Marv Wolfman explains why people hate Marvel.

[iloveclones]

Originally posted by darthphere

And PROUD of it!!!!

 

[The Batman]

Originally posted by CobraCommander
I'm just saying, because I'm not a biased reader. But I feel that fans on both sides are equally devoted and rabid.

Yet Marvel gets stuck with the "zombie" label.

Marvel "Zombies" act like idiots all the time, and are usually more vocal than DC Zombies.

On these boards alone, the DC boards always get hit with a "DC sucks" thread at least once a month.

The only DC- Zombie i know of on these boards is Highlander. And even he knows better than to go on a marvel board saying "Marvel sucks"

Not to mention, most DC fans read Marvel, or are former Marvel Zombies who realized that Marvel is not the end all, be all, and that there are other books out there

 

[The Batman]

and by the way, DC has three books in the top ten, not one

 

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by The Batman
Marvel "Zombies" act like idiots all the time, and are usually more vocal than DC Zombies.

On these boards alone, the DC boards always get hit with a "DC sucks" thread at least once a month.

The only DC- Zombie i know of on these boards is Highlander. And even he knows better than to go on a marvel board saying "Marvel sucks"

Not to mention, most DC fans read Marvel, or are former Marvel Zombies who realized that Marvel is not the end all, be all, and that there are other books out there

I agree Mavel zombies are more vocal but if you go to the Batman boards and disagree with something there theyll eat you alive. DC zombies exist but are less vocal. Im just glad Im bi-partisan and love both companies.

 

[Gambit8370]

I like DC better because they don't "Ultimize" their characters.

 

[The Batman]

I have a Love/hate relationship with the Ultimate line.

 

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by The Batman
I have a Love/hate relationship with the Ultimate line.

So do I. I love some titles and hate others. And the titles i love are bad sometimes. You undersatnd.

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

Originally posted by Gambit8370
I like DC better because they don't "Ultimize" their characters.

Instead, they just have a Crisis for their regular universe characters and **** them up

 

[Zev]

Originally posted by CantThinkOfAName
Instead, they just have a Crisis for their regular universe characters and **** them up

No, you're completely wrong! Lex Luthor was always a bald corporate raider! In fact, long before the Kingpin!

 

[Dread]

Very informative article. Definately food for thought.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

wow never saw this coming. but sundry cited a few things i think are good for the comic industry. the movies based on the characters, im sure the movies have peeks some interests in the comics again.

 

[kiuju2k]

So thats why I don't read much of marvel?

 

[THANOSRULES]

wow this post is 2 years old...but still pretty dead on.

Marv Wolfman is the Man..he Wanted the Rights for his (and my main man)NOVA and he left marvel forever as a result...

What I find weird though is marv doesnt attack the mature content of comics these days, but seems to lament that comics dont have "casual fans"...

I can remember the day you could pick up a Spiderman comic and didnt have to worry about a story about somebody getting raped or gutted.

 

[deemar325]

I just read it also, that's very insightful.

 

[iloveclones]

Just saw this in another thread and thought I'd bump it. Go to the first page and read the original interview. Good Stuff.

 

[roach]

I hate Marvel. I fully admit it. I hate what they are doing to the characters and I hate that there seems to be no rhyme or reason in the characters chosen for series. I hate Marvel because they could be doing so much more with the characters yet seem to want to destroy them. I hate Marvel because instead of writing and planning their characters for the future they seem to want to dwell on the past. No one seems to realize the problem with Spider-man isnt that he is married but that the writing is really crappy.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, ya know, I'd have no problem dedicatin' my $50 a week to quality Marvel backissues. Or, at least whatever's leftover after I buy quality distinguished competition books.

 

[roach]

it's like when my high school guidance counselor said I need to apply myself and I could be a grade A student and it pissed my mom off.

 

[iloveclones]

I feel bad about that, roach, because I really feel the opposite. I haven't had this much fun reading their comics, really, since I was a kid. I wish I could convince you otherwise, but I doubt I could. Hope springs Eternal, though....

 

[roach]

I havent bought a Marvel comic in a long time....
Blade: if you have Blade fighting supervillains then you dont know the character. There is a lack of supernatural in the MU and this could have reintroduced it.
Heroes 4 Hire: When you dont have Luke Cage and Iron Fist in this book and fill the book with c-listers you've pretty much put a time limit on the book.

 

[iloveclones]

Heroes 4 Hire: When you dont have Luke Cage and Iron Fist in this book and fill the book with c-listers you've pretty much put a time limit on the book.

That's probably 100% entirely accurate. But it has nothing to do with how good the book is, or whether or not I enjoy it (which I do.)

 

[LadyMoira]

Marvel’s problem comes from two sources. From what I see on the net, Joe Quesada’s matter of fact, unvarnished words, irritate the fans. They feel he’s arrogant and is explaining away bad decisions. As I say, I don’t know Joe, but from the letters he’s posted on the net I can tell he doesn’t have the ability to shmooze away stuff through the charm Stan showed. h#&%, none of us could even come close to having Stan’s charm which effused its way onto the written page.

Great interview that really sums up what's been wrong with Marvel lately...the new editors hold both the characters they're writing for and the fans that love them in contempt and it shows. They have no respect at all anymore...hell movie versions from the first two X-Men movies, to Sam Raimi' Spiderman trilogy, and even the animated Ultimate Avengers movies are more respectful to the original feel and mythos of the characters, (even if they take certain liberties in the need to translate to screen,) than Marvel has been in their latest storylines.

 

[Darthphere]

Im loving Marvel a lot more than I did in 03-04. So im happy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That's probably 100% entirely accurate. But it has nothing to do with how good the book is, or whether or not I enjoy it (which I do.)

I'm hoping that once Gray and Palmiotti are off the book (which should be soon considering that they are now exclusive to DC), that Bendis will take the reigns of this book (take him off an Avengers title PLEASE), and add Luke Cage and Iron Fist.

I think that Bendis would be perfect for books such as Daredevil, the Punisher, and Heroes for Hire.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Uh, Bendis already DID Daredevil...he left it. And I want LESS Bendis, not more. No more titles fer that grade-A hack.