Schwarzenegger leads Angelides by 17 points

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SACRAMENTO - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's lead over Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides has swelled to 17 points in recent weeks as he's struck popular deals to cut greenhouse gas emissions and increase the minimum wage, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

The nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California found 48 percent of likely voters surveyed support Schwarzenegger; 31 percent back Angelides.

The results, if accurate, represent a 4-point gain for Schwarzenegger from last month's PPIC poll.

The poll, a telephone survey of 1,091 likely voters conducted Sept. 13-20, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

In July and August, PPIC pegged Schwarzenegger's lead at 13 points. Another statewide survey, the Field Poll, last put Schwarzenegger's lead at 8 points in July.

Fifteen percent of likely voters still remain undecided and six percent support third party candidates six weeks before the election, according to the PPIC poll.

Mark Baldassare, PPIC's research director, said the poll showed that the Democratic nominee has yet to rally key party constituencies.

Less than less than 60 percent of registered Democrats responding said they would vote for Angelides if the election were held now.

Specifically, Baldassare said Angelides must win over more Democrats, women, and Hispanics if he's going to seriously challenge the governor on Nov. 7.

Baldassare said one statistic from the poll best sums up Angelides' woes: Among likely voters in the state who disapprove of President Bush, Angelides holds a modest, 16-point lead.

"Angelides needs to be leading by a much larger margin in that category to make this a really close race," Baldassare said.

Nick Papas, a spokesman for the Angelides campaign, said the focus should not be on Angelides' numbers, but on Schwarzenegger's. Papas said the poll suggests Schwarzenegger has hit a ceiling and won't be able win over more than 50 percent of the state's voters.

"It's not good news for an incumbent governor known by 100-percent of the state to be stuck under 50 percent," Papas said. "His attempt to co-opt Democratic issues has had little effect."

Schwarzenegger adviser Matthew Dowd said the real story line is the governor's growing lead.

"What's important is the trend line - six weeks out our lead is growing," Dowd said. "At a time when the Angelides camp has been running their campaign as intensely as they can, he still hasn't consolidated his base, hasn't connected with voters and is losing ground."

Dowd attributed the growing lead in the poll to a combination of Schwarzenegger's bipartisan successes and to an increasingly clear contrast between the messages of the two campaigns.

"We're focused on the economy and the governor is doing things that show he's a leader," Dowd said. "Meanwhile, Angelides is talking about Iraq and other things that voters are wondering why a candidate for governor in California is talking about."

Angelides on Tuesday continued touting a plan to push President Bush to withdraw California's National Guard troops from Iraq.

The poll credited Schwarzenegger's lead to strong support from Republicans (82 percent) and a 15-point advantage among independents. Forty-two percent of independents said they would vote for Schwarzenegger; 27 percent said they would support Angelides.

Angelides has the backing of just 57 percent of Democrats, according to the poll.

Geographically, Schwarzenegger also holds a key lead over Angelides in Los Angeles - 41 percent of respondents in the state's largest city say the would vote for the movie star-turned-politician; 34 percent said they would support Angelides.

In the historic Democrat stronghold of the San Francisco Bay area, the two candidates are tied, according to the poll.

Papas promised that the Angelides campaign is entering a new phase in which voters will learn more about the Democrat's vision for the state.

Dowd said Angelides camp is running out of time to do so.
 
Let this be a lesson to Democrats (and Republicans, too). If anyone can learn anything out of Phil's idiotic aborted fetus of a campaign, it's that:
1. Voters are not idiots. We won't tolerate campaigns based solely on the premise: "Elect me only because the other guy stumped for Bush." And just because you are a Democrat, doesn't make you a shoe in. You still need to EARN our VOTE.
2. Raising taxes is and will always be a losing platform, especially when we will never see the results of these tax hikes. I pay enough for bridge fare (going up next year), property taxes are outrageous, water bills have been raised, the garbage collection bill has gone up, sales taxes have gone up, and yet BART is still empty, the roads are still broken, money is being flushed down the toilet for feel good junk, and the schools still suck.
So far, that's the only thing Phil's platform stood for from earlier this year: More Taxes. Sure he "hee'd and haw'd" around the issue recently, but... Phil, you made your bed, now lay in it and reap the rewards, you LOSER.
3. Voters don't like political hacks. Never have, never will. Arnold is infinitely more likeable, and vastly more positive - even in the face of crushing defeat. You remember last year after his initiatives failed, how happy he was that California voters where heard, even if he was wrong? I admire that in a governor. So do a lot of voters.
Rest in Peace Phil Angelides. Go join your pal Gray Davis in the great big dustbin of losers. Why the **** cant California get a decent Democrat candidate???!!! Mark Warner where are you?
 
Well good, Angelides reminded me of a creepy old guy I used to know and I don't think I could've watched him for four years.
 
Wolfwood said:
Well good, Angelides reminded me of a creepy old guy I used to know and I don't think I could've watched him for four years.
Im a democrat but I would never vote on a guy that looks like this!

216433-0412angelides.jpg



For the record I voted for Steve Wesley during the Democratic Primary.
 
NOFX said:
Im a democrat but I would never vote on a guy that looks like this!

216433-0412angelides.jpg



For the record I voted for Steve Wesley during the Democratic Primary.

seriously, I always vote on looks, it's the smart thing to do :up:
 
Mr Sparkle said:
seriously, I always vote on looks, it's the smart thing to do :up:
LOL! No seriously all he's done is talk **** about Bush! And bringing our troops home. WTF does that have to do with helping California?
 
NOFX said:
LOL! No seriously all he's done is talk **** about Bush! And bringing our troops home. WTF does that have to do with helping California?

:huh: around San Diego (a navy town) bringin back the troops is a huge Issue (with camp pendleton nearby) and to be fair, he has some interesting proposals, too bad they include taxes, he'll never get elected now.
 
NOFX said:
LOL! No seriously all he's done is talk **** about Bush! And bringing our troops home. WTF does that have to do with helping California?

Nothing. He should be more concerned about earhtquakes and other state problems.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
:huh: around San Diego (a navy town) bringin back the troops is a huge Issue (with camp pendleton nearby) and to be fair, he has some interesting proposals, too bad they include taxes, he'll never get elected now.
Yea he's trying to bring the National guard home which I think is a good thing but we have bigger problems. Besides the Governor doenst have the power to bring them home anyways right? I think he's trying to sue Bush or something. And lastly those tax increases are a killer no matter what your politcal party is!
 
NOFX said:
Yea he's trying to bring the National guard home which I think is a good thing but we have bigger problems. Besides the Governor doenst have the power to bring them home anyways right? I think he's trying to sue Bush or something. And lastly those tax increases are a killer no matter what your politcal party is!

pehaps. frankly, I think they are both horrible.
 
ahnold should be president.

instead of debates, there should be fistfights.
 
The Riddler said:
ahnold should be president.

instead of debates, there should be fistfights.

he would lose, he has a girly stomach now:csad:
 
NOFX said:
LOL! No seriously all he's done is talk **** about Bush! And bringing our troops home. WTF does that have to do with helping California?

For me, it's some of the questionable things that have come up during Angelides' campaign. It's still not clear whether or not his people hacked a site to get audio of Arnold's remarks. Then there was some of the things that came up when he was running against Westly.

His creepiness just kind of adds to it. :(
 
:csad: I fear Arnold is pro-nuke.

Letrz nuk those bastards.

:csad: terrible Anrod imnpression.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
he would lose, he has a girly stomach now:csad:
you have no sense in you.

a deteriorated arnold is still arnold.

he could still beat the crap out of dubya, easily.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
pehaps. frankly, I think they are both horrible.
Arnold does have liberal ideals and at times have disagreed with Bush!

-Global Warming is a priority to him! While most republicans thinks its a myth
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/008200609270901.htm
- Pro Gay Marriage

- Pro Stem Cell Research

- Supports troops to come home

- Not a Christian!!!

- Pro-Choice
I think he's done a solid job and a great comeback after his special elections last year in which I thought was going to cost him his job
 
NOFX said:
Arnold does have liberal ideals and at times have disagreed with Bush!

-Global Warming is a priority to him! While most republicans thinks its a myth
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/008200609270901.htm
- Pro Gay Marriage

- Pro Stem Cell Research

- Supports troops to come home

- Not a Christian!!!

- Pro-Choice
I think he's done a solid job and a great comeback after his special elections last year in which I thought was going to cost him his job

:up:
 
The Riddler said:
ahnold should be president.

instead of debates, there should be fistfights.
They need to amend the law if your a citizen you can run for president regardless if you werent born in this country.
 
NOFX said:
They need to amend the law if your a citizen you can run for president regardless if you werent born in this country.
yeah, citizen after a set number of years.
 
Arnold is a joke, and this guy had no platform. California is screwed yet again.
 
Matt said:
Arnold is a joke, and this guy had no platform. California is screwed yet again.

Better than the New York Senate race. The Republicans are just trying to make Hillary look bad and well, we have Hillary. Someone who wasn't even from New York when she ran and someone who is a complete phoney who uses her husband's name to gain power.

At least the governors race has Spitzer. I like his ideas and I will be voting for him in November. And the Republicans have no platform at all. Period.
 

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