Sentry: Civil War and New Avengers #24...

[yahman]

Really? Just the Collective? What about when he couldn't handle Genis-Vell, who was suffering from cosmic awareness overload at the time, no less? I think he's definitely less powerful. How much less, I don't know, but given how inconsistent he's become, I'd say no one at Marvel knows, either.

I agree entirely, although i think his fight with Gennis wasn't that unimpressive, especially when you consider how powerful Gennis was. Some of the last dialogue with the Void during the lastest Jenkins mini suggests (Like Gladiator)that Sentrys powers are linked to his mental confidence. This was then later on confirmed in the lastest marvel Handbook.

 

[bkhedr]

The Sentry seems to have settled into a niche where he is to the MU what Superman is to the DCU. Not truly cosmic or anything, but the unquestionably the most powerful being on the planet.

At least thats how I see it. That's also what I thought Jenkins was getting at in the flashback issues of the first Sentry mini. But maybe its just me.

In any case, for what its worth I say forget Gladiator and Hyperion (much as I like them), Marvel finaly has their Superman (not that I mean he is a Superman clone but he fills that role if you know what I mean)

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree entirely, although i think his fight with Gennis wasn't that unimpressive, especially when you consider how powerful Gennis was. Some of the last dialogue with the Void during the lastest Jenkins mini suggests (Like Gladiator)that Sentrys powers are linked to his mental confidence. This was then later on confirmed in the lastest marvel Handbook.

Yeah, but Doombringer was saying he should've had an easier time against the Collective, a dude who has 90% of the mutant powers on Earth. If he couldn't stand up to Genis too well, how should he have had an easier time against the Collective?

The confidence thing is neither here nor there. It's just a quick write-off for why different writers portray the Sentry at vastly different power levels.

 

[yahman]

The Sentry seems to have settled into a niche where he is to the MU what Superman is to the DCU. Not truly cosmic or anything, but the unquestionably the most powerful being on the planet.

At least thats how I see it. That's also what I thought Jenkins was getting at in the flashback issues of the first Sentry mini. But maybe its just me.

In any case, for what its worth I say forget Gladiator and Hyperion (much as I like them), Marvel finaly has their Superman (not that I mean he is a Superman clone but he fills that role if you know what I mean)

He's hardly justified the notion that he's the most powerful being on the planet. I mean the likes of Zemo and Thor(When he returns)or even Beta Ray Bill, would probably have a greater claim to that title.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It seemed as if the heroes all accepted the Sentry as far more powerful than Thor in the original mini-series. Thor was right there alongside the other heroes when the Void came calling, and they all still seemed to think it was completely hopeless to believe they stood a chance.

 

[Darthphere]

****, I really hate what these people are doing with Sentry.

 

[Doombringer]

I agree entirely, although i think his fight with Gennis wasn't that unimpressive, especially when you consider how powerful Gennis was. Some of the last dialogue with the Void during the lastest Jenkins mini suggests (Like Gladiator)that Sentrys powers are linked to his mental confidence. This was then later on confirmed in the lastest marvel Handbook.

Exactly... which is why i didnt include Genis-Vell in my response. Genis-Vell should be more of a contender, cosmic overload or not, than that Collective. He should give Reynolds more of a hard time... i mean for one hes way more experienced than the Collective was. Secondly, I think any of those "cosmic people" should be in the class of Sentry. The Collective... meh, i dont think he should be (the character idea is cool and all, but it was executed poorly). I mean if you compare the power of a million different (mostly crappy) mutants to the raw power of a "million exploding suns", its no question who should give who a hard time.

If you recall, before Sentry even came into the fight during the Collective arc, Reynolds was having a bad day. He was in the fetal position all weirded out and comatose in bed, when his wife told Cap it was one of those days on the phone. Which is why i think he shoulda/woulda mopped the floor with him... I just dont get why everytime theres a big threat it seems they make Sentry have a bad day. Its all just frusterating... I wanna see Sentry kick some serious ass for once.

 

[yahman]

It seemed as if the heroes all accepted the Sentry as far more powerful than Thor in the original mini-series. Thor was right there alongside the other heroes when the Void came calling, and they all still seemed to think it was completely hopeless to believe they stood a chance.

I think Jekins stated that the Void was the only thing that the Hulk was scared of, which was justified in the most recent mini. Sentrys poor perfomances against Gennis and the Super Adaptoid, aswell as a general lack in power versatility, is why i dont wouldn't really consider him as marvel Earths most powerful character.

 

[yahman]

It seemed as if the heroes all accepted the Sentry as far more powerful than Thor in the original mini-series. Thor was right there alongside the other heroes when the Void came calling, and they all still seemed to think it was completely hopeless to believe they stood a chance.

I think Jekins stated that the Void was the only thing that the Hulk was scared of, which was justified in the most recent mini. Sentrys poor perfomances against Gennis and the Super Adaptoid, aswell as a general lack in power versatility, is why i dont wouldn't really consider him as marvel Earths most powerful character.

 

[Doombringer]

I just dont know... my responses to this whole Sentry character are on the basis that I want him to win. But he just never pulls through, i try to make excuses, but its just no good anymore. I read back on my responses, and they just seem feutal.

Sentry shoulda won against Genis Vell easily if he is as powerful as they said in his debut but his performance was poor.

Collective shoulda been dismantled but wasnt and gave him trouble.

Im losing hope with this guy.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I never understood why "cosmic" somehow equated to "ungodly powerful" for some people. Mar-Vell, Genis' dad, was a cosmic hero, but he was relatively low-powered. He could lift a handful of tons and use his Nega-Bands to fire energy and fly. That's about it. Genis-Vell had similar powers, but to a greater extent because he internalized energy via cells that worked like capacitors. Neither of them were as powerful as the Collective probably was. The guy has every mutant power that's not accounted for in the remaining 198 mutants. Given that there were thousands, possibly millions, of mutants all over the world, you don't think he'd be more powerful than a guy with a handful of relatively standard powers? You think most of the powers were crappy, but the fact is, we don't know anything about most of the powers. He could've had the strength of a thousand Colossuses, the energy manipulation of a thousand Bishops and Gambits, etc. To relate them to the cosmics, omega-level mutants can stand up to a lot of the most powerful cosmic badasses short of the major cosmic beings like Galactus, and this guy must've had quite a few omega-level powers mixed in with the rest. The current Sentry's having trouble against him makes perfect sense to me. Certainly more than his having trouble against Genis.

I think Jekins stated that the Void was the only thing that the Hulk was scared of, which was justified in the most recent mini. Sentrys poor perfomances against Gennis and the Super Adaptoid, aswell as a general lack in power versatility, is why i dont wouldn't really consider him as marvel Earths most powerful character.

The Void is supposed to be equal to the Sentry in power. They're two sides of the same coin. So if Thor was there for the Void and it seemed hopeless to him, one can deduce that the Sentry must be more powerful than Thor.

 

[yahman]

Exactly... which is why i didnt include Genis-Vell in my response. Genis-Vell should be more of a contender, cosmic overload or not, than that Collective. He should give Reynolds more of a hard time... i mean for one hes way more experienced than the Collective was. Secondly, I think any of those "cosmic people" should be in the class of Sentry. The Collective... meh, i dont think he should be (the character idea is cool and all, but it was executed poorly). I mean if you compare the power of a million different (mostly crappy) mutants to the raw power of a "million exploding suns", its no question who should give who a hard time.

If you recall, before Sentry even came into the fight during the Collective arc, Reynolds was having a bad day. He was in the fetal position all weirded out and comatose in bed, when his wife told Cap it was one of those days on the phone. Which is why i think he shoulda/woulda mopped the floor with him... I just dont get why everytime theres a big threat it seems they make Sentry have a bad day. Its all just frusterating... I wanna see Sentry kick some serious ass for once.

Great post, and i entirely agree. I've yet to see any evidence that Sentry is anything more than a straight intrepretation of Apollo (Whose really a low level Superman), from the Authority. As you quite rightly said, the Collective idea was good in theory, and once again Bendis demonstrated his consistent ability to **** up a good idea. Sentry has yet to show he nearly anywhere near the Capacities indicated in Jekins original arc. I mean yet to see him doing anything except fly and punch.

 

[bkhedr]

Exactly... which is why i didnt include Genis-Vell in my response. Genis-Vell should be more of a contender, cosmic overload or not, than that Collective. He should give Reynolds more of a hard time... i mean for one hes way more experienced than the Collective was. Secondly, I think any of those "cosmic people" should be in the class of Sentry. The Collective... meh, i dont think he should be (the character idea is cool and all, but it was executed poorly). I mean if you compare the power of a million different (mostly crappy) mutants to the raw power of a "million exploding suns", its no question who should give who a hard time.

If you recall, before Sentry even came into the fight during the Collective arc, Reynolds was having a bad day. He was in the fetal position all weirded out and comatose in bed, when his wife told Cap it was one of those days on the phone. Which is why i think he shoulda/woulda mopped the floor with him... I just dont get why everytime theres a big threat it seems they make Sentry have a bad day. Its all just frusterating... I wanna see Sentry kick some serious ass for once.

I completely agree. The Collective had the powers of god knows how many mutants, and how many of those mutants had the power of too much skin, or really long tongues, or whatever else.

Any cosmic would pwn the collective

As for the Sentry kicking ass. I want him to kick ass too, and he did have some good moments in his most recent mini (whupping Attuma's army/breaking Terrax' cosmic axe) so he hasnt gone completely unutilized

 

[bkhedr]

Great post, and i entirely agree. I've yet to see any evidence that Sentry is anything more than a straight intrepretation of Apollo (Whose really a low level Superman), from the Authority. As you quite rightly said, the Collective idea was good in theory, and once again Bendis demonstrated his consistent ability to **** up a good idea. Sentry has yet to show he nearly anywhere near the Capacities indicated in Jekins original arc. I mean yet to see him doing anything except fly and punch.

Well he does seem to have some kind of energy output ability where he turns into a sun or something. And he did beat the Super Adaptoid with his telepathic? powers

 

[Doombringer]

I dunno guys, I have hope for the guy that one day someone will finally do him justice... but lately ive been losing hope. Hopefully something happens soon to solidify this guys levels of power.

 

[yahman]

I completely agree. The Collective had the powers of god knows how many mutants, and how many of those mutants had the power of too much skin, or really long tongues, or whatever else.

Any cosmic would pwn the collective

As for the Sentry kicking ass. I want him to kick ass too, and he did have some good moments in his most recent mini (whupping Attuma's army/breaking Terrax' cosmic axe) so he hasnt gone completely unutilized

If the last mini had continued in the vain of the first issue, it would have been a classic. Sadly it didn't, the serries really dragged, and what could have been a 4 issue mini, was drawn out for 8 tedious books. No wonder it received a C- raiting from the Wizard reviews section, which i usually find very informative and accurate.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I dunno guys, I have hope for the guy that one day someone will finally do him justice... but lately ive been losing hope. Hopefully something happens soon to solidify this guys levels of power.

Keep hoping. My bet is that if his powers are ever made consistent--and that's a big "if" to begin with--it'll be at a level far lower than the one Jenkins established for him. He's not practical in Marvel's newly refocused mainstream, which stresses street-level heroes far more than anything else, at the outrageous level Jenkins created him to be at.

 

[bkhedr]

I never understood why "cosmic" somehow equated to "ungodly powerful" for some people. Mar-Vell, Genis' dad, was a cosmic hero, but he was relatively low-powered. He could lift a handful of tons and use his Nega-Bands to fire energy and fly. That's about it. Genis-Vell had similar powers, but to a greater extent because he internalized energy via cells that worked like capacitors. Neither of them were as powerful as the Collective probably was. The guy has every mutant power that's not accounted for in the remaining 198 mutants. Given that there were thousands, possibly millions, of mutants all over the world, you don't think he'd be more powerful than a guy with a handful of relatively standard powers? You think most of the powers were crappy, but the fact is, we don't know anything about most of the powers. He could've had the strength of a thousand Colossuses, the energy manipulation of a thousand Bishops and Gambits, etc. To relate them to the cosmics, omega-level mutants can stand up to a lot of the most powerful cosmic badasses short of the major cosmic beings like Galactus, and this guy must've had quite a few omega-level powers mixed in with the rest. The current Sentry's having trouble against him makes perfect sense to me. Certainly more than his having trouble against Genis.

good point

 

[Doombringer]

I dug the latest mini. It just got to the point where i would have to re-read every single page towards the end to understand what the **** they were talking about.

 

[bkhedr]

Yeah it started off really strong but eventually the psycho babble got awfuly redundant. Still enjoyed it though

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It could've stood to be a few issues shorter. There was no need to jump back and forth on the mystery of the Sentry's identity so much. Overall it was all right, though. Not as good as the original mini, but still all right.

 

[yahman]

Keep hoping. My bet is that if his powers are ever made consistent--and that's a big "if" to begin with--it'll be at a level far lower than the one Jenkins established for him. He's not practical in Marvel's newly refocused mainstream, which stresses street-level heroes far more than anything else, at the outrageous level Jenkins created him to be at.

Agreed ! As long as people realise that he's not on D.C. hiher tier level ..... :shifty:

 

[Doombringer]

I never understood why "cosmic" somehow equated to "ungodly powerful" for some people. Mar-Vell, Genis' dad, was a cosmic hero, but he was relatively low-powered. He could lift a handful of tons and use his Nega-Bands to fire energy and fly. That's about it. Genis-Vell had similar powers, but to a greater extent because he internalized energy via cells that worked like capacitors. Neither of them were as powerful as the Collective probably was. The guy has every mutant power that's not accounted for in the remaining 198 mutants. Given that there were thousands, possibly millions, of mutants all over the world, you don't think he'd be more powerful than a guy with a handful of relatively standard powers? You think most of the powers were crappy, but the fact is, we don't know anything about most of the powers. He could've had the strength of a thousand Colossuses, the energy manipulation of a thousand Bishops and Gambits, etc. To relate them to the cosmics, omega-level mutants can stand up to a lot of the most powerful cosmic badasses short of the major cosmic beings like Galactus, and this guy must've had quite a few omega-level powers mixed in with the rest. The current Sentry's having trouble against him makes perfect sense to me. Certainly more than his having trouble against Genis.

Thats very true but i think the deciding factor in the collective fight was inexpierence. You can have all the power in the world but if you dont know how to control it, how to use it, or even what kinda powers you have (the guy didnt even know he could fly until near the end) then youll get beaten by someone who knows how to use their abilities in a more versatile manner.

Also aside from a handful of "cosmic" guys, they are all pretty vastly powerful. Which is why in my head i always thought thats pretty much the reason they reside in space to being with, because they could lay waste to a planet like Earth. Like I said it really all comes down to how you use your given powers. Spidey has taken down guys way more powerful than himself, because he made good use of what he got.

 

[Doombringer]

Keep hoping. My bet is that if his powers are ever made consistent--and that's a big "if" to begin with--it'll be at a level far lower than the one Jenkins established for him. He's not practical in Marvel's newly refocused mainstream, which stresses street-level heroes far more than anything else, at the outrageous level Jenkins created him to be at.

Yeah i hear that... hope is about all i got for the man right now. Its just ridiculous how they can just stray so far away from his original conception.

 

[bkhedr]

Agreed ! As long as people realise that he's not on D.C. hiher tier level ..... :shifty:

bah

Marvel's higher tier level pwns DC's