Ridin’ with Biden: Not a convicted felon

[Holy Slapper]

Well, yeah. There's a lot of things that are bad for you. But we shouldn't be banning them.

E-cigarettes definitely should. We're moving towards that in the EU.

 

[Marvolo]

E-cigarette's are bad for you, period. Cheap or expensive.

E-cigarette's definitely should. We're moving towards that in the EU.

Tobacco is worse for you. We shouldn't be banning less dangerous alternatives. We should be developing and providing safer nicotine devices. All this does is force people back to tobacco which increases health risks.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Nobody should be using either and the governments are moving to restrict cigarettes more as well.

Biden administration moves to restrict nicotine levels in tobacco products - CNN

 

[Holy Slapper]

Tobacco is worse for you. We shouldn't be banning less dangerous alternatives. We should be developing and providing safer nicotine devices. All this does is force people back to tobacco which increases health risks.

Is Vaping Better Than Smoking? No, Here’s Why. | Banner Health

 

[Marvolo]

Nobody should be using either and the governments are moving to restrict cigarettes more as well.

Biden administration moves to restrict nicotine levels in tobacco products - CNN

Which will cause people to use more tobacco every day to get the nicotine they want.

Nobody should be telling others what they can and can't put in their body. It should be a choice.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The government regulates the health and safety and availability of ALL products.

There's tons of stuff watered down because of regulations or not available at all.

This isn't new. It's been the case our entire lives.

 

[Marvolo]

Is Vaping Better Than Smoking? No, Here’s Why. | Banner Health

And all of those things are worse with cigarettes. You're confusing "less dangerous" with "entirely safe". Vaping isn't entirely safe. Just like caffeine products aren't entirely safe. But there are worse ways to consume both than vaping and drinking a soda.

I've used nicotine products for 14 years. Smoked 5 and vaped 9. Vaping doesn't set off my asthma, hasn't caused me upper respiratory infections, I haven't needed an inhaler or a nebulizer since I quit smoking, and I have far fewer sinus infections. So while I know it's not entirely safe, it is less dangerous than smoking tobacco.

As for cancer, live long enough and cancer is a guarantee and most things in life can cause it. Even mundane things like the aerosol in hairspray can cause throat cancer. I work outside 40 hours a week year round and skin cancer runs in my family, along with a host of other deadly health problems, so it's a race to see whoch kills me first.

The government regulates the health and safety and availability of ALL products.

There's tons of stuff watered down because of regulations or not available at all.

This isn't new. It's been the case our entire lives.

I dont see them banning caffeine products or regulating alcohol content in liquor. I don't see them banning fruit flavors in alcohol beverages.

 

[galmorzu]

Just a side question, but what would need to be done to effectively legalize recreational marijuana?

 

[Lily Adler]

Just a side question, but what would need to be done to effectively legalize recreational marijuana?

IIRC, it would still need to be through Congress. POTUS can attempt to reschedule marijuana but will have to go through DEA, AG, FDA, HHS.

 

[InCali]

Just a side question, but what would need to be done to effectively legalize recreational marijuana?

Move to California or any other number of states. Barring that, Congress passes law and POTUS signs it.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Is Vaping Better Than Smoking? No, Here’s Why. | Banner Health

To be completely honest, I really don't care. (And I find this particular brand of science dubious at best.) The job of a progressive government is to protect the citizens from exploitation by the powerful, not from their own choices. There are plenty of ordinary food and drinks that run just as high risk for adverse health effects as tobacco use. We're not trying to ban those. It's simply en vogue to target tobacco, a feel-good crusade for the elite to pretend like they care about us when it's really just an ultimately pointless facade that restricts our freedom of choice. And this is as someone whose already ****** lungs have never been interested in smoking.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Why not lower the nicotine limit in vapes and cigarettes instead of banning vapes completely but allowing cigarettes?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

PoliticalWire - [United States Attorney General] Merrick Garland Says States Can’t Ban Abortion Pills

Senator Elizabeth Warren calls on Biden to use federal lands to protect abortion access - The Boston Globe

Biden signs bipartisan gun safety bill into law: 'God willing, it's going to save a lot of lives' | CNN Politics



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[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Teelie]

The problem with e-cigs is they are a public health threat and worse they entice children to begin smoking so they have life long customers who are addicted to a dangerous substance and expensive habit.

Plain old regular cigarettes were and are on their way out. They are nowhere near as popular as they once were which is why e-cigarettes became the must-have alternative for the tobacco industry. Once they saw they could hook kids with the fruity flavors, the "cool" alternative look of "safe" smoking they knew it was going to stave off their demise.

Marijuana? It is not addictive and taking the generous stance that it is, not nearly as much as tobacco and the dozens of chemicals in it. Or e-cigarettes with it's own plethora of chemicals.

Nicotine just plain needs to be banned. Caffiene? Yes, it's addictive but I don't know of anyone who takes it and gets cancer as a result. Or COPD, or any other serious side effects.

Don't try pulling what about-ism on ****ing nicotine. There is only one other substance more dangerous than it that's legal and sugar is not being banned any time soon.

 

[squeekness]

The problem with e-cigs is they are a public health threat and worse they entice children to begin smoking so they have life long customers who are addicted to a dangerous substance and expensive habit.

Plain old regular cigarettes were and are on their way out. They are nowhere near as popular as they once were which is why e-cigarettes became the must-have alternative for the tobacco industry. Once they saw they could hook kids with the fruity flavors, the "cool" alternative look of "safe" smoking they knew it was going to stave off their demise.

Marijuana? It is not addictive and taking the generous stance that it is, not nearly as much as tobacco and the dozens of chemicals in it. Or e-cigarettes with it's own plethora of chemicals.

Nicotine just plain needs to be banned. Caffiene? Yes, it's addictive but I don't know of anyone who takes it and gets cancer as a result. Or COPD, or any other serious side effects.

Don't try pulling what about-ism on ****ing nicotine. There is only one other substance more dangerous than it that's legal and sugar is not being banned any time soon.

Smoking killed both of my parents. Cigarettes should have been banned ages ago.

 

[Lily Adler]

Smoking killed both of my parents. Cigarettes should have been banned ages ago.

Alcohol almost killed my brother and sometimes I want that banned. But then we would give rise to organized crime and nonregulated alcohol and tobacco products that could have god knows what in it.

 

[squeekness]

Alcohol almost killed my brother and sometimes I want that banned. But then we would give rise to organized crime and nonregulated alcohol and tobacco products that could have god knows what in it.

I know. It just makes me sad is all.

 

[Lily Adler]

Quick question how would Biden fair against Ron DeSantis?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

There were some old polls where DeSantis did worse than Trump due to name ID and not having the cult draw of Trump yet.

The best case scenario for the 2024 general election would be Biden v. DeSantis v. Trump. Biden would have a chance at Bill Clinton levels of Electoral Votes under that scenario.

 

[Lily Adler]

Republicans Think DeSantis More Likely Than Trump to Beat Biden: Poll

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Punisher_MAX]

Quick question how would Biden fair against Ron DeSantis?

Ideally the Dems would trot out someone better than the Mummy but everything is looking bleak.

DeSantis is awful and I'm annoyed just how popular he is with all the idiots here in FL.

 

[Iceman]

Biden says he backs filibuster changes to restore abortion rights. (saw on Bloomberg)

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

There's been hundreds of filibuster carveouts - including ones supported by Manchin and Sinema like for the recent debt ceiling hike. But Manchin and Sinema keep lying about it.