Drama Rocky/Creed Cinematic Universe Thread

I can’t see him going full on villain. Wouldn’t surprise me if Adonis loses to him but they rekindle their friendship.
 
Early hype is always overblown. Plus Jordan has never directed a movie before, and definitely not one this size.
 
and by all accounts he's the best villain in the entire ROCKY franchise.
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Calm down lol

Look, I love all of these films. But wait a couple of years to proclaim such a thing.
 
Villain is an iffy word to use for this franchise. Besides a couple exceptions like Clubber Lang, Drago in IV, and Tommy Gunn, the Rocky/Creed franchise doesn't really have villains, they're mostly just opponents not setting out to do anything more than to defeat Rocky/Adonis in the ring.
 
DarkKnight88 said:
Calm down lol

Look, I love all of these films. But wait a couple of years to proclaim such a thing.
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To be fair, as memorable as a lot of the villains in this franchise are, they aren’t exactly the most well written, as they're mostly meant to be just foils to Rocky, so it’s not exactly a high bar and that hard to write a villain better than them.

Apollo Creed was a good and memorable antagonist, but he was more of a goal and a means to an end. Clubber Lang was basically just a two-dimensional, angry, dark shadow of Rocky. Drago was more of a force of nature than an actual character. Tommy Gunn was…there. I can’t even remember who the antagonist in Rocky Balboa was. Ricky Conlan was probably the best written antagonist we’ve had so far in this franchise overall, and even he wasn’t super memorable and got little screen time/character development.

I know that it sounds like hyperbole, but, with the examples that I listed, when I hear that he’s probably the best antagonist we’ve had so far in the franchise, I'm inclined to believe it. There is objectively more room for improvement in that department.
 
Fair enough. And Jonathan Majors I guess is the first "real" actor to play Rocky's opponent as the previous ones were athletes/bodyguards/actual boxers turned actors.

But there's still a lot to go in terms of being the "best" of the series. And yes, the writing has a lot to be desired in the later sequels, but think more longevity. It's their entire persona. We're still quoting them today. Drago was even used again because of how memorable he was. Mr. T built an entire career off of his role. They became icons.
 
DarkKnight88 said:
Fair enough. And Jonathan Majors I guess is the first "real" actor to play Rocky's opponent as the previous ones were athletes/bodyguards/actual boxers turned actors.

But there's still a lot to go in terms of being the "best" of the series. And yes, the writing has a lot to be desired in the later sequels, but think more longevity. It's their entire persona. We're still quoting them today. Drago was even used again because of how memorable he was. Mr. T built an entire career off of his role. They became icons.
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I would agree that the original Rocky franchise produced some of the more memorable antagonists in this franchise, and that we haven’t really had one that memorable since Rocky 4. A lot of that had to do with their personas at the time of playing those characters and how big their personalities were. When your character is lacking in the writing department, a big, memorable performance can go a long way in making up for that.

I do think, though, with how big of a screen presence Jonathan Majors is, there is definitely potential for him to be the most memorable of the Creed franchise, as well as the best written antagonist overall. With this and the next Ant-Man film next year, he’s for sure going to have quite the popularity boost.

I think we can all agree that in terms of writing and memorability, Tommy Gunn objectively fails at both. The antagonist in Rocky Balboa is probably a close second, because I can’t even remember what he did in that movie. :funny:
 
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I think we can all agree that in terms of writing and memorability, Tommy Gunn objectively fails at both. The antagonist in Rocky Balboa is probably a close second, because I can’t even remember what he did in that movie. :funny:
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lol poor Tommy Gunn. That's actually one where I think the writing was actually there for a compelling, three dimensional character, but Tommy Morrison was just not a good actor lol It needed someone to be able to convey more than one emotion.

And yeah, Mason "The Line" Dixon, they gave a few moments here and there with his trainer and him being considered a joke. Though it came off as Apollo Creed-lite from Rocky II. And yeah, Antonio Carver just didn't have a lot of presence on screen unfortunately.
 
DarkKnight88 said:
lol poor Tommy Gunn. That's actually one where I think the writing was actually there for a compelling, three dimensional character, but Tommy Morrison was just not a good actor lol It needed someone to be able to convey more than one emotion.

And yeah, Mason "The Line" Dixon, they gave a few moments here and there with his trainer and him being considered a joke. Though it came off as Apollo Creed-lite from Rocky II. And yeah, Antonio Carver just didn't have a lot of presence on screen unfortunately.
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I think the one good thing about Rocky V is that it gave us an example of how not to do a “Rocky mentors promising, hungry young fighter” film, which Creed tremendously succeeds at to perfection, probably from learning from the mistakes of that film.
 
TheWiseGuy487 said:
I would agree that the original Rocky franchise produced some of the more memorable antagonists in this franchise, and that we haven’t really had one that memorable since Rocky 4. A lot of that had to do with their personas at the time of playing those characters and how big their personalities were. When your character is lacking in the writing department, a big, memorable performance can go a long way in making up for that.

I do think, though, with how big of a screen presence Jonathan Majors is, there is definitely potential for him to be the most memorable of the Creed franchise, as well as the best written antagonist overall. With this and the next Ant-Man film next year, he’s for sure going to have quite the popularity boost.

I think we can all agree that in terms of writing and memorability, Tommy Gunn objectively fails at both. The antagonist in Rocky Balboa is probably a close second, because I can’t even remember what he did in that movie. :funny:
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I remember seeing Rocky V in the theater. I was only like 10 years old at the time. And all I could think was, “Wait, his is name actually Tommy Gun? Seriously?”
 
As far as opponents go, he will probably will be the most developed and not just some final boss Creed or Rocky needs to beat.
 
Yeah, Coogler has a story credit along with his brother who co-wrote the screenplay.
 
This looks awesome and between this and playing Kang in the MCU I don't see why Jonathan Majors can't breakout and become next big thing considering how insanely talented he is.

Loving the dedication, he put into his physical transformation for this and just seeing him share the screen with someone on MBJ's level should make this a pretty special movie in its own right.
 
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