Should there be more coordination between the Marvel televsion and film units

[Random490]

I think there's plenty of coordination, they're just keeping true to a logical separation. Think about it this way, how often does the director of the CIA interact with a rookie detective? How often due either of them talk to a scientist in a different country? They can interact doesn't mean they will. Same holds true for the MCU, and what's exciting is the possibility. I'm all for more crossovers but if it doesn't make sense in terms of the story and done completely for fan service, I'd rather they didn't.

I just think AoS it be better at carving out their own space like the netflix series has. The films definitely take priority for a number of reasons and AoS could definitely be the same show without imposing needless details that fans think should be brought up in the films. They just have to think it through a little more.

 

[WeaponXCII]

I think there definitely should be. I read through the thread, and noticed a lot of people are wondering how the different characters stories fit together. What would cause them to interact? However, I think there's another way to look at things: imagine Spider-Man bringing his web-slinging adventures to Hell's Kitchen when, who should he zoom past but defense attorney Matt Murdock on the way to a trial. Now, would these non-speaking, blink-and-you-miss-it "cameo" coordinations be the most satisfying? No, but at least they'd be something. Plus, a walk-on could be done basically extemporaneously, with little logistics needing to be sorted out.

 

[babykhris]

I believe if Marvel Television and Animation was under Marvel Studios there would be more synergy. I say let Feige have it with Loeb overseeing it.

 

[Boy Scout]

If such would sacrifice the quality I've seen in DD (haven't gotten around to watch JJ yet), then absolutely not. I've enjoyed singular episodes of DD more than probably most of the movies.

 

[scarlet-witch]

I'd love to see Daredevil or Fitz, Simmons, and May to show up in a MCU film.

Daisy can stay on the show, I don't need to see her on other platforms. It's bad enough she takes up all the screen time on AoS as it is.

 

[BarryAllen]

 

[Dr Tactics]

^^^ The Death of "Its All Connected" ^^^^^^

 

[AlluAllu]

That is not what I want, but I am fine with that. Agents of SHIELD for example, it is about those characters and their lives. For me, they are interesting enough that I want to see the show.

Hopefully we can at least have "they don't contradict each other". Meaning that there shouldn't be any Avengers-scale events in the shows.

Edit: James Gunn is awesome. Everyone should follow him on Facebook.

 

[DrCosmic]

Am I the only one who thinks this "scheduling difficulty" as the only/main reason for the lack of connection is a bunch of hooey? I mean, yes, you can't have a bunch of crossover from the tv to the films, but... NONE. Not a single thing, even as far back as SHIELD Season 1 has had even the tiniest bit of influence on any film? And while I understand red tape and finances for big actors, are there really no plot points for the shows to explore left over from the films? None?

Nah, son. I think that the film division honestly doesn't like Agents of SHIELD, and is quite content to pretend it doesn't exist, especially once it, eventually ends.

 

[Dr Tactics]

Am I the only one who thinks this "scheduling difficulty" as the only/main reason for the lack of connection is a bunch of hooey? I mean, yes, you can't have a bunch of crossover from the tv to the films, but... NONE. Not a single thing, even as far back as SHIELD Season 1 has had even the tiniest bit of influence on any film? And while I understand red tape and finances for big actors, are there really no plot points for the shows to explore left over from the films? None?

Nah, son. I think that the film division honestly doesn't like Agents of SHIELD, and is quite content to pretend it doesn't exist, especially once it, eventually ends.

As much as I like AOS as a show, the lack of connectivity to the MCU really leaves the show as a question on why it presses on. Netflix characters doesn't have the same burden to connect to the MCU due it being street level but AOS should have some connection to the MCU films. Keeping Coulson dead but others know he's really alive is Dumb. They really need to cancel the show at this point because the break-up from MS from Perlmutter who still head over Leob and MTV is the reason AOS is operating in a void IMO

It's foolish and I expected better from Disney and Marvel. They were building something great in "Its All Connected" But politics, even internal, got in the way

SMH

 

[NotNickFury]

Agents of SHIELD seems to be the only one spouting this "It's all connected" nonsense. Maria Hill, Sif, and Fury's appearances in the show, aren't referenced in the films because in the grand scheme of things, SHIELD is just a blip on the great MCU map. The organization itself, and Coulson with it, are bygone remnants of Phase One and a bit of Phase Two.

They're unnecessary at this point and the average moviegoer would find Coulson's appearance even more baffling, considering how his resurrection already cheapened his death in The Avengers. If the Civil War writers have stated that they don't keep up with SHIELD or didn't know of the Inhumans, that speaks volumes to how little the show is a factor anymore, just like SHIELD itself.

 

[MbJ]

Am I the only one who thinks this "scheduling difficulty" as the only/main reason for the lack of connection is a bunch of hooey? I mean, yes, you can't have a bunch of crossover from the tv to the films, but... NONE. Not a single thing, even as far back as SHIELD Season 1 has had even the tiniest bit of influence on any film? And while I understand red tape and finances for big actors, are there really no plot points for the shows to explore left over from the films? None?

Nah, son. I think that the film division honestly doesn't like Agents of SHIELD, and is quite content to pretend it doesn't exist, especially once it, eventually ends.

Possibly. Though they obviously aren't chomping at the bit to incorporate the Defenders into the movies either.

 

[AlluAllu]

Yeah. Netflix stuff being so good is a major proof for the reason really being production technicalities, instead of some kind of intercompany favoritism.

 

[Random490]

Am I the only one who thinks this "scheduling difficulty" as the only/main reason for the lack of connection is a bunch of hooey? I mean, yes, you can't have a bunch of crossover from the tv to the films, but... NONE. Not a single thing, even as far back as SHIELD Season 1 has had even the tiniest bit of influence on any film? And while I understand red tape and finances for big actors, are there really no plot points for the shows to explore left over from the films? None?

Nah, son. I think that the film division honestly doesn't like Agents of SHIELD, and is quite content to pretend it doesn't exist, especially once it, eventually ends.

I disagree, scheduling is a major factor. You have to remember that Civil Began filming within a week or two when AoS season 3 began writing. Now if you know anything about television writing it's an on going process, Civil War probably wrapped filming probably before they even wrote the mid season finale, and between writing and filming any number of plot points could have changed. It's pretty much logistically impossible for Civil War to include pretty much any AoS season 3 details with reliability and consistency. Specially without any references seemed to be forced in half haphazardly and standing out like a sore thumb.

Plus you have to remember Civil War is a big film with a lot of moving parts, anything added needs to service the plot or characters in someway. Frankly Inhumans really don't have any relevance to the plot and how it pertains to the characters. Sure you can shoehorn in a reference but it wouldn't enhance the movie in anyway other than make AoS fans go "Oh". It's hard to ask the Russo Brothers to write in several cameos/references before the episodes they're referencing is even written when they already have to continue the story for a dozen characters and introduce new characters. Plus unless the actor is available and takes a pay cut a network show couldn't afford a huge star whose probably too busy to film on the day they need them. Television has a tight schedule when it comes to filming.

I'm all for more crossovers, but I'd rather each show and movie be able to stand on it's own. In the beginning AoS just felt like a Marvel movie tie-in and the farther they move from that and stand on their own the better the show gets. Plus the point of "it's all connected" isn't so characters keeping in other shows, it's so we can see characters from this universe that weren't ever going to show up in the films. We were never gonna get an MCU SHIELD movie, a Daredevil movie, Punisher, Jessica Jones, etc. But we still get to see those characters in the MCU. I don't care if Luke Cage joins the avengers as long as his show is awesome in it's own right.

At least that's how I see it.

 

[MbJ]

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/154...reat-reason-for-turning-down-a-marvel-tv-role

 

[Zarex]

The fact that there is apparently a wall between TV and film now looks really, really bad. If crossovers are banned due to petty egos rather than scheduling or script issues a grown up needs to step in and fix it.

 

[BarryAllen]

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/154...reat-reason-for-turning-down-a-marvel-tv-role

I wonder what role it was for. I'm guessing it was Cottonmouth (the role Mahershala Ali ended up getting) on Luke Cage.

 

[DrCosmic]

Possibly. Though they obviously aren't chomping at the bit to incorporate the Defenders into the movies either.

True Enough.

I blame Jessica Jones.

I disagree, scheduling is a major factor. You have to remember that Civil Began filming within a week or two when AoS season 3 began writing. Now if you know anything about television writing it's an on going process, Civil War probably wrapped filming probably before they even wrote the mid season finale, and between writing and filming any number of plot points could have changed. It's pretty much logistically impossible for Civil War to include pretty much any AoS season 3 details with reliability and consistency. Specially without any references seemed to be forced in half haphazardly and standing out like a sore thumb.

Plus you have to remember Civil War is a big film with a lot of moving parts, anything added needs to service the plot or characters in someway. Frankly Inhumans really don't have any relevance to the plot and how it pertains to the characters. Sure you can shoehorn in a reference but it wouldn't enhance the movie in anyway other than make AoS fans go "Oh". It's hard to ask the Russo Brothers to write in several cameos/references before the episodes they're referencing is even written when they already have to continue the story for a dozen characters and introduce new characters. Plus unless the actor is available and takes a pay cut a network show couldn't afford a huge star whose probably too busy to film on the day they need them. Television has a tight schedule when it comes to filming.

I'm all for more crossovers, but I'd rather each show and movie be able to stand on it's own. In the beginning AoS just felt like a Marvel movie tie-in and the farther they move from that and stand on their own the better the show gets. Plus the point of "it's all connected" isn't so characters keeping in other shows, it's so we can see characters from this universe that weren't ever going to show up in the films. We were never gonna get an MCU SHIELD movie, a Daredevil movie, Punisher, Jessica Jones, etc. But we still get to see those characters in the MCU. I don't care if Luke Cage joins the avengers as long as his show is awesome in it's own right.

At least that's how I see it.

I think what really makes the scheduling thing not stick is not "because Civil War didn't include anything significant from AoS season 3," because like you said, that would be difficult, but that Civil War didn't include not even one single tiny thing from AoS Season 1 or 2 either. Not only that, but AoS Season 3, who was writing after Civil War was already totally written, didn't really include anything significant from Civil War, at least, other than mimicking it in a lesser storyline.

Further, Age of Ultron didn't include not a single bit from AoS Season 1, in fact, neither did Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Winter Soldier, or even the tie in one shots include a single whit of anything from AoS. It's not just that they stand on their own... they don't even touch, much less hold hands.

Now, imho, AoS was at its best when it folded in perfectly with the Winter Soldier storyline. It has never gotten anywhere close to that good sense, and in Season 1, at least they had guest stars of minor characters like Sif who are very affordable TV that actually "It's all connected" meant being connected, as opposed to what you're saying, that it really means they're using things that aren't connected to the film universe.

I don't know that it should be connected at this point, and I'd much rather AoS stay off on its own and never connected with the MCU or the Netflix MCU. But I think to say it's connected, it has to be connected, and the scheduling excuse may explain not using stuff from the current season of AoS with the latest big film, it doesn't explain not doing vice versa and it doesn't explain not using anything from past seasons. Especially because it doesn't use one single tiny thing at all. Not one namedrop. Not one reference.

That's not scheduling. That's rejection.

 

[TheVileOne]

The fact that there is apparently a wall between TV and film now looks really, really bad. If crossovers are banned due to petty egos rather than scheduling or script issues a grown up needs to step in and fix it.

I agree.

 

[MbJ]

I don't. Who exactly does it look bad to?

True Enough.

I blame Jessica Jones.



I think what really makes the scheduling thing not stick is not "because Civil War didn't include anything significant from AoS season 3," because like you said, that would be difficult, but that Civil War didn't include not even one single tiny thing from AoS Season 1 or 2 either. Not only that, but AoS Season 3, who was writing after Civil War was already totally written, didn't really include anything significant from Civil War, at least, other than mimicking it in a lesser storyline.

Further, Age of Ultron didn't include not a single bit from AoS Season 1, in fact, neither did Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Winter Soldier, or even the tie in one shots include a single whit of anything from AoS. It's not just that they stand on their own... they don't even touch, much less hold hands.

Now, imho, AoS was at its best when it folded in perfectly with the Winter Soldier storyline. It has never gotten anywhere close to that good sense, and in Season 1, at least they had guest stars of minor characters like Sif who are very affordable TV that actually "It's all connected" meant being connected, as opposed to what you're saying, that it really means they're using things that aren't connected to the film universe.

I don't know that it should be connected at this point, and I'd much rather AoS stay off on its own and never connected with the MCU or the Netflix MCU. But I think to say it's connected, it has to be connected, and the scheduling excuse may explain not using stuff from the current season of AoS with the latest big film, it doesn't explain not doing vice versa and it doesn't explain not using anything from past seasons. Especially because it doesn't use one single tiny thing at all. Not one namedrop. Not one reference.

That's not scheduling. That's rejection.

The most likely solution is they don't reference anything from the TV show because they know there's a very reasonable assumption most of the audience isn't watching it.

I think a reference would be far less jarring than actually having Coulson show up or something like that, but I'm sure they realized the viewership of the movies dwarfs that of the TV shows.

 

[Zarex]

I don't. Who exactly does it look bad to?
.

It looks bad to me, the MCU fan. I can understand scheduling conflicts, timing issues and contractual reasons preventing characters from the TV shows appearing on film and vice versa. But when a prominent actor comes out and says it's not allowed that tells me something else is going on. The "toys" are split between Loeb and Feige and they no longer allowed to play together. As a fan of both sides of the MCU, I find that extremely disappointing.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

The most likely solution is they don't reference anything from the TV show because they know there's a very reasonable assumption most of the audience isn't watching it.

What I wonder about is things like this:

If you were to say, include Patton Oswald as Koenig in the Helicarrier scene from AoU, or something similar, would it cause scheduling issues? Would people who didn't watch AoS be confused because they don't know who he is?

Oswald isn't a series regular, and there are even multiple versions of his character so planning where his character needs to be in the show to fit with the movies isn't an issue. And I'm pretty sure more people would recognize Oswald than the one guy from Winter Soldier and the couple of random extras we got.

 

[Zarex]

What I wonder about is things like this:

If you were to say, include Patton Oswald as Koenig in the Helicarrier scene from AoU, or something similar, would it cause scheduling issues? Would people who didn't watch AoS be confused because they don't know who he is?

Oswald isn't a series regular, and there are even multiple versions of his character so planning where his character needs to be in the show to fit with the movies isn't an issue. And I'm pretty sure more people would recognize Oswald than the one guy from Winter Soldier and the couple of random extras we got.

After being spoiled by CA:TWS, I was looking forward to seeing the AOS team launch an attack on Hydrabase that was carried forward in A:AOU. Silly me.

And I agree, not having Mr. Oswalt on the helicarrier after it was revealed he led its construction was an active attempt to keep TV and movies separate. Right now Marvel is no better than DC in this regard.

 

[MbJ]

After being spoiled by CA:TWS, I was looking forward to seeing the AOS team launch an attack on Hydrabase that was carried forward in A:AOU. Silly me.

Why would the Agents of SHIELD be the ones launching an attack in an Avengers movie?

 

[Zarex]

Why would the Agents of SHIELD be the ones launching an attack in an Avengers movie?

In my hypothetical scenario it would be a two pronged attack, with the AOS team on the ground infiltrating the base's defenses and locating the spear. Followed by the big guns attacking in what would be the beginning of A:AOU. My expectation was that Marvel TV and film would up their game after blurring the lines with CA:TWS, but unfortunately they went in the opposite direction.