Robert Downey Jr. Is Dr. Doom / Victor Von Doom - "Same task, new mask"

[TheVileOne]

It’s weird because years ago, back when Fox had the rights, I was intrigued by Noah Hawley’s unmade Doom film, and that probably would have been better than what we’re getting now.

I was not. Doom is a villain and he shouldn't start off as the star of his own film. Introduce him as a villain first and go from there.

My other concern is doing this will lose Doom's connection to Reed and the Four.

That said, it's too early to make final judgments with what little we have to go on. My concerns still exist though. It does feel like Marvel Studios has had to jettison many of their plans and totally flip the script here.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It comes down to execution.

Ending a movie where the Avengers lose only to be saved with a time machine looks really stupid on paper.

No, that made sense. Time travel movies are as old as time. Spending an entire movie building up a villain for a crossover only to axe them for an unrelated character, which this Doom variant would be, makes no narrative sense. You can just spend 2 movies with 1 villain who is better developed. Sure, execution matters, but some concepts place you at a handicap that is needless. Your concept is just needlessly complicated, and thus bad storytelling

 

[Spider-Fan]

You mean like a Joker card at the end of Batmsn Begins?

Really? Teasing a bad guy for another movie is not the same thing as changing bad guys halfway into a story. Come on man, you have to understand the difference.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I could understand your pov if you were new to all this but you're not. You've been a member of this site for over 15 years. You've probably followed the production of countless movies. You should know the drill by now. How many times have you or someone else on this site think "Oh they would never do that, clearly they're doing this. Just watch" ? The simplest explanation is the actual explanation.

Yes I've experienced countless times where fanboy predictions turned out wrong which is why I'm saying we don't know what Marvel Studios will do.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yes I've experienced countless times where fanboy predictions turned out wrong which is why I'm saying we don't know what Marvel Studios will do.

Iron Doom's successor won't be a variant. He'll be the 616 Doom.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No, that made sense. Time travel movies are as old as time. Spending an entire movie building up a villain for a crossover only to axe them for an unrelated character, which this Doom variant would be, makes no narrative sense. You can just spend 2 movies with 1 villain who is better developed. Sure, execution matters, but some concepts place you at a handicap that is needless. Your concept is just needlessly complicated, and thus bad storytelling

Iron Doom is the main attraction for 2/3 of Doomsday. He doesn't need two movies.

The time machine plot for killing Thanos, grabbing the stones, fighting Thanos and putting the stones back is way messier.

 

[Kon]

See, now this I would have liked. But that's not what we're getting and Feige is desperate to regain good will at any cost. Which is ironic because audiences have been responding well to Deadpool & Wolverine.

To be fair, that's Deadpool & Wolverine, which are pretty popular characters. In itself, Feige only learns from this movie than the audience wants nostalgia and iconic characters.

The issue is the new Avengers aren't enough popular. So, they will need a character calling attention. For example: Doom played by RDJ.

 

[Arachnerd]

Messiah, your takes are confounding to me lol

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

@Venom 1988

Yes that's my prediction but I'm the only one saying we don't know what will happen, the script isn't done yet.

Any of this sound familiar?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Iron Doom is the main attraction for 2/3 of Doomsday. He doesn't need two movies.

The time machine plot for killing Thanos, grabbing the stones, fighting Thanos and putting the stones back is way messier.

Yeah, no. Just no. There is no universe in which this is true. If this is what you want, all the power to ya amigo. This idea ain't for me at all

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Messiah, your takes are confounding to me lol

I feel the same way about your confidence in your predictions that a variant won't be challenged by another Doom.

 

[Dark Raven]

So who else will RDJ play later down the line?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yeah, no. Just no. There is no universe in which this is true. If this is what you want, all the power to ya amigo. This idea ain't for me at all

Is there any scenario with Iron Doom you would actually like?

 

[Venom 1988]

@Venom 1988

Yes that's my prediction but I'm the only one saying we don't know what will happen, the script isn't done yet.

Any of this sound familiar?

Lol I mean you do you bro. Clearly this isn't getting through to you but that's fine I guess. If you want to get your hopes up by all means.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Is there any scenario with Iron Doom you would actually like?

It's a hard sell, but if you're doing Iron Doom, committ to it. At least I would be underwhelmed by 1 villain that's at least developed as opposed to getting 2 underdeveloped ones

 

[Arachnerd]

I feel the same way about your confidence in your predictions that a variant won't be challenged by another Doom.

One development is more realistically likely to happen than not, and it sure won't be RDJ Doom being killed off so another Doom takes the villain role in Secret Wars. You're stubbornly refusing to understand what peeps are pointing out here and repeating the same argument ad nauseam. This conversation is going in circles.

 

[Kon]

It's not risky but the fanbase is divided over it?

Wouldn't a safe bet be to do normal Doom instead of Iron Doom?

Honestly, a small sector seems to be divided. Most people seem to be excited about this decision.

A normal Doom will need to generate interest on the general audience to be a success. Instead, Doom played by RDJ automatically generate big interest between the general audience. That's why this current option is less risky.

 

[KBX]

I’m all for a wait and see approach. This isn’t how I would have done things but I’ve been around long enough where the biggest outraged turned into the best of ideas. This one will be no different

 

[Drizzle]

So who else will RDJ play later down the line?

Uncle Ben.

Actually, wait. He kind of already did.

 

[Arachnerd]

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Lol I mean you do you bro. Clearly this isn't getting through to you but that's fine I guess. If you want to get your hopes up by all means.

My main point is that we don't know what will happen but please do continue to hate a movie with no script.

 

[Kon]

No, that made sense. Time travel movies are as old as time. Spending an entire movie building up a villain for a crossover only to axe them for an unrelated character, which this Doom variant would be, makes no narrative sense. You can just spend 2 movies with 1 villain who is better developed. Sure, execution matters, but some concepts place you at a handicap that is needless. Your concept is just needlessly complicated, and thus bad storytelling

Not to mention the assumption Marvel will replace Iron Doom just because a small section of normal Doom fans want it seem weird.

It seems a lot more likely they will just enjoy all the money Iron Doom will bring for two movies.

 

[Venom 1988]

My main point is that we don't know what will happen but please do continue to hate a movie with no script.

If you've been paying attention to any of my posts, I never said I hated the movie. Only severly disappointed and critical of this casting news.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Honestly, a small sector seems to be divided. Most people seem to be excited about this decision.

A normal Doom will need to generate interest on the general audience to be a success. Instead, Doom played by RDJ automatically generate big interest between the general audience. That's why this current option is less risky.

Any place where nerds can comment you can see the hate train.

That can't be good from a marketing stand point.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Not to mention the assumption Marvel will replace Iron Doom just because a small section of normal Doom fans seem weird.

It seems a lot more likely they will just enjoy all the money Iron Doom will bring

Iron Doom I am sure is bringing the money. But like I said earlier, I care less about these movies making 100 billion dollars and more my enjoyment of the product. In this case, I am finding it hard to see a version of this where it blows me away and I love it. No amount of my complaining is going to force a change or make this movie fail. But I am by that same token not keeping my mouth shut