being written poorly) and the movie than Maguire and Dunst could ever muster up.

To sum it up, Maguire and Dunst were just fulfilling their contractual obligations and the newcomers Bryce, Topher, and Thomas Haden were the only ones who seemed thrilled to be apart of the movie.

I don't know all the details but wasn't Maguire payed a very healthy sum to come back for SM4 and 5? Dunst was wrong for the part from the start.

A reboot with Anton Yelchin as Peter Parker/Spider-man could have been a great start to a potentially better Spider-man franchise.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Spiderman definitely doesn't need as reboot. It can be redeemed. Spiderman 3 sucked, but it was not as bad as say, Batman and Robin, or The Fantastic Four films.

 

[Scarlet spidey]

I just don't think the actors are "into it" anymore. Both Maguire and Dunst looked like they gave up for SM3, they phoned in their "performance". Maguire was out of shape (say what you will about Bale but at least the man was in extreme physical shape for both Begins and TDK) and Dunst acted like she was being held at gunpoint to promote the movie.

Bryce Dallas Howard, Topher Grace, and Thomas Haden had more enthusiasm for their characters (despite them being written poorly) and the movie than Maguire and Dunst could ever muster up.

To sum it up, Maguire and Dunst were just fulfilling their contractual obligations and the newcomers Bryce, Topher, and Thomas Haden were the only ones who seemed thrilled to be apart of the movie.

I don't know all the details but wasn't Maguire payed a very healthy sum to come back for SM4 and 5? Dunst was wrong for the part from the start.

A reboot with Anton Yelchin as Peter Parker/Spider-man could have been a great start to a potentially better Spider-man franchise.

This is how I feel, too. The Spider-Man Trilogy is good, great even.
But our main cast seems tired of it. And I'd honestly like to see how it'd be with a new cast, and possibly director.
I remember one thought that came to mind after watching SM3 was how well Topher Grace would have been as Peter Parker.
And recently after re-watching the trilogy I kinda wished they would have had a separate cast for the beginning of the first film (when they were in high school) because they all looked pretty darn old to be in High School.