Robert Downey Jr. Is Dr. Doom / Victor Von Doom - "Same task, new mask"

[Lily Adler]

I wonder if they're going to be like Doom has his mask on and RDJ's voice will be modulated and then at the end of Fantastic Four we get him without the helmet to reveal RDJ.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's always possible RDJ will play a good Tony Stark/Iron Man variant in Secret Wars, while also playing Doom.

That way MCU could have their cake and eat it.

I am betting there will be a good Tony played by RDJ in Secret Wars. But most of his time will be spent as Doom between the 2 movies

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wonder if they're going to be like Doom has his mask on and RDJ's voice will be modulated and then at the end of Fantastic Four we get him without the helmet to reveal RDJ.

No, he will for sure have the mask until he gets the God Doom powers. Doom fixes his face once he absorbs the Beyonder's power in the OG Secret Wars. That's what will happen here. He will become god, fix his face, and stop wearing the mask

 

[Arachnerd]

I'll say this right now: he'll wear the mask for one scene in Doomsday and then never again. Considering recent news, I wholeheartedly believe this is what's going to happen considering RDJ's shameless vanity.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I'll say this right now: he'll wear the mask for one scene in Doomsday and then never again. Considering recent news, I wholeheartedly believe this is what's going to happen considering RDJ's shameless vanity.

To RDJ I'd say this. You can't tell me that you just love these characters and this story so much when you alone are paid over 100M dollars upfront. That limits which other actors/characters the production can bring aboard, it limits how much money the VFX companies get in order to bring this vision to life and so on.
You're getting paid over 100M dollars while Iman Vellani (who will likely be in these) is acting her little heart out and is getting scraps (she got around 500K for Ms. Marvel and The Marvels each). Is RDJ a bigger star than Iman Vellani? Absolutely. But the pay disparity is insane. Don't come here and tell me you're doing this for the love of the craft. This production would be much better off without you.

 

[Breogan]

The confusing thing was Downeys comments in June where he said he was surprisingly open to returning and playing Stark was in his blood, he loved that role, so to come back as someone [else] goes against his own comments, guess we will see what they have planned, just as some have said, most people identify RDJ as Stark and when they find out he is back and not Iron Man, i wonder if that will turn people off

Some need to accept this character isn't Doom, more a what-if fallen Tony Stark, vehicle for RDJ.
Which is actually a fine character to explore, that they are just (calling)$elling to you as Doom. (cause their multiverse allows for it)

And yeah as far as wearing the mask, if some are expecting a Hugo Weaving as V level performance, that emoted and carried a whole film fully masked.
That is not what you will see here. This well payed ego is not going to do most of his "acting" with the mask on.
Besides dramatic (I have arrived) walk in scenes, then quickly removing it, and tech fight scenes (which will again show the face inside), that pretty face and it's new beauty-scar, will be a mostly Maskless Doom.

Starting with the poster, he'll likely be holding it not wearing it.

They already own the character, they can do what they want with it, what they are paying for and selling you, is the actor.
They know their audience, and the mindless trained applause by the drones at the con, just affirms their decision.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Some need to accept this character isn't Doom, more a what-if fallen Tony Stark, vehicle for RDJ.
Which is actually a fine character to explore, that they are just (calling)$elling to you as Doom. (cause their multiverse allows for it)

And yeah as far as wearing the mask, if some are expecting a Hugo Weaving as V level performance, that emoted and carried a whole film fully masked.
That is not what you will see here, this well payed ego is not going to do most of his "acting" with the mask on.
Besides dramatic (I have arrived) walk in scenes, then quickly removing it, and tech fight scenes (which will again show the face inside), that pretty face and it's new beauty-scar, will be a mostly Maskless Doom.

Starting with the poster, he'll likely be holding it not wearing it.

Considering the ungodly sum they're paying him, I don't think the studio would allow him to keep the mask on even if he wanted to do it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am telling ya, he is going to wear it until he gets the God Doom power and then they will recreate the scene in Secret Wars where he takes the mask off and reveals he no longer has scars. Then he won't wear the mask anymore. I am extremely confident this will be the play

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I am telling ya, he is going to wear it until he gets the God Doom power and then they will recreate the scene in Secret Wars where he takes the mask off and reveals he no longer has scars. Then he won't wear the mask anymore. I am extremely confident this will be the play

That would be the reverse of what happens in the comic but I can see it playing out like this.

 

[BoredGuy]

Maybe thats the point of having RDJ?
God Doom fixes his face to make himself look like Earth's Greatest Hero

 

[Dark Raven]

Some need to accept this character isn't Doom, more a what-if fallen Tony Stark, vehicle for RDJ.
Which is actually a fine character to explore, that they are just (calling)$elling to you as Doom. (cause their multiverse allows for it)

And yeah as far as wearing the mask, if some are expecting a Hugo Weaving as V level performance, that emoted and carried a whole film fully masked.
That is not what you will see here. This well payed ego is not going to do most of his "acting" with the mask on.
Besides dramatic (I have arrived) walk in scenes, then quickly removing it, and tech fight scenes (which will again show the face inside), that pretty face and it's new beauty-scar, will be a mostly Maskless Doom.

Starting with the poster, he'll likely be holding it not wearing it.

They already own the character, they can do what they want with it, what they are paying for and selling you, is the actor.
And the mindless applause by the drones at the con, just affirms their decision.

How do we know Doom will have a hud display inside the mask like Iron Man? Doom's mask always seems more of a mask for covering his face than something very technologically advanced.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Maybe thats the point of having RDJ?
God Doom fixes his face to make himself look like Earth's Greatest Hero

I dont think he will make himself resemble Iron Man. You may just see characters comment on him looking like Tony and maybe they will say he is in fact a variant Tony, just with a different name and heritage. I don't see them being like "I like this Iron Man guy, I shall make myself look like him now" or anything like that.

 

[BoredGuy]

I dont think he will make himself resemble Iron Man. You may just see characters comment on him looking like Tony and maybe they will say he is in fact a variant Tony, just with a different name and heritage. I don't see them being like "I like this Iron Man guy, I shall make myself look like him now" or anything like that.

Idk, I mean, why not?

God Doom: "I saved you all and gave this planet utopia, and you spit in my face, you disrespect me and still see me as the Villain..."
Reveals RDJ face: "Is this your villain?"

Might make the everyday humans more compliant to follow who they believe to be Tony Stark

Just as valid (and cringey) as any other theory I've seen thrown around lol

If he just so happens to like kinda like Stark, that's even dumber, though the multiverse variant idea is probably the correct answer

 

[Comicbookguy339]

How do we know Doom will have a hud display inside the mask like Iron Man? Doom's mask always seems more of a mask for covering his face than something very technologically advanced.

Google "Infamous Iron Man". They'll probably go with that look.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Idk, I mean, why not?

God Doom: "I saved you all and gave this planet utopia, and you spit in my face, you disrespect me and still see me as the Villain..."
Reveals RDJ face: "Is this your villain?"

Might make the everyday humans more compliant to follow who they believe to be Tony Stark

Just as valid (and cringey) as any other theory I've seen thrown around lol

If he just so happens to like kinda like Stark, that's even dumber, though the multiverse variant idea is probably the correct answer

That scene is about as bad as that one from the fake Endgame leak where Hulk was like "My rematch is coming, I can feel it" lol! I have to believe we won't see something that utterly stupid on film

 

[BoredGuy]

That scene is about as bad as that one from the fake Endgame leak where Hulk was like "My rematch is coming, I can feel it" lol! I have to believe we won't see something that utterly stupid on film

Hey, thats just what immediately popped in my head, not pitching to be a writer on the film here
I'm sure a real writer with time, and RDJ to work off of, could make it work well
no need to be insulting about it

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hey, thats just what immediately popped in my head, not pitching to be a writer on the film here
I'm sure a real writer with time, and RDJ to work off of, could make it work well
no need to be insulting about it

I didn't mean your writing, I mean this scene as a concept is bad. If you thought I was insulting you, I apologize. I am more saying conceptually, I think this would play poorly regardless how they write it. Doom taking Tony's face as his own choice is just cringey. Aaron Sorkin ain't making that idea good either.

The larger issue is Doom's mask is a result of his own vanity, as is him showing off his fixed face. So this should be about his own vanity. Doom got the scars because of his own inability to admit his faults, and the mask is to shield away from people seeing his imperfection. Choosing to take the face of Tony Stark is just showing off how much the MCU and everyone else loves Tony. Doom wants people to worship HIM. So for a good Doom, this is bad character writing. We should be focusing on Doom as a character, not make it some meta commentary on how much the MCU misses Tony. Doom is going to erect statues in his OWN image. Not those of someone else. Same with his face.

 

[Ironfan72]

Google "Infamous Iron Man". They'll probably go with that look.

While i get what you are saying, Dooms motivation in infamous Iron man was Tony was dead and he felt the world needed Iron man, and in his own way, he was honoring a man he respected but also atoning for his own bad deeds, at the end of the day in that story, he was still Victor Von Doom and didnt look like Tony, just wore a combination of his Doom look and Iron man, this casting of RDJ is hard to figure by marvel, if it is simply to get people back because its RDJ and not what people wanted if he did return and not playing Tony Stark, then many fans will pass, IMO, we see how it is in the fan community, its confusing to everyone and we actually follow this, the casual fan who knew RDJ as Stark now seeing him, in the same universe a few years removed from end game and numerous referrences to Tony in Spider-man, and other shows, as Dr. Doom a completely different person who just happens to look and sound exactly as Tony, thats a heck of a leap of faith for some who adored him as Tony Stark, so again, whatever their plan is for him it better be worth the effort of trying to convince alot of fans to buy into this, especially when there are other actors who would have done this cheaper and as well.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

While i get what you are saying, Dooms motivation in infamous Iron man was Tony was dead and he felt the world needed Iron man, and in his own way, he was honoring a man he respected but also atoning for his own bad deeds, at the end of the day in that story, he was still Victor Von Doom and didnt look like Tony, just wore a combination of his Doom look and Iron man, this casting of RDJ is hard to figure by marvel, if it is simply to get people back because its RDJ and not what people wanted if he did return and not playing Tony Stark, then many fans will pass, IMO, we see how it is in the fan community, its confusing to everyone and we actually follow this, the casual fan who knew RDJ as Stark now seeing him, in the same universe a few years removed from end game and numerous referrences to Tony in Spider-man, and other shows, as Dr. Doom a completely different person who just happens to look and sound exactly as Tony, thats a heck of a leap of faith for some who adored him as Tony Stark, so again, whatever their plan is for him it better be worth the effort of trying to convince alot of fans to buy into this, especially when there are other actors who would have done this cheaper and as well.

I just think they'll use that design to drive home the Iron Man connection.

 

[Ironfan72]

I just think they'll use that design to drive home the Iron Man connection.

I can see that, again it really hinges on what exactly Marvel is planning here, they are paying RDJ and the Russos a crap ton of money for them to convince audiances that the guy who was the face of the MCU for ten years is back and he aint Tony

 

[Boom]

The Russo Bros' and RDJ's salaries make this so much worse. A "trailer encampment." LMAO

Pay no heed to the starving, underpaid VFX artists working 90-hour weeks there in the back.

 

[Arachnerd]

 

[AndrewGilkison]

This quote from the Sneider article is something I've also thought about since this announcement.

All I know is that there will be more people in the theater because Robert Downey Jr. is in the movie — the role is inconsequential. But… if he is simply playing Doom, could someone else show up as Iron Man? The mind reels!

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I've tried to sit with this announcement for a few days. Frankly, I'm pretty nonplussed with this casting news. I love RDJ. And I'm sure there's a broad, all-encompassing vision behind all of it. Marvel traditionally doesn't miss the mark with their casting decisions, so I'm going to remain open-minded. But for now, I'm kinda like...

 

[lenz]

I look forward to D23 next week where someone can ask Feige about the reaction online.