Rocky spin-off "Creed". Michael B. Jordan. Sylvester Stallone.

[dark_b]

Everyone is saying that he is a boxer. i only found instagram images.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Plenty of high profile boxers over the years have trained their sons and lots of them in turn have been high profile, so I don't see why the idea of Drago and his son doing the same is so unbelievable or hokey. While we don't yet know what happened to Drago after losing in IV (Lundgren always had this idea that Drago got sent to a Siberian Gulag) whats to say he wasn't still within the world of boxing. Most high profile boxers dont't just disappear after losing one fight (unless they're named Clubber Lang ). Ultimately, there are lots of back story possibilities and all I know is that I've waited years to find out what (officially) happened to Drago.

Of the guy who looks to have been cast - he certainly has the physique but has no real similarity to Dolph, which is disappointing. I dunno, I guess I expected the offspring of Lundgren and Neilsen to look a little more like them. More nordic. Although as I said we dont know what happened to Drago so I'm only assuming that Ludmilla is the mother; Drago may well have had his son with another woman - maybe Ludmilla left him after his defeat - she certainly seemed like a scheming, power-hungry broad who would'nt live with Drago's 'shame' easily.

 

[TheVileOne]

Plenty of high profile boxers over the years have trained their sons and lots of them in turn have been high profile, so I don't see why the idea of Drago and his son doing the same is so unbelievable or hokey. While we don't yet know what happened to Drago after losing in IV (Lundgren always had this idea that Drago got sent to a Siberian Gulag) whats to say he wasn't still within the world of boxing. Most high profile boxers dont't just disappear after losing one fight (unless they're named Clubber Lang ). Ultimately, there are lots of back story possibilities and all I know is that I've waited years to find out what (officially) happened to Drago.

Of the guy who looks to have been cast - he certainly has the physique but has no real similarity to Dolph, which is disappointing. I dunno, I guess I expected the offspring of Lundgren and Neilsen to look a little more like them. More nordic. Although as I said we dont know what happened to Drago so I'm only assuming that Ludmilla is the mother; Drago may well have had his son with another woman - maybe Ludmilla left him after his defeat - she certainly seemed like a scheming, power-hungry broad who would'nt live with Drago's 'shame' easily.

My problem with it is that it sounds goofy. I like Rocky IV, but it's also a product of its times. It feels like with this plot they are trying to rehash it, which I don't think will work in 2018-2019.

Like Apollo Creed died fighting Ivan Drago. OK, so is some form of cosmic redemption to have to fight Drago's son? I mean, it is sort of ridiculous. I think they are just going to try to rehash the original, with everyone not liking Russia now because of Putin and hacking. Instead of the 1980s which was still during the Cold War and communist regimes.

 

[Aximili86]

Ehh, Brian - take the photo of the guy on the last page: dye his hair blonde (maybe even the cheesy Street Fighter Guile haircut ) , and there's enough of a resemblance to Lundgren. It'll help if the dude's Dolph levels of crazy-tall, too.

It'll be fine. Not like Jordan really looks like Weathers, either.

And Vile, that's probably the whole reason they chose to do another Drago thing, the whole Russian resurgence lately. No, they're not communist anymore, but you've got this whole Putin-fueled "glory days!" stuff going on, biker gangs getting into politics, "reunified Russia!" rhetoric, all that stuff.

Thematically, it's pretty fitting for now. I'd rather it be a Drago than a son of Lang or whoever the forgettable dudes from 5 and Balboa were.

 

[TheVileOne]

Ehh, Brian - take the photo of the guy on the last page: dye his hair blonde (maybe even the cheesy Street Fighter Guile haircut ) , and there's enough of a resemblance to Lundgren. It'll help if the dude's Dolph levels of crazy-tall, too.

It'll be fine. Not like Jordan really looks like Weathers, either.

And Vile, that's probably the whole reason they chose to do another Drago thing, the whole Russian resurgence lately. No, they're not communist anymore, but you've got this whole Putin-fueled "glory days!" stuff going on, biker gangs getting into politics, "reunified Russia!" rhetoric, all that stuff.

Thematically, it's pretty fitting for now. I'd rather it be a Drago than a son of Lang or whoever the forgettable dudes from 5 and Balboa were.

Yeah it's not going to work like it did in the 1980s. Not to mention, it seems like people are already forgetting the ending. It just seems like they are forcing this story to recapture that magic.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Vile, I get where you are coming from. That being said, it is no really illogical. Apollo Creed died as a boxer, and the man who killed him is a boxer. Now Adonis is a boxer, therefore he has access to the world his father lived in. With it being a global sport, I can see where having the rare opportunity to face your father's murderer makes sense. The whole fight with Draggo's son will no doubt be played off as a way to get even with the man who killed his father. It's not the most ridiculous of sequel ideas, in reality.

 

[Loki882]

I kind of hope that Drago isn't an out and out villain this time around. Given where his character ends up at the end of IV, I always imagined him as being rather regretful and contemplative about what happened.

Also if you're doing a movie series about Apollo Creed's son, and Dolph Lundgren is experienced a bit of a career resurgence these days, then having Adonis confront/meet the man who killed his father in the ring, actually makes a lot of sense.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Anyone watch Dolph's 1994 Pentathlon movie? Its about an athlete who defects from an oppressive regime to America and works (if memory serves) as a short-order cook. He lets himself go, gaining a gut through eating lime ****, smoking and drinking andI remember watching that and almost imagining that character as Drago. It was also the movie that made me realise that Dolph can act worth a damn, given the chance.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I kind of hope that Drago isn't an out and out villain this time around. Given where his character ends up at the end of IV, I always imagined him as being rather regretful and contemplative about what happened.

Also if you're doing a movie series about Apollo Creed's son, and Dolph Lundgren is experienced a bit of a career resurgence these days, then having Adonis confront/meet the man who killed his father in the ring, actually makes a lot of sense.

My hope is that Adonis goes into it thinking about nothing more than sticking it to Draggo, only to see he is not quite the monster he imagined.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Yep, a truly remorseful but conflicted Drago would be great to see.

 

[DeadStroke]

Yep, a truly remorseful but conflicted Drago would be great to see.

Probably not cool to steal ideas (even though this movie borrowed heavily from Rocky) I'd basically make him the Nick Nolte character from Warrior. Drago is in bad shape and training his kid is the best way for him to make a connection. Meanwhile he's still dealing with grief from stuff years ago.

 

[RockSP]

Anyone watch Dolph's 1994 Pentathlon movie? Its about an athlete who defects from an oppressive regime to America and works (if memory serves) as a short-order cook. He lets himself go, gaining a gut through eating lime ****, smoking and drinking andI remember watching that and almost imagining that character as Drago. It was also the movie that made me realise that Dolph can act worth a damn, given the chance.

Okay I'm clueless as to what he was eating, lol. No curse word I can think of makes sense in that sentence. Somebody let me know without getting infracted.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I literally have no idea how the word 'lime' got in there; was just meant to be plain ol' *****. Lime. WTF?! haha.

 

[Aximili86]

I kind of hope that Drago isn't an out and out villain this time around. Given where his character ends up at the end of IV, I always imagined him as being rather regretful and contemplative about what happened.

Right, but this is his kid, not him. Who knows, maybe it's a bit of a mirror to Apollo in that he was sleeping around or whatever, the kid never knew him, or Ivan was in his life but the kid basically sees him as some western-sympathetic p*ssy or whatever.

Gets caught up in the whole Putin thing, sees daddy as selling out/failing the Motherland blah blah blah.

Obviously it's not as strong as 1985 U.S. V.S. Soviets super-happy-fun-time, but it makes sense they'd play around with these themes. There'd be nothing really there with a Lang descendent or the other guys, if you're really set on doing a callback to the old movies with an opponent a Drago is the way to go.

 

[TheVileOne]

Vile, I get where you are coming from. That being said, it is no really illogical. Apollo Creed died as a boxer, and the man who killed him is a boxer. Now Adonis is a boxer, therefore he has access to the world his father lived in. With it being a global sport, I can see where having the rare opportunity to face your father's murderer makes sense. The whole fight with Draggo's son will no doubt be played off as a way to get even with the man who killed his father. It's not the most ridiculous of sequel ideas, in reality.

I'm just skeptical they can make that story work. The fact that he's fighting the son of the boxer who killed his father. It just feels like bargain bin sequel writing. I expect stuff like that from Sniper Part 7.

Liberals and progressives hate Russia now, so maybe it will work for them on that level. We may not be in a Cold War with Russia, and technically Russia is an ally on paper, but there is a group of Americans that sees them as an enemy.

But I just don't get how you get this plot to work based off how the fourth Rocky ended. Just the very idea of Adonis fighting for some sort of cosmic redemption for his father against a man who had nothing to do with his father's death is absurd. And you know they are going to make it into that. They are going to play off of "Oh the last time a Creed was in the ring with a Drago, Creed died!" IMHO, that's really cheap, unoriginal writing.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

Yep, a truly remorseful but conflicted Drago would be great to see.

That's what I wanted. Even him helping training Adonis against his son, but sadly the casting calls for Vitor Drago mentioned how Ivan was training him, and was using him to avenge his honor. Also Vitor sends people into caskets like dear old dad, so I'm sure I'll love seeing him get messed up.

I'm sure the movie will still rule.

 

[TheVileOne]

The problem I have with that is by the end of the movie, Drago was turning on his Russian bosses and saying he fights for himself. He seemed to have a grudging respect for Balboa as the man who defeated him. Also, how does his son beating Creed's son avenge his slighted honor?

 

[Loki882]

Yeah I mean he had been used by the system his whole life, roided himself up to be the best, and in the end realized this and told his handlers to get lost because he was fighting for himself now. And in the end, he still lost but gained respect for Rocky in the end.

If he was angry at anyone for "losing his honor" it should be at the system, not Rocky himself. Him being a villain here just wouldn't feel like a logical progression for his character imo.

 

[DeadStroke]

Credit to MBJ. He's starting to get bulked up like Carl Weathers.

I ask Jordan about the status of Creed 2, and he gives a big shrug of his shoulders.


“I don’t know,” he says. “We’re developing it. It’s one of those things—it’s always harder to make the sequel. We’ve got to make sure it’s done right and isn’t rushed.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/michae...ckbuster-roleas-a-villain-1516189941?mod=e2fb

 

[wampa1]

I think it would be cool to see Creed as the antagonist for the majority of the film, trying to goad and cajole Drago's son into a match, who initially wants no part of the inevitable circus that would follow the story. He'd eventually agree (maybe after some underhanded tactics by Adonis) but would then hand Creed his ass in the match and his career takes off. He would then start goading Adonis, thanking him (mockingly) for his success. It would be a good lesson for Adonis, who would then have to work his way up to the rematch.

 

[TheVileOne]

LOL at Black Panther being his first blockbuster.

 

[Aximili86]

Seems pretty accurate. :P Are we really counting F4? Haha.

Creed, successful, don't know about "blockbuster" though. Fruitvale Station wasn't.

 

[terry78]

Semantics.

 

[flickchick85]

LOL at Black Panther being his first blockbuster.

He's just joining the world in our shared delusion that F4 never existed.

 

[RockSP]

Technically BP will be his first blockbuster. FF was a failed attempt at one