Siegel's Family Reclaims Share of Superman Rights - May effect JLA

[Webhead2006]

Hey showtime i was just over at steve's site savesuperman.com and he told me to post this message to you about what your post was talking about earlier today.

http://www.savesuperman.com/node/130

Submitted by Archangel on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 20:03. *new
Webhead...

You can copy and paste this over there if you feel like it and you can tell Showtime he shouldn't talk about something he knows nothing about. If he wants to know what we're up to, he can email me directly.

With that said, we were not "commissioned" by WB to do this reboot trilogy. We are doing it on our own like several others are. Yes, I sent ObsessedWithFilm.com the storyboard picture. I did so figuring it would be posted somewhere anyway after it was leaked to at least half a dozen other websites by someone not knowing what exactly it was. I also emailed the sites that were sent the picture along with photos of certain pages from the script and asked them NOT to publish anything as it could hurt our chances with WB. So it was NOT an "intentional" thing at first, but the storyboard was. And yes, Phil, is one of our very talented artists along with George (Kal-El0924). They were both commissioned by me personally to complete the storyboards and concept art for our proposal which is being sent NOT solely to WB, but to the Siegel Family and Legendary Pictures as well to gain their support and add pressure on WB.

This isn't a typical standard everyday film pitch we're doing which I think is causing a bit of confusion with some people. It's a full business proposal with projected financials, expenses, etc. We are doing everything through attorneys with the intention of detailing exactly why and how a reboot would be more successful than a sequel.

- Steve

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Hey showtime i was just over at steve's site savesuperman.com and he told me to post this message to you about what your post was talking about earlier today.

http://www.savesuperman.com/node/130

So "Steve" just confirmed exactly what Showtime said just above.

 

[AragornKing1]

So "Steve" just confirmed exactly what Showtime said just above. [/quote

Yeah, lol. Steve said "it wasn't intentional AT FIRST." Um, that still means that it was intentional.

 

[Webhead2006]

No steve was saying he isnt involved with the wb and he is taking everything in a serious mannor and he hope they take his pitch seriously compared to all the other people who are also trying to pitch to wb. And steve said yes he posted the artwork to that one site only after some other places got ahold of it.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

 

[Webhead2006]

ok ok how about i just leave things as they are. Lets all just hope things work out the best with wb and the families and superman stays were he is. As for next solo film i hope wb picks the best thing be that a reboot(i hope for) or if they decide to continue donnor/singerverse mos.

 

[Showtime]

If he is really involved with WB, why would he have to create an "intentional leak" of a script and artwork, and claim it was unintentional? I would think if somebody was working on a project with a major studio, they would pretty much have a gag order and not be allowed to openly talk about a project.

He emailed a handful of webmasters 6 pages of his script and the artwork. The artwork was pretty cool, somebody told me Phil did it, but I don't know if that is true.

Hey showtime i was just over at steve's site savesuperman.com and he told me to post this message to you about what your post was talking about earlier today.

http://www.savesuperman.com/node/130

...so it was intentional, he did email webmasters, they aren't commissioned by WB, and Phil did the artwork. What am I missing?

No steve was saying he isnt involved with the wb and he is taking everything in a serious mannor and he hope they take his pitch seriously compared to all the other people who are also trying to pitch to wb. And steve said yes he posted the artwork to that one site only after some other places got ahold of it.

Right, so he basically confirmed what I said above? I don't understand where we are going with this?

You know what though, Phil is a pretty damn good artist.

 

[Webhead2006]

ok ok i guess i wasnt thinking and i dont know what i was trying to do. So lets just move on then. Yea i totally agree phil is pretty good artist from the works steve has shown on his site about his pitch.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Hey showtime i was just over at steve's site savesuperman.com and he told me to post this message to you about what your post was talking about earlier today.

http://www.savesuperman.com/node/130

Wha...?!? Steve can't be that serious or stupid here. He think he has the power to make WB do a reboot & use their work? I can't help but laugh at how he can do that. Sorry, but he doesn't have the power to do that. He & his silly wife think they can make their dream come true. I doubt that going to happend, so they can keep trying.

 

[Webhead2006]

well wb is really looking into reboot pitchs so who knows what is going to happen. Maybe a reboot will happen maybe a reboot wont.

 

[dark_b]

Hey showtime i was just over at steve's site savesuperman.com and he told me to post this message to you about what your post was talking about earlier today.

http://www.savesuperman.com/node/130

are you a monkey or what? steve told you something to do ....and you did it? are you hes slave or what? he can register to this messageboard and do ti himself.

 

[dark_b]

Wha...?!? Steve can't be that serious or stupid here. He think he has the power to make WB do a reboot & use their work? I can't help but laugh at how he can do that. Sorry, but he doesn't have the power to do that. He & his silly wife think they can make their dream come true. I doubt that going to happend, so they can keep trying.

this post makes sense. but lets not forget what this thread is about. a family tthat did nothing for superman. and now they want money that WB made.
from what i understand they want profit frome the movies. family from the creator of a man who can fly want money from the movies.
this sounds so idiotic that i am afraid to go outside.

to be 100% honest i am suprised that a crazy hardcore superman fan didnt already tryed to stop them.....with a GUN,

 

[Webhead2006]

ok ok lets all stop the steve stuff i will not mention him again ok. As for the families as i and others have said many times over hopefully things work out in the favor of wb. But we just dont know what is going to happen when the siegels go to court in nov and then come 2013 when shuster's heir can legally go to court. Will the judge favor wb/dc more or will he/she side with the families. Its a flip of a coin on what is going to happen.

 

[Showtime]

Wha...?!? Steve can't be that serious or stupid here. He think he has the power to make WB do a reboot & use their work? I can't help but laugh at how he can do that. Sorry, but he doesn't have the power to do that. He & his silly wife think they can make their dream come true. I doubt that going to happend, so they can keep trying.

I've warned you about this Nightwing, you don't need to call people names if you don't agree with them. He's a Superman fan just like you, leave the personal insults about him and his wife out of this. You don't know them personally, so this shouldn't get personal.

are you a monkey or what? steve told you something to do ....and you did it? are you hes slave or what? he can register to this messageboard and do ti himself.

Dark B, no name calling. Take it down a notch.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

well wb is really looking into reboot pitchs so who knows what is going to happen.

According to "Steve" whose word = dick.

 

[dnno1]

...so it was intentional, he did email webmasters, they aren't commissioned by WB, and Phil did the artwork. What am I missing?



Right, so he basically confirmed what I said above? I don't understand where we are going with this?

You know what though, Phil is a pretty damn good artist.

If he is supposedly going through attorneys on this, he probably leaked this on their advice and it was more than likely a ploy to get the Internet community behind him on it. Just like his alerting the Siegel Family and Legendary Pictures. It is all part of his master plan. I don't know if it will work, but that is what he is trying to do.

 

[dnno1]

well wb is really looking into reboot [pitches] so who knows what is going to happen. Maybe a reboot will happen maybe a reboot wont.

I don't know if they are necessarily interested in rebooting pictures since they probably want to sell the ones they already have in their film library. I think reboots are the decision of the director and not necessarily the studio.

 

[Evil Twin]

While WB may indeed be looking at pitches, they're almost certainly looking at pitches from people that have made big movies before, not from a fan website.

The only person that's ever really started from that point is Michael Uslan and even he had enough sense to know that he had to work through a legit producer. And he knew that people didn't see the potential in the property as well. People do see the potential in Superman.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea we will have to wait and see how things play out and what wb really does want. We know the studio is more after money then pleasing the fans so they will go with what they think will get the the most money. Will that be a continuation with singer and do MOS, or is it going to a reboot. Its all up to them. So untill there is an official decision and an announcement on wb plans all we can do is all this speculation chat which will be a battle of opinions on folks who do want a reboot, folks who want singer to stay, and the the netural people who either liked/disliked SR but dont know what would be the best way to move on with solo superman. Then there is all the factors we have that affects what wb could be doing. With them possibly only having the character for another 5 years, the siegel/shuster's court battles, and everything else.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Wha...?!? Steve can't be that serious or stupid here. He think he has the power to make WB do a reboot & use their work? I can't help but laugh at how he can do that. Sorry, but he doesn't have the power to do that. He & his silly wife think they can make their dream come true. I doubt that going to happend, so they can keep trying.

Tell me about it!

this post makes sense. but lets not forget what this thread is about. a family tthat did nothing for superman. and now they want money that WB made.
from what i understand they want profit frome the movies. family from the creator of a man who can fly want money from the movies.
this sounds so idiotic that i am afraid to go outside.

to be 100% honest i am suprised that a crazy hardcore superman fan didnt already tryed to stop them.....with a GUN,

Agreed! Jeez! Just leave Superman alone people.

 

[solidsnake86]

Like I've said before, even if they regain the rights to the character its useless without everything else, including villains and story's that were created by other writers over time. At the end of the day its still going to be published by DC because I don't think any other company would bother with him seeing that his books aren't even number one sellers. Second, do you honestly think the Siegel family cares about being pitched movie projects to give money to others. They are fighting to reclaim the rights and believe me they would sooner make their own movie, after having regained the rights, than turn around and sell it or produce it with someone else where they would not get any money. Third, why do people go to savesuperman and mention showtimes name to call out steve. No offence but if you want to do that do it yourself. From what showtime says its not far from what everyone is thinking when you post news about nobodys (people who have not made a movie) and how they are going to make a superman film. Chris Nolan made momento before he got batman, keep that in mind.

 

[biolumen]

Much hinges on the dollar amount the Siegels are seeking from WB for the use of Superman. If the two sides are continuing to hash out a deal as we speak, great, 'cause letting the courts decide who gets what makes me nervous. I believe the judge who ruled in favor of the Siegels will be presiding over the Nov. 4 trial as well. Pure speculation, but this judge will probably lean in the Siegels favor, at least to the point of Warners' consternation.

I haven't heard if Warners has considered appealing the May decision. That might not be an option at this point, but it could be one after the Nov. 4 trial if they don't like the final decision handed down to them. The Siegels could appeal as well for the same reason. Based on Toberoff's Lassie appeal, we could be in for a couple more years of hand-wringing if it goes that route.

If no amicable solution is found and both sides continue to take an adversarial position on this matter, I don't see how Warners can comfortably commit to spending what would be over $300 million dollars on both MOS and JLA without knowing just how much of the profits they can keep for themselves. IMO, anything short of a final deal between the parties will prevent Warners from making either of these films until such a deal is reached. If that's a couple years off, then it's not terrible news for JLA, but it could lead to the demise of Singer's MOS.

Besides, there's several other DC superheroes with great film potential. Why put all your eggs into a big basket full of holes when there are other hole-free, albeit smaller baskets that can be used.

 

[GreenKToo]

I wouldnt be against other C.B. films besides Superman (or Batman), *IF* W.B. would make them instead of just talking to hear themselves talk.
It seems like that's all they do. Talk.

 

[Webhead2006]

Much hinges on the dollar amount the Siegels are seeking from WB for the use of Superman. If the two sides are continuing to hash out a deal as we speak, great, 'cause letting the courts decide who gets what makes me nervous. I believe the judge who ruled in favor of the Siegels will be presiding over the Nov. 4 trial as well. Pure speculation, but this judge will probably lean in the Siegels favor, at least to the point of Warners' consternation.

I haven't heard if Warners has considered appealing the May decision. That might not be an option at this point, but it could be one after the Nov. 4 trial if they don't like the final decision handed down to them. The Siegels could appeal as well for the same reason. Based on Toberoff's Lassie appeal, we could be in for a couple more years of hand-wringing if it goes that route.

If no amicable solution is found and both sides continue to take an adversarial position on this matter, I don't see how Warners can comfortably commit to spending what would be over $300 million dollars on both MOS and JLA without knowing just how much of the profits they can keep for themselves. IMO, anything short of a final deal between the parties will prevent Warners from making either of these films until such a deal is reached. If that's a couple years off, then it's not terrible news for JLA, but it could lead to the demise of Singer's MOS.

Besides, there's several other DC superheroes with great film potential. Why put all your eggs into a big basket full of holes when there are other hole-free, albeit smaller baskets that can be used.

Good post bio, and we have no clue how the nov court stuff will go and what will go down in 2013 with shuster's heir. Now if shuster's heir has siegels lawer and the same judge this could spell doom for dc. And also they do have flash/green lantern/ww/green arrow/shazam/jonah hex/ and maybe even plastic man and a nolan bat 3. They really should get these other projects off the ground and on the screens.

 

[Evil Twin]

Good post bio, and we have no clue how the nov court stuff will go and what will go down in 2013 with shuster's heir. Now if shuster's heir has siegels lawer and the same judge this could spell doom for dc.

Not necessarily. There's an added complication to the Shuster claim because it's his estate and not immediate family that's bringing suit, unlike the Siegel case where the immediate family is bringing suit. The law is less clear in that respect.

And, it should be noted, that the ruling for the Siegels was fully in accordance with the letter and spirit of the law. It's not necessarily an indication that the judge is anti-corporation. It very well may come down that the judge will rule that, say, the Byrne reboot is separate from what the Siegel's own. Or that the Donner version is distinguishable enough. There's always lots of hairsplitting involved in copyright law.