Should 5 Years Gone happen?

[Matt]

It seems the writers are inching towards it. Here are my thoughts from another thread:

abort the plans to make "5 Years Gone," come true. Let this volume end with Noah and Peter doing what they set out to do together in New York in "How to Stop Stop an Exploding Man." Let them kill Sylar. There is no room left for development in the character. He developed, then reverted. Trying to make him good again or have him grow would only seem like back and forth flip flopping. Clearly he is staying evil and every great villain must have a downfall.

Plus, making 5 Years Gone true doesn't work for any of the characters but Sylar. Claire clearly is not one to go into hiding when people are in danger. Matt isn't going to become Danko (which is essentially what he was in 5 Years Gone). Nathan is wanted by the US military, hard to become president under those circumstances, plus New York is not blown up and that was sort of the key to him becoming president. Hiro isn't tough at all. In fact, his speech to Parkman tonight is the opposite of everything he was in 5 Years Gone (Hiro became vengeful because of Ando's death but he lectured Parkman about doing that). They are strongly implying that Peter can only use his powers if he is empathetic. He was anything but in 5 Years Gone. Niki is dead.

It just doesn't fit on so many levels. To force it through so a few fanboys can go "OMGZ! 5 YEARZ GONE!!!" just doesn't make sense from a story telling perspective.

Kill Sylar once and for all and start a new chapter for the show.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Dark Helmet]

So far things are pointing to it not happening but when did the writers really care what fans think ?

 

[Deaths Head II]

Five Years Gone can't happen for the reasons you listed, but a future similar to it might occur.

 

[BoredGuy]

Wow, Matt, I agree with you!! first time. amazing...
I wouldn't have a problem with a similar future, but obviously pete's powers are a bit different, and I'd be mad if they killed Nathan AGAIN, cuz you know hed just come back AGAIN, plus i want to see him finally become the hero they hint at every season...

 

[Steyin]

I doubt it will happen exactly the same in any instance since Sylar has just been discovered to be impersonating Nathan. In 5YG, no one knew it was him. Do I want it to happen? I wouldn't mind, but so many things have played out that just negate how the characters were in 5YG that it seems unlikely.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

Yah sure why not I liked the episode. I think it will happen just not exacly like that.

-I do think Nathan will get killed for a different reason by sylar.

-I do think Peter will get the scar at the end of the Volume by sylar.

-The Bombe could happen in another way, just not by Peter or Sylar this time. We did see a painting of an explosion in Volume 4.

-If Nathan does die this time it will be it. The producers said it would stick this time. However the actor would be able to stay since Sylar would be impersanating him.

-The whole under ground thing hiding people could still happen with Noah.

-Matt may still join Nathan [Sylar]

Spoiler

Spoiler was leaked he'd do some thing he'd regret for the rest of his life maybe this is it who knows.

-Claire

Spoiler

Spoilers says for her that shey'll be going down the road of her Volume 3 future self and well get a hint of it at the end of this Volume. Some thing like that

Guess will see...They did change some things out of this though, maybe saving Ando and Miacha.

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[Ryudoz]

No. It shouldn't. Largely for the reasons you state, and one statement that unequivocally echos how I feel...

Let this volume end with Noah and Peter doing what they set out to do together in New York in "How to Stop Stop an Exploding Man." Let them kill Sylar.

From the beginning, we've been shown that Peter is the emotional center for our "Heroes". He is the one who does what he can to help people. Not just because he wants to, because in some way he needs to. He doesn't work any other way (which is why the whole "Crazy Pete with Sylar's Hungermajigger" was scrapped so quickly, I would think). I think that there's more meaning in that Pete has (had) the ability to take all the powers of the others and fight on an even playing field with Sylar. His physical match. Noah, his intellectual match. As it was pointed out in the other thread, Noah seems to be the only one Sylar can't best in an intellectual way. Or at least, they clash the most. I can think of nothing better than Pete and Noah finally stomping out Sylar.

Side note: I loved that scene where Noah finds Pete in the streets where we finally learn his first name. I just thought it was the coolest moment of S1. I dig little things like that.

 

[shoelessthunder]

I said maybe.
Because some things about that future I would be interested to see happen.
Others, not so much.
I'm kind of into Nathan dying and being replaced by Sylar. Why? Because Nathan has 'died' so many times it kind of feels like he should already be dead. So just get rid of him, srsly.
Also, I definitely wouldn't want to be watching a Heroes universe with a dead Ando! Not cool!
As far as Parkman, I like seeing him heading down a darker path, but after his last little adventure with Danko's lover, it seems he has chosen the path of light.
Of course, everybody seems to want the Future Hiro we saw in Season 1, but it seemed to me that that was averted when Hiro saved Ando from Sylar. It would be nice, but I like Hiro either way, as long as he's well written. (Like if he's just going to be comic relief, as long as it's done well like it was in 'Cold Snap' and not how it was in 'Turn and Face the Strange.' But I do prefer him having actual serious adventures.)
Claire seems to be annoying in every alternate or actual past, present, and future. So that's unavoidable. As is there being an Ali Larter character on the show.

So whatever, I'll see what they do with it.
Of course, the bomb we're dealing with now is supposedly gonna be taking place in D.C. and not New York...I just can't believe they seriously used that exact plot device AGAIN. Especially just showing it in one episode and then the writers reminding us in BTE to 'be patient.' So it's like, ok it wasn't just a one episode plot point...apparently they really did just re-hash it. Whatevz...

 

[Matt]

No. It shouldn't. Largely for the reasons you state, and one statement that unequivocally echos how I feel...



From the beginning, we've been shown that Peter is the emotional center for our "Heroes". He is the one who does what he can to help people. Not just because he wants to, because in some way he needs to. He doesn't work any other way (which is why the whole "Crazy Pete with Sylar's Hungermajigger" was scrapped so quickly, I would think). I think that there's more meaning in that Pete has (had) the ability to take all the powers of the others and fight on an even playing field with Sylar. His physical match. Noah, his intellectual match. As it was pointed out in the other thread, Noah seems to be the only one Sylar can't best in an intellectual way. Or at least, they clash the most. I can think of nothing better than Pete and Noah finally stomping out Sylar.

Side note: I loved that scene where Noah finds Pete in the streets where we finally learn his first name. I just thought it was the coolest moment of S1. I dig little things like that.

That was my favorite scene too. Unfortunately, it never got the pay off that it set up (Noah and Pete killing Sylar)

 

[Matt]

I said maybe.
Because some things about that future I would be interested to see happen.
Others, not so much.
I'm kind of into Nathan dying and being replaced by Sylar. Why? Because Nathan has 'died' so many times it kind of feels like he should already be dead. So just get rid of him, srsly.
Also, I definitely wouldn't want to be watching a Heroes universe with a dead Ando! Not cool!
As far as Parkman, I like seeing him heading down a darker path, but after his last little adventure with Danko's lover, it seems he has chosen the path of light.
Of course, everybody seems to want the Future Hiro we saw in Season 1, but it seemed to me that that was averted when Hiro saved Ando from Sylar. It would be nice, but I like Hiro either way, as long as he's well written. (Like if he's just going to be comic relief, as long as it's done well like it was in 'Cold Snap' and not how it was in 'Turn and Face the Strange.' But I do prefer him having actual serious adventures.)
Claire seems to be annoying in every alternate or actual past, present, and future. So that's unavoidable. As is there being an Ali Larter character on the show.

So whatever, I'll see what they do with it.
Of course, the bomb we're dealing with now is supposedly gonna be taking place in D.C. and not New York...I just can't believe they seriously used that exact plot device AGAIN. Especially just showing it in one episode and then the writers reminding us in BTE to 'be patient.' So it's like, ok it wasn't just a one episode plot point...apparently they really did just re-hash it. Whatevz...

Couldn't the same be said about Sylar?

 

[SodaPop]

Couldn't the same be said about Sylar?

I was having a Heroes related discussion with my co-worker the other day and we both agree that even though Sylar has died a bajillion times, who would take his place after he died? He is the key villian to this entire series, and there is no replacement for him as the main villian if he dies. So, as much as i hate him and his development, he has to stay around. Also, 5YG will not happen.......the way it was orginally portrayed....We will probably see an altered version of that future.

 

[shoelessthunder]

Yeah, I mean, you definitely could apply that to Sylar as well. But, I personally would rather see Sylar hanging around for a while than Nathan.
I definitely understand why people want to see him gone.
I just personally do not.

 

[Matt]

I was having a Heroes related discussion with my co-worker the other day and we both agree that even though Sylar has died a bajillion times, who would take his place after he died? He is the key villian to this entire series, and there is no replacement for him as the main villian if he dies. So, as much as i hate him and his development, he has to stay around. Also, 5YG will not happen.......the way it was orginally portrayed....We will probably see an altered version of that future.

That's not true. Adam would've made a great follow up. As long as they can up the ante with the next villain, it won't be a problem.

 

[shoelessthunder]

Yeah, I see what you're saying there, definitely.
Adam was pure wasted potential.
An entire (well half) season, or one whole volume, worth of backstory / personal grudge with one of the heroes. And they just throw it away to give Arthur Petrelli badass cred.
EPIC fail.
I hope if they do come up with a new villain though, that they have the charisma and intensity of presence of Sylar, or at least Adam.

 

[BoredGuy]

Kill Sylar, Keep Nathan!
They can find a much better threat for next season...
Sylar's so played out he's not even intimidating anymore.
The President as the big bad, he turns into a klingon!!

 

[Ryudoz]

Couldn't the same be said about Sylar?

I would contend that outside of Claire, Sylar has "died" the most in this series, and it's almost pathetic that he's being kept around at this point. But I totally agree with you here.

I was having a Heroes related discussion with my co-worker the other day and we both agree that even though Sylar has died a bajillion times, who would take his place after he died? He is the key villian to this entire series, and there is no replacement for him as the main villian if he dies. So, as much as i hate him and his development, he has to stay around. Also, 5YG will not happen.......the way it was orginally portrayed....We will probably see an altered version of that future.

That's not true. Adam would've made a great follow up. As long as they can up the ante with the next villain, it won't be a problem.

I can understand that for a serial TV series such as Heroes, steeped in Comic Book mythos (at least in premise) that there would be a desire to prop up an "Archnemesis" of sorts. The problem with this is that, if the "Heroes" are constantly at odds with this guy, their conflicts are devalued to the point of mediocrity. Would you say that about any "Archvillain" from the comics? Magneto, Green Goblin, Lex Luthor (Comics, not movies), The Joker, etc. etc. Sylar? Well, he's just that. He's played out. He's been shifted through so many of the "classic villain" archetypes (most of which have been in just the past three volumes). Part of what makes those others so great is that they take time off. They plot. They develop behind the scenes. Then when they do come back, they're stronger than ever. We don't need to see them cackling away in their evil labs concocting hare-brained schemes. We already know that's what they're doing.

Now who could have replaced him? Adam. Plain and simple. Sylar was peanuts to what Adam could have and SHOULD have been. Adam's been around for centuries. He's gained knowledge and experience the likes of which no one can see. He's immortal, like Claire. And yet, he's "dusted" just to give rise to a "Villain" like Arthur. Disgusting. Plus, he was funny and charming. Something Sylar isn't either. A whole other dynamic that Adam could have brought that was completely and utterly wasted. In fact, Adam's deathknell wasn't when he was actually killed, but when Sylar gained Claire's ability. Apparently they figured that once he got that, he had was made Adam special in a way that immediately made him expendable. Umm, no. Sorry. Don't buy it.

Personally, if they really wanted to keep Sylar around I think, and I know it's been echo'ed around this board many times, that Sylar should have been benched for a Volume or two. Make it so that he's still recovering from being run through with 3 ft of steel. Powerless or not. By moving him to the background you can 1. Make it so when he does come back, the impact of seeing him back is greater (the longer he's been away, the better the shock), 2. The potential for change with him is greater in that he could have learned/trained/acquired more/blah blah blah without having to necessarily bring down what made him great in S1 (which he really was), and 3. Afford a series that feels sooooo stagnant at times (especially when it comes to Villains) new blood for a change.

Again, as for 5YG. It's not happening. I don't care if they want to have some "form" of it given the current status of the Heroes' world, it's not going to come to light. Hopefully whatever "disaster" Redemption brings is going to be less formulaic than what we've had so far. (i.e. Major City + Painting of Massive Explosion/Earth Sundering = Drama?)

 

[RonStoppablefan]

Yah, sucks how Adam got killed by Arthur. It would have been so cool if he slowly became 2 main villain on the show. Both Hiro and Peter would have to deal with him, I think Adam would have scores to settle with them. Than he still hasn't gone agianst the others yet. It could have been so good. Oh well. Like I said I think it will happen in some form just not exacly like 5 Years Gone. I see Peter getting the scar at least, maybe Nathan or Ando dying. Maybe Matt going to the side of evil to protect his family.

 

[Matt]

I would contend that outside of Claire, Sylar has "died" the most in this series, and it's almost pathetic that he's being kept around at this point. But I totally agree with you here.




I can understand that for a serial TV series such as Heroes, steeped in Comic Book mythos (at least in premise) that there would be a desire to prop up an "Archnemesis" of sorts. The problem with this is that, if the "Heroes" are constantly at odds with this guy, their conflicts are devalued to the point of mediocrity. Would you say that about any "Archvillain" from the comics? Magneto, Green Goblin, Lex Luthor (Comics, not movies), The Joker, etc. etc. Sylar? Well, he's just that. He's played out. He's been shifted through so many of the "classic villain" archetypes (most of which have been in just the past three volumes). Part of what makes those others so great is that they take time off. They plot. They develop behind the scenes. Then when they do come back, they're stronger than ever. We don't need to see them cackling away in their evil labs concocting hare-brained schemes. We already know that's what they're doing.

Now who could have replaced him? Adam. Plain and simple. Sylar was peanuts to what Adam could have and SHOULD have been. Adam's been around for centuries. He's gained knowledge and experience the likes of which no one can see. He's immortal, like Claire. And yet, he's "dusted" just to give rise to a "Villain" like Arthur. Disgusting. Plus, he was funny and charming. Something Sylar isn't either. A whole other dynamic that Adam could have brought that was completely and utterly wasted. In fact, Adam's deathknell wasn't when he was actually killed, but when Sylar gained Claire's ability. Apparently they figured that once he got that, he had was made Adam special in a way that immediately made him expendable. Umm, no. Sorry. Don't buy it.

Personally, if they really wanted to keep Sylar around I think, and I know it's been echo'ed around this board many times, that Sylar should have been benched for a Volume or two. Make it so that he's still recovering from being run through with 3 ft of steel. Powerless or not. By moving him to the background you can 1. Make it so when he does come back, the impact of seeing him back is greater (the longer he's been away, the better the shock), 2. The potential for change with him is greater in that he could have learned/trained/acquired more/blah blah blah without having to necessarily bring down what made him great in S1 (which he really was), and 3. Afford a series that feels sooooo stagnant at times (especially when it comes to Villains) new blood for a change.

Again, as for 5YG. It's not happening. I don't care if they want to have some "form" of it given the current status of the Heroes' world, it's not going to come to light. Hopefully whatever "disaster" Redemption brings is going to be less formulaic than what we've had so far. (i.e. Major City + Painting of Massive Explosion/Earth Sundering = Drama?)

Very well said

 

[Sawyer]

I dont know... I really dont. If this were any other show I'd leave my faith in the writers hands, but they've proved unworthy of that trust, though they might be slowly gaining it back. I'd like to see Sylar killed. Like you said, theres really nowhere to go with him anymore. But at the same time, I'd somewhat like to see them have to live in a post-disaster world, as opposed to someone from the future coming back and telling them to stop it, or getting a vision about it.

 

[Ryudoz]

I dont know... I really dont. If this were any other show I'd leave my faith in the writers hands, but they've proved unworthy of that trust, though they might be slowly gaining it back. I'd like to see Sylar killed. Like you said, theres really nowhere to go with him anymore. But at the same time, I'd somewhat like to see them have to live in a post-disaster world, as opposed to someone from the future coming back and telling them to stop it, or getting a vision about it.

While it would be very ballsy for Heroes to do something like that, I think once you go there, it's going to be hard to keep the series running. You save it for like a final volume or something. Say Matt or Peter or someone wind up failing to prevent the apocalypse or something. Much like how S2 was originally intended to go with the Shanti virus being released. It would be a welcome change to see, but I think it has very limited potential.

 

[SuperT]

Isn't some form of 5YG bound to happen?

Didn't we learn from Hiro during the whole Charlie situation in season one that the future can be altered but the inevitable will still happen?

 

[GL1]

No sir, we learned that the past could not be changed. The whole point of S1 was that the future could be altered, even if it had been painted AND seen first hand.

5YG should absolutely not happen. It's just another pitiful attempt to want to be like S1 without actually doing anything new, interesting or worth watching in its own right. The thing that made S1 so great is that it was different, refreshing and led us on a path of discovery, not that XYZ happened in XYZ order.

Adam would have been an epically awesome follow up to Sylar. I would have loved it. I think the storyline he landed in the middle of, with the virus, was a bit of a dud, and a rehash of S1 + Legacy Virus, however, Adam dealing with the Generations issue, and the whole 12 storyline, and those guys' mistakes coming back around to cause issues could have been awesome.

 

[Ryudoz]

No sir, we learned that the past could not be changed. The whole point of S1 was that the future could be altered, even if it had been painted AND seen first hand.

5YG should absolutely not happen. It's just another pitiful attempt to want to be like S1 without actually doing anything new, interesting or worth watching in its own right. The thing that made S1 so great is that it was different, refreshing and led us on a path of discovery, not that XYZ happened in XYZ order.

Adam would have been an epically awesome follow up to Sylar. I would have loved it. I think the storyline he landed in the middle of, with the virus, was a bit of a dud, and a rehash of S1 + Legacy Virus, however, Adam dealing with the Generations issue, and the whole 12 storyline, and those guys' mistakes coming back around to cause issues could have been awesome.

You just touched on something that kind of irks me about how the future has been depicted here. There have been many elements that the future, in and of itself, cannot be changed. That those painted invariably wind up happening either because of/in spite of any person's given knowledge of said future. BUT, there are certain elements that HAVE changed from those paintings. Making the whole future predication much more flawed and less concrete. It seems to fly in the face of what they seem to be establishing. Maybe a nitpick, maybe not. What I DO know, is that it's an ability that needs to be shelved. And fast. It does nothing but bog things down storywise.

Heroes has been trying to rehash S1 from the very beginning, and I think that if there's something they should be trying to delve further into/copy from idealistically, is the histories of the twelve. We saw four of them in 1961: Charles, Bob, Linderman, and Angela. But what of the other eight? Like Maury, Adam, Kaito, etc. Is that not a realm that could be explored? I mean yeah, they're all dead save Angela, but would it be so hard to weave their stories in thematically? To answer questions? Bah.

 

[GL1]

You just touched on something that kind of irks me about how the future has been depicted here. There have been many elements that the future, in and of itself, cannot be changed. That those painted invariably wind up happening either because of/in spite of any person's given knowledge of said future. BUT, there are certain elements that HAVE changed from those paintings. Making the whole future predication much more flawed and less concrete. It seems to fly in the face of what they seem to be establishing. Maybe a nitpick, maybe not. What I DO know, is that it's an ability that needs to be shelved. And fast. It does nothing but bog things down storywise.

Heroes has been trying to rehash S1 from the very beginning, and I think that if there's something they should be trying to delve further into/copy from idealistically, is the histories of the twelve. We saw four of them in 1961: Charles, Bob, Linderman, and Angela. But what of the other eight? Like Maury, Adam, Kaito, etc. Is that not a realm that could be explored? I mean yeah, they're all dead save Angela, but would it be so hard to weave their stories in thematically? To answer questions? Bah.

That was the original point of Generations, but it go shelved because people were scared of not centering on Peter, Claire, HRG Sylar and Nathan. Fans, including those who had just been hired on as writers, were not willing to part with Matt, even though his story had nowhere to go.

But you are right, the stories of the 12 can still be visited.

As for the time travel, it is very sad the way that they played time travel and painting the future out in Season 2. I think that S1 Heroes had really hit upon a great new sense of time travel theory, and even though it wasn't immediately familiar or similar to other time travel theories in other shows, it did make a lot of sense when examined very closely. Little things like Hiro's two different types of time travel (when he's concentrating, he's there in the intervening time, when he's daydraming, like in S1ep2, he is missing in the intervening time)... and that daydreaming time travel, the one where he is entirely removed and comes back entirely changed, I think is the one that was able to change the concrete moment involved (The bomb going off). The rest of it wouldn't have mattered if it hadn't been for that one daydream.

Another thing I liked about S1... it stood up to scrutiny. It's a shame Kring handed off the show to a bunch of fanboy writing staff.

 

[Antrax255]

You can not change the future.