Return of the Joker question.

[Sharkfestation]

I heard there was a deleted scene where Bruce's visit to the remains of Arkham to find clues on the Joker's return. He is unknowingly followed by Terry. Do any you guys have pictures of this scene or where I can see it?

 

[Noir]

Where did you hear this from?
As far as I know, this is just BS. (I could be, and probably am wrong.)

 

[Mladen]

wouldn't suprise me, but it wasn't mentioned on the dvd (and they included that other storyboarded but unanimated scene)... good chance they boarded it but never recorded dialogue for it (early cut). could be real, but probably not 'watchable'

 

[RobC]

Yeah, kinda like the Robin introduction in B89.

From what I heard the only things cut were a few bits of blood, BatGirl and Harley's fight, and some of the torture sequences.

But I could be wrong...

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Wow. Did anyone watch the special features?

Yes, such a scene was cut, technically. But it never got fully animated. The voices were recorded and the animatic version is on the DVD.

But I wish the scene had been left in. From what I understand about it, it ends with Bruce leaving Arkham in a hurry when he sees something. After Bruce leaves, Terry goes inside to see what Bruce saw. It appears to be the Joker's corpse, with "I Know" written on it, hanging from the celing.

 

[RobC]

Not everyone has time to watch special features, personally I've only seen the film in TV so I wouldn't know.

Sounds like a cool scene though, but a bit too adult for a cartoon movie, even one aimed at adults.

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

Wow. Did anyone watch the special features?

Yes, such a scene was cut, technically. But it never got fully animated. The voices were recorded and the animatic version is on the DVD.

But I wish the scene had been left in. From what I understand about it, it ends with Bruce leaving Arkham in a hurry when he sees something. After Bruce leaves, Terry goes inside to see what Bruce saw. It appears to be the Joker's corpse, with "I Know" written on it, hanging from the celing.

that's creepy.

 

[Noir]

the Batman TAS movies were always adult in feel.
Mask of the Phantasm was the best IMO.

 

[RobC]

Yeah they were adult in feel, but aimed at kids.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Well, the uncut ROTJ is PG-13, so it should've been able to get away with as much as the live action movies do.

 

[Sharkfestation]

My question was where can I see this scene?

 

[Mladen]

My question was where can I see this scene?

doclathorp is right. its on the dvd, dunno why i forgot it. its just storyboards tho. I think some dialogue is recorded over the top.

the joker corpse is a dummy i'm pretty sure.
there's another cut scene there too, conversation between Bruce and that other guy who is taking over Wayne-corp (who early on you're lead to suspect may be the Joker, since its Mark Hammill doing the voice for both, plus he has motive)

 

[RobC]

I don't agree with that, it may be a PG-13, but you can't argue that it's targeted at kids. Yeah, adults watch it, and it is adult subject matter, but any Batman cartoon is aimed squarely at kids.

 

[Mladen]

Well they have the 'cut' version of this film for a reason. the uncut story is much richer. personally i found it a much more fulfilling film than Mask of the Phantasm, which for me never quite mixed the prolonged flashbacks with the murder mystery plot in any really entertaining way.
Both films contained flashbacks, but Return of the Joker felt more like a complete larger story.

 

[RobC]

I prefered ROTJ, purely for that ten minutes when Barbara explained what happened to Joker. Pure Bat-Gold.

 

[Noir]

I'm going to get Crucified for this but, I've never seen the entire thing.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I don't agree with that, it may be a PG-13, but you can't argue that it's targeted at kids. Yeah, adults watch it, and it is adult subject matter, but any Batman cartoon is aimed squarely at kids.

It's not written for children, but it is written to be accesible for them. Something "aimed squarely at kids" would be Superfriends.

 

[RobC]

You can't say that a cartoon Batman isn't aimed at kids. By it's very existence it's aimed at kids. That's straight up the truth, cartoons are for kids, live action is for adults. That's how the world works. I don't neccesarily agree with it, I watch cartoons all the time, but thats just the world, cartoons are for kids.

I agree though, ROTJ is mainly for adults, but I guarantee that out of the number of people who've ever seen it, the majority are kids.

 

[Mladen]

I agree though, ROTJ is mainly for adults, but I guarantee that out of the number of people who've ever seen it, the majority are kids.

my guess would be that die-hard batman fans would have been the higher number of people to see it than kids.

 

[RobC]

In terms of audience share? Kids all the time. It's a cartoon. Not even everyone in this post has seen it, and we count ourselves as Batman fans. I guarantee, if you looked at the entire audience, everyone who'd *ever* seen it, winning majority would be kids. It's something I briefly covered in films studies before, it's about looking outside of your own perception. It's like saying Se7en is a serial killer flick, based on that fans of serial killers must be the people watching it. Nope.

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

my guess would be that die-hard batman fans would have been the higher number of people to see it than kids.

And, imagine! There are kids who are die-hard batfans.

 

[November Rain]

the arkham graveyard scene probably would have spoilt the fact that tim killed him.


it's better that they left it out and we are unaware of what became of him until then.

 

[RobC]

And, imagine! There are kids who are die-hard batfans.

You make a valid point...

 

[gqxsensazn]

Wow. Did anyone watch the special features?

Yes, such a scene was cut, technically. But it never got fully animated. The voices were recorded and the animatic version is on the DVD.

But I wish the scene had been left in. From what I understand about it, it ends with Bruce leaving Arkham in a hurry when he sees something. After Bruce leaves, Terry goes inside to see what Bruce saw. It appears to be the Joker's corpse, with "I Know" written on it, hanging from the celing.

That screams horror film and it sounds like such a great scene too.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

According to the script, it was a dummy made to look like the Joker's dead body. Not the actual body.