Infinity War Should the Defenders/Agents of SHIELD cameo in the film?

[XtremelyBaneful]

So as you all know, the MCU Marvel tv shows are (supposed to be) connected to the MCU movies. If New York is a significant setting of Av3, then the Defenders not doing anything about a threat against the city is a plot hole.

I don’t see what harm there would be in a quick 2-4 minute scene of Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jonee, Iron Fist, Hellcat, Gladiator, and Colleen Wing holding down the fort. If they can get a random ass Matt Damon cameo that no one asked for, why can’t they make this happen?

 

[legendkillin]

I said no. The Netflix shows are okay but I really don't want to see them in the movies, I don't find them that interesting. The shows don't really mention anything impacting in the MCU.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I said no. The Netflix shows are okay but I really don't want to see them in the movies, I don't find them that interesting. The shows don't really mention anything impacting in the MCU.

I don't find a lot of the movies' characters that interesting but I can't use that as a reason for them to not be in the movie.

The first seasons of DD, JJ and Luke Cage all mention the Chitauri invasion multiple times

 

[Panacea]

If they could find a way to have a very small cameo with no explanation needed that doesn't distract from the plot then yes, otherwise no. The movie has enough to juggle without inserting characters that most of the audience doesn't really know.

 

[legendkillin]

I don't find a lot of the movies' characters that interesting but I can't use that as a reason for them to not be in the movie.

The first seasons of DD, JJ and Luke Cage all mention the Chitauri invasion multiple times

They all should mention that since it happen in NY. Everything seems to mention Avengers 1 because it was the biggest event in the MCU. The Accords, Ultron, Spider-Man get no mention. They didn't even call the heroes by their actual names. Punisher didn't mention a single thing in the movies.

Yes some of the movie characters may not be as interesting. IMO they are usually the side characters so they don't hurt. Being the main character of a series and not being interesting is more noticeable.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

They all should mention that since it happen in NY. Everything seems to mention Avengers 1 because it was the biggest event in the MCU. The Accords, Ultron, Spider-Man get no mention. They didn't even call the heroes by their actual names. Punisher didn't mention a single thing in the movies.

exactly, and if New York is a significant setting in Av3, not only should the Defenders just mention it in the future but since they are a team now, they need to hold the fort down. If they're not then it's a plot hole. Spiderman & the Accords not getting mentioned is also a plot hole.

Yes some of the movie characters may not be as interesting. IMO they are usually the side characters so they don't hurt. Being the main character of a series and not being interesting is more noticeable.

I don't like captain america that much. I think he's uninteresting and overpowered. Also not a big fan of Vision or Black Widow and especially despise the romance they have with Black Widow and Hulk, respectively. But none of these are excuses to not also have the Defenders in the movie.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

If they could find a way to have a very small cameo with no explanation needed that doesn't distract from the plot then yes, otherwise no. The movie has enough to juggle without inserting characters that most of the audience doesn't really know.

yep, a cameo scene reminds the audience of how it's all connected and this time giving a visual rather just dialogue.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

So as you all know, the MCU Marvel tv shows are (supposed to be) connected to the MCU movies. If New York is a significant setting of Av3, then the Defenders not doing anything about a threat against the city is a plot hole.

I don’t see what harm there would be in a quick 2-4 minute scene of Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jonee, Iron Fist, Hellcat, Gladiator, and Colleen Wing holding down the fort. If they can get a random ass Matt Damon cameo that no one asked for, why can’t they make this happen?

You mean 10 to 20 seconds. 2 to 4 minutes out of a 150 is a bit more than a cameo just to show other enhanced people on the battlefield.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You mean 10 to 20 seconds. 2 to 4 minutes out of a 150 is a bit more than a cameo just to show other enhanced people on the battlefield.

10 to 20 seconds is practically an easter egg though. you'd have to give them at least a minute. that's about how long tony stark's cameo was in the incredible hulk

 

[KevTravels]

it would have been great if they did. a nice 5 minute cameo. like during fight scenes in New York, we get get glimpses of them doing their part, "assembling"

but they'd have needed to figure that out prior to this year. real shame, cause it would have been ideal to tie it all together.

 

[Dark Raven]

exactly, and if New York is a significant setting in Av3, not only should the Defenders just mention it in the future but since they are a team now, they need to hold the fort down. If they're not then it's a plot hole. Spiderman & the Accords not getting mentioned is also a plot hole.

I don't like captain america that much. I think he's uninteresting and overpowered. Also not a big fan of Vision or Black Widow and especially despise the romance they have with Scarlet Witch and Hulk, respectively. But none of these are excuses to not also have the Defenders in the movie.

Actually Scarlet Witch did have a romance with the Hulk. They got married. In Wind River she's called Jane Banner.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

This is going to sound harsh and I understand if I get crap for it, but after watching The Defenders which is a show I did enjoy I honestly don't buy any of them being able to face a hostile alien army. I mean they barely held their own against The Hand which were mostly nothing but ninjas, so why should I believe these guys are ready to fight aliens? Granted, I think those kind of problems stem from the show not having a big enough budget, but still I say spend that extra minute or 5 minutes elsewhere, because this movie has plenty of other characters to focus on.

 

[Iceman]

So as you all know, the MCU Marvel tv shows are (supposed to be) connected to the MCU movies. If New York is a significant setting of Av3, then the Defenders not doing anything about a threat against the city is a plot hole.

I don’t see what harm there would be in a quick 2-4 minute scene of Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jonee, Iron Fist, Hellcat, Gladiator, and Colleen Wing holding down the fort. If they can get a random ass Matt Damon cameo that no one asked for, why can’t they make this happen?

I don't think it will happen but I would love it. 2-4 minutes of new unrelated characters seems too long but a super-brief cameo wouldn't hurt during bunch of scenes showing heroes over the world mounting a defence. Especially if Fury or someone like that mentioned that there are guys helping out everywhere.

 

[scarlet-witch]

I went with no. I think there's going to be enough in IW already without adding more characters. I'd rather see the Defenders in a marvel movie over the Agents of SHIELD characters, but I just don't think they would have the time.

I wouldn't be opposed to one quick shot of showing the Defenders evacuating people out of NYC, no dialogue, just an Easter Egg for fans.

 

[psylockolussus]

Nope..separate the TV verse from the film verse.

 

[Panacea]

The only sort of thing that I could possibly see Feige consenting to would be a humorous post-credits scene with either the Defenders or Agents of SHIELD returning to New York/Earth to find that it had all kicked off without them. Still, even that would be a long shot as I really don't think Feige like thes 'it's all connected' concept outside of the movies.

 

[JOE]

I said yes simply because they wouldn't have a big role. A simple 5-10 second scene of each Defender, or even just the main ones. When all hell breaks lose in NYC, where are these now established heroes? It only makes sense, even if they're holding their own on a street level basis.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I would be okay with a cameo, but I want to play devil's advocate for a second:

1 - The people who watch the movies may not watch the shows, so who is this Daredevil guy may confuse people. The shows are all small scale MCU stories. They don't effect the big players (Stark in Homecoming himself said Vulture was too low rent for them, what do you think Kingpin would be?). It may require too much explanation or assuming prior knowledge most people watching Infinity War will not have. As for the easter eggs in the shows, aliens invading New York is something that would effect them and they would remember it, but someone like Iron Man may not know much about them outside what the news shows.

2 - If Daredevil for example is in it, Infinity War is PG-13. The MCU appeals to many, but kids are a large portion of their target audience. Kids see Daredevil in a movie, now they will want to watch his show. Do you want your 7 year old watching a show where Daredevil has to be graphically stiched up after nearly bleeding to death and is fighting things such as sex trafficking? Many parents will not be pleased, and Jessica Jones and Punisher are even worse in that regard.

I am not saying it would not be cool, I am just saying I can see why it may not be in the cards.

 

[Dark Raven]

I would be okay with a cameo, but I want to play devil's advocate for a second:

1 - The people who watch the movies may not watch the shows, so who is this Daredevil guy may confuse people. The shows are all small scale MCU stories. They don't effect the big players (Stark in Homecoming himself said Vulture was too low rent for them, what do you think Kingpin would be?). It may require too much explanation or assuming prior knowledge most people watching Infinity War will not have. As for the easter eggs in the shows, aliens invading New York is something that would effect them and they would remember it, but someone like Iron Man may not know much about them outside what the news shows.

2 - If Daredevil for example is in it, Infinity War is PG-13. The MCU appeals to many, but kids are a large portion of their target audience. Kids see Daredevil in a movie, now they will want to watch his show. Do you want your 7 year old watching a show where Daredevil has to be graphically stiched up after nearly bleeding to death and is fighting things such as sex trafficking? Many parents will not be pleased, and Jessica Jones and Punisher are even worse in that regard.

I am not saying it would not be cool, I am just saying I can see why it may not be in the cards.

Will these 7 year olds even know there is a show of DD? If they don't have access to their parents' Netflix account, they might not be aware of these things.

If these are just small cameos, they can just be cool additional heroes as far as these 7 year olds are concerned. They can be like the cameos of other X-Men we got in the Fox movies. Sometimes they only appeared in the background of a scene or were a blink-and-you'll-miss-them appearance.

Since these would be only small cameos of perhaps only a few seconds, there wouldn't be enough there to tell whether they are exactly as they are in the Netflix shows. DD isn't continually being stitched up or even stopping sex trafficking rings even on his own show. There are times when he's just standing about over the city.

Likewise, Kingpin isn't continually bashing people's heads in with car doors. Sometimes he has just been staring at a blank wall.

And even if these kids do know about the shows, that doesn't mean their parents have to let them watch these on Netflix. They can use parental controls. I'm sure kids have seen the Deadpool posters and trailers, but that doesn't mean all of them get to watch that R-rated movie with all the blood, swearing and sexual situations.

 

[NotNickFury]

No. The end.

Plus, extra people helping out could just as easily be...I dunno, the same SHIELD people on the Helicarrier on Age of Ultron. Or just officers. After all, even though all they did was help clear the perimeter, we did see regular police officers assisting the Avengers during the Chitauri battle.

 

[TheVileOne]

There's not going to be any TV crossovers with the film. That's become pretty clear in recent months.

 

[KevTravels]

let's just say if they did appear, how much time would they have appeared on screen for and how relevant to the plot would they?

A cameo for the fans would have been lovely had there not been such a conflict with the films and tv universe.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

No. The end.

Plus, extra people helping out could just as easily be...I dunno, the same SHIELD people on the Helicarrier on Age of Ultron. Or just officers. After all, even though all they did was help clear the perimeter, we did see regular police officers assisting the Avengers during the Chitauri battle.

At this point that is about all the TV or the "it's all connected" fans want from a movie appearance. Like that mob scene from the Infinity War trailer which I think is set in Wakanda one of those could be Luke Cage looking up to what seems to be

Spoiler

Spider-Man making the initial contact in New York

instead of a NYPD officer firing his pistol after Black Widow said something and fired her's in The Avengers.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Actually Scarlet Witch did have a romance with the Hulk. They got married. In Wind River she's called Jane Banner.

my bad, edited...

This is going to sound harsh and I understand if I get crap for it, but after watching The Defenders which is a show I did enjoy I honestly don't buy any of them being able to face a hostile alien army. I mean they barely held their own against The Hand which were mostly nothing but ninjas, so why should I believe these guys are ready to fight aliens? Granted, I think those kind of problems stem from the show not having a big enough budget, but still I say spend that extra minute or 5 minutes elsewhere, because this movie has plenty of other characters to focus on.

I think that just comes down to the writing. But then again, the Hand might be tougher than we think, if any of the Avengers tried taking them on it might not be as easy for them either. Btw, Luke Cage is as strong as Loki.

I don't think it will happen but I would love it. 2-4 minutes of new unrelated characters seems too long but a super-brief cameo wouldn't hurt during bunch of scenes showing heroes over the world mounting a defence. Especially if Fury or someone like that mentioned that there are guys helping out everywhere.

Yeah maybe 2-4 minutes is too much at least a minute I think is fair.

I went with no. I think there's going to be enough in IW already without adding more characters. I'd rather see the Defenders in a marvel movie over the Agents of SHIELD characters, but I just don't think they would have the time.

I wouldn't be opposed to one quick shot of showing the Defenders evacuating people out of NYC, no dialogue, just an Easter Egg for fans.

If you're not opposed to that then why the hell did you vote no?! The question was should they cameo at all

Nope..separate the TV verse from the film verse.

Like I said in the OP, they're one in the same...

The only sort of thing that I could possibly see Feige consenting to would be a humorous post-credits scene with either the Defenders or Agents of SHIELD returning to New York/Earth to find that it had all kicked off without them. Still, even that would be a long shot as I really don't think Feige like thes 'it's all connected' concept outside of the movies.

What's Feige's problem with connecting the Netflix characters with the Hollywood ones?

I said yes simply because they wouldn't have a big role. A simple 5-10 second scene of each Defender, or even just the main ones. When all hell breaks lose in NYC, where are these now established heroes? It only makes sense, even if they're holding their own on a street level basis.

Exactly. and don't forget, for all we know, Spiderman was street level too before Tony picked him up.

No. The end.

Plus, extra people helping out could just as easily be...I dunno, the same SHIELD people on the Helicarrier on Age of Ultron. Or just officers. After all, even though all they did was help clear the perimeter, we did see regular police officers assisting the Avengers during the Chitauri battle.

None of what you mentioned pertains at all to the thread. This is about the Defenders and you didn't provide an argument for why they shouldn't cameo.

There's not going to be any TV crossovers with the film. That's become pretty clear in recent months.

The question isn't "will they" it's "should they"

 

[PROLIFIK1]

What's Feige's problem with connecting the Netflix characters with the Hollywood ones?
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It's all due to the beef that he and Marvel CEO, Isaac Perlmutter. Look up the history of what Isaac has put Marvel through in the past years. He's one of the Marvel execs that liked to interfere with a lot of the earlier Marvel movie making decisions. It was just recently that Feige was able to get Disney to have Isaac back off and no longer have any say in the MCU. Which lies the problem, Isaac still overlooks the Netflix series reason why Feige wants no part of it for now. Until Perlmutter can calm down, I doubt we'll see the TV verse be mentioned in any of the MCU.