Should comics tone it down?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, my friend even claimed that the beginning of Sandman wasn't that good because of all the superhero stuff. "All the superhero stuff," I'm guessing, being blink-and-you-miss-'em appearances from Wesley Dodds and the Martian Manhunter.

 

[yenaled]

Yeah, my friend even claimed that the beginning of Sandman wasn't that good because of all the superhero stuff. "All the superhero stuff," I'm guessing, being blink-and-you-miss-'em appearances from Wesley Dodds and the Martian Manhunter.

Not Wesley Dodds - the most bright, colourful and childish of the Superheroes!

 

[PhotoJones]

Sandman and Sandman Mystery Theatre both rocked my socks.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

They should make a new Sandman Mystery Theater set in the present, featuring Sand solving supernatural mysteries away from the rest of the JSA.

 

[yenaled]

Sand isn't allowed to be in comics anymore. Geoff Johns banned him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Sure feels that way.

 

[yenaled]

Actually he isn't even Sand anymore is he? Everyone calls him Sandman.

 

[PhotoJones]

I'd rather see a new series with Sandman fighting crime during the 30's and 40's. Pulp heroes rock.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Sand's been kind of remade into a modern-day pulp hero. He's appeared in JSA and it's implied that he spends most of his time investigating weird paranormal stuff he sees in his prophetic dreams.

Actually he isn't even Sand anymore is he? Everyone calls him Sandman.

Yeah, but I call him Sand for clarity's sake. I almost called him Sandy.

 

[PhotoJones]

Sand's been kind of remade into a modern-day pulp hero. He's appeared in JSA and it's implied that he spends most of his time investigating weird paranormal stuff he sees in his prophetic dreams.

Is the JSA Sandman still Wesley Dobbs?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Dodds. And no, it's Sandy Hawkins, Wesley's sidekick from the Golden Age whom Wesley accidentally turned into a sand monster. He stayed that way in stasis for decades, until someone figured out a way to get him back to normal (can't remember who) and he basically became DC's equivalent to Marvel's Sandman--his body is made of organic sand. He's since inherited Wesley's prophetic dreams and has basically updated Wesley's old gear for his current costume:

 

[PhotoJones]

Haha. I just read an email from a friend about something crazy Lou Dobbs said recently; must've leaked in. Anyway, I couldn't care less about Sandy Hawkins. If I'm going to read a Sandman story, I want to read Wesley Dodds.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

There are tons of Wesley stories around, so I'm sure you'll have no problem finding some. Sandy's one of the good legacy heroes, though, and I'd really like to see more of him since Johns has been ignoring him in JSA for years now.

 

[PhotoJones]

I've been hearing a lot that Johns is like DC's Bendis now. He's being put on everything and he craps on everything. True?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

To me, yeah, pretty much. Right now he's writing Action Comics, JSA, Green Lantern, and Booster Gold, and of those, only Booster Gold and JSA are good, and even JSA isn't as good as it used to be. I personally think he's got two problems: 1) he's spreading himself too thin, and 2) he's letting his blatant desire to recapture the Silver Age overpower his sense for writing.

For example: Everybody thought Hal Jordan would come back and have a lot of new depth to him thanks to his experiences as Parallax and the Spectre; but no, Johns just systematically absolved Hal of any and all wrongdoing and returned him to his cocky attitude of the Silver Age. No development as a character whatsoever--Johns just swept 10+ years of the character's experiences under the rug.

Now, to Johns' credit, he does at least know the DC universe better than Bendis knows the Marvel universe. His attention to legacies and old-school characters is part of what made him great on JSA in the first place. Now, however, it seems to have been taken to new extremes, which are hurting his books as far as I'm concerned.

 

[PhotoJones]

That sounds pretty Bendisy to me. Maybe Johns and Ross should make babies.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ross is already doing all of his covers on JSA. Oh, and Johns is a total Kingdom Come fanboy. You can tell because he's blatantly grabbing characters from Kingdom Come and tossing them into the current JSA series for no apparent reason other than that he thinks they're cool.

 

[yenaled]

The worse thing about JSA is John's obsession with Kingdom Come - it's really hurt the book IMO.

He's pushing very interesting characters out in favour of focusing on rather boring Kingdom Come ones.

Also doesn't help that Ross is "story consultant" on JSA. It's like Richard Donner on Action Comics with John's - utter crap.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The KC thing really is a problem. It's a no-win situation: If Johns does anything really important or interesting with the characters, he'll basically be mucking with Kingdom Come, which is just fine as it is. If he's determined to preserve the integrity of KC, he limits himself to inconsequential stuff with the KC characters he uses. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[masteryoda]

The KC thing really is a problem. It's a no-win situation: If Johns does anything really important or interesting with the characters, he'll basically be mucking with Kingdom Come, which is just fine as it is. If he's determined to preserve the integrity of KC, he limits himself to inconsequential stuff with the KC characters he uses. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm pretty sure it isn't the actual Kingdon Come Superman though. I think it's the supposed to be the Earth 12.5 version (or some fooktarded ****) of Supes which is like KC Superman but isn't...


how many frucken flashes are there again?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought Earth-22 (the Earth JSA's new Superman is from) was supposed to be the Earth Kingdom Come takes place on post-IC. Also, the JSA's Starman is pretty clearly supposed to be both the Silver Age version and the Kingdom Come version--he says in a preview for the next issue that he tried to go back to his future but got sucked over to Earth-22 and fought alongside the Superman who's now in the JSA. He also recognizes New Earth's Cyclone as the present-day version of KC's Red Tornado, and Johns or Ross has pretty much confirmed that she is the present-day version of KC's Red Tornado.

I guess the Kingdom Come characters could all still be alternate versions that are totally out of the post-IC, 52 Earths continuity, but the intent seems to pretty clearly be for Johns to insert various KC characters into the New Earth universe via JSA.

 

[yenaled]

Earth-22 in everything I've read is meant to be the actual Kingdom Come Earth.

On what time period that is meant to be set-in I don't know. Is it before Captain Marvel dies - or after - before the Kingdom or after.

Who knows!

 

[Miss Webb]

I don't need to see someone's intestines wrapped around their knees, that's for sure.

 

[masteryoda]

I thought Earth-22 (the Earth JSA's new Superman is from) was supposed to be the Earth Kingdom Come takes place on post-IC. Also, the JSA's Starman is pretty clearly supposed to be both the Silver Age version and the Kingdom Come version--he says in a preview for the next issue that he tried to go back to his future but got sucked over to Earth-22 and fought alongside the Superman who's now in the JSA. He also recognizes New Earth's Cyclone as the present-day version of KC's Red Tornado, and Johns or Ross has pretty much confirmed that she is the present-day version of KC's Red Tornado.

I guess the Kingdom Come characters could all still be alternate versions that are totally out of the post-IC, 52 Earths continuity, but the intent seems to pretty clearly be for Johns to insert various KC characters into the New Earth universe via JSA.

Ugh.

 

[xisaacx]

just an opinion, but if someone doesnt like the content in a comic "dont" pick it up, its as simple as that. An artist and writer have a vision, and if its what they want to be shown its what they want to be shown. If you dont like it find another company or an all ages comic simple as that. Ya know powerpuff girls.