So apparently Michael Jackson really was sick

[Knightfall]

I'm not going to lie. I haven't watched a Roman Polanski film because of who he is. I mean, murder is one thing, but raping children? Yeah, no. I don't care how good of a director he is. That mother****er should be in jail.

But it's not like I listen to Michael Jackson personally.

Are you implying that rape is worse than murder?! Because... Wow........

 

[Marvolo]

So basically we should still support pedo-deviants just because they're talented?

Duly noted.

What the Hell, let's get Jared back at Subway just because he was a good spokesperson.

No one said that.

I just like good music. Good rhythms and beats dont stop being good because the creator was a sicko.

If one or more of MJ's songs was inspired by or about one of his sexual deviant acts against a child I would have a hard time listening to that music but as far as I know his music wasnt inspired by or about his deviant acts. And last I checked his songs hadn't raped any children.

And like Reek said, Jackson's dead and short of necromancy he wont benefitting from me or anyone else listening to his music on the radio and youtube and spotify.

 

[KevanG]

Marv said what I meant but with much less sarcasm.

 

[jmc]

How accurate are these reports?

 

[Schlosser85]

I'm not going to lie. I haven't watched a Roman Polanski film because of who he is. I mean, murder is one thing, but raping children? Yeah, no. I don't care how good of a director he is. That mother****er should be in jail.

But it's not like I listen to Michael Jackson personally.

The Pianist is the best Holocaust movie after Schindler's List. Polanski's real life crime doesn't change that.

 

[Knightfall]

How accurate are these reports?

They aren't. This story has been circulating for years and it's fabricated and pulls inspiration from the story of how they raided neverland and thought they found child pornography but turned out to be an art book that he himself did not purchase and didn't even know he had. It was sent by fans but of course mainstream media won't report these things.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Are you implying that rape is worse than murder?! Because... Wow........

Absolutely.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The Pianist is the best Holocaust movie after Schindler's List. Polanski's real life crime doesn't change that.

That may be, but I refuse to even pirate the man's works.

 

[Knightfall]

Absolutely.

Rape is worse than murder?! You are either a troll or rediculous beyond belief I can't figure out which. Rape is horrible make no mistake but there is therapy and it can get better. Murder is permanent and there is no healing from murder!

 

[Thundercrack85]

Rape is worse than murder?! You are either a troll or rediculous beyond belief I can't figure out which. Rape is horrible make no mistake but there is therapy and it can get better. Murder is permanent and there is no healing from murder!

I am not a troll. In my mind there are situations where murder is justifiable. Rape is never justifiable. Really that simple.

 

[Knightfall]

I am not a troll. In my mind there are situations where murder is justifiable. Rape is never justifiable. Really that simple.

Well murder in self defense is the only time it's justifiable but murder in other scenario is way worse than rape, child molestation ect. Those things are horrible acts and disgusting but nothing beats murder... Period.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well murder in self defense is the only time it's justifiable but murder in other scenario is way worse than rape, child molestation ect. Those things are horrible acts and disgusting but nothing beats murder... Period.

Or revenge. But let's agree to disagree.

 

[Thundercrack85]

My original point is that I find it hard to enjoy someone's work if I know they have committed a horrible crime. Not saying that makes their work not great, just that it's ruined for me personally.

 

[Knightfall]

Or revenge. But let's agree to disagree.

No that's true, if a loved one was murdered ect. Forgot about that. Agreed

I thought that you meant an innocent person being murdered plays second fiddle to rape.

 

[Wildcard]

My original point is that I find it hard to enjoy someone's work if I know they have committed a horrible crime. Not saying that makes their work not great, just that it's ruined for me personally.

Exactly the same thing I was getting at. No matter how great someone is at what they do, if they've done something severely ****** up, they no longer exist to me & I want no association whatsoever.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Is this really an argument over which of these horrible crimes is worse? Both are reprehensible, and both should result in decades in prison, and in most cases lifetimes.

 

[KevanG]

Well I'm able to distance myself from what a person does to what was created. I can read books by writers that have been terrible people or watch movies that were made by madmen because I can distance the product itself from the people that made it. Just because something exists doesn't mean that you can't enjoy it as it is without forcing yourself to remember all the negative connotations associated with it.

 

[Retroman]

How accurate are these reports?

I question the the accuracy as well.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/n...ichael-jackson-alleged-pornography-collection

Michael Jackson's nephew and Tito Jackson's son Taj also posted this tweet: "Not only is there absolutely no truth to this story whatsoever, but I'm truly sick of this crap. #getalife and stop living off ours."

Not only is there absolutely no truth to this story whatsoever, but I'm truly sick of this crap. #getalife and stop living off ours.
— Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) June 21, 2016

While charges of child molestation were brought against the pop icon in 2003, Jackson was acquitted in 2005.

The estate of Michael Jackson released the following statement on Tuesday evening (June 21):

Seven years ago this coming Saturday, the world lost an amazing artist and humanitarian devoted to helping children in need in all corners of the world. Michael Jackson's fans, including the Executors of his estate, prefer to remember the wonderful gifts Michael left behind instead of having to once again see his good name dragged through the mud by tabloid trash.

Everything in these reports, including what the County of Santa Barbara calls "content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources" is false, no doubt timed to the anniversary of Michael's passing. Those who continue to shamelessly exploit Michael via sleazy internet "click bait" ignore that he was acquitted by a jury in 2005 on every one of the 14 salacious charges brought against him in a failed witch hunt.

Michael remains just as innocent of these smears in death as he was in life even though he isn't here to defend himself. Enough is enough.

The Estate of Michael Jackson

 

[Greens]

My original point is that I find it hard to enjoy someone's work if I know they have committed a horrible crime. Not saying that makes their work not great, just that it's ruined for me personally.

I can still enjoy their work.

There is an exception
I never listened to the band Lostprophets, but their lead singer was a rapist and conspired to rape a baby. A baby. That is so ****ing disgusting that I would have made an exception for that band if I'd been a fan.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I question the the accuracy as well.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/n...ichael-jackson-alleged-pornography-collection

Are people actually reading these articles? The Variety piece has the police say there files are in there. Oh, his family is denying it? No way.

 

[Reek]

Michael truly does have an army...the knights of the snail

 

[Knightfall]

Are people actually reading these articles? The Variety piece has the police say there files are in there. Oh, his family is denying it? No way.

Starting to think you're Tom Sneddon.... *Taps chin curiously*

 

[Marvolo]

Exactly the same thing I was getting at. No matter how great someone is at what they do, if they've done something severely ****** up, they no longer exist to me & I want no association whatsoever.

You arent associating with them. When I listen to music its not like Im having a beer with the artist or going over to their house for dinner. Im listening to music. Music that didnt do anything wrong.

I mean surely you must realize that all sorts of art and entertainment going back to ancient greece or further was created by people with skeletons in their closets. If you intend to ignore everything created by or tangentially connected to a person with skeletons in their closet you might as well join a monestary and read the bible all day. Oh wait the bible has some pretty questionable **** in it so scratch that. Just wall yourself up in a room. That will keep you away from everything.

 

[giveyourself12%]

Saying that most of it is perfectly fine art, whether you agree or not, avoids that you aren't talking about all the material.

All of the material mentioned in the documents was commercially available at some point. The material that isn't currently commercially available is simply out of print

As I'm sure you're aware, possessing child pornography is illegal. None of the material mentioned in the documents was deemed as such by the authorities. They've had years to investigate it.

Had any of the materials been determined to be obscene, pornographic, or pedophilic they would have been banned, likely never published at all, or brought forward at Mr. Jackson's trials as his legal adult material was.

Also, none of the materials mentioned in the documents was self-produced save for photographs described in the documents as shirtless barely clothed black teens who are in certain shots posing with Mr. Jackson. That's a pretty salacious way to describe an album cover shoot, wouldn't you agree? I believe the album is still available. I hear it's pretty good.

Explaining something does not debunk it.

Yes it does in this case. The assertion that Mr. Jackson possessed child pornography has been debunked according to the statutes of the United States government.

Cosby explained how he didn't rape all those women, while he explained how he raped all those women.

As I said, I'm not aware of the particulars of the Cosby situation and furthermore that last sentence makes no sense to me. Bill Cosby is not Michael Jackson.

Being in possession of "art" involving images of children nude or in the case of the stuff with kids heads placed on nude adults, while being the guy who built mini-Disneyland on his property and had sleep overs with kids is perfectly normal. Of course it is.

The material you're describing has been praised by art aficionados as a masterpiece of surrealism, including reviews on Amazon praising such works as (paraphrasing), "This book was recommended to me by the author's mother who was a high school art teacher for many years".

How many nude paintings or photographs feature nude women as their subjects? Are all the artists who produce this work merely horndogs? How about the many art lovers of the world? Are they secretly getting their jollies to the depiction of naked flesh?

Are we to assume that the scores of people who rave about "Apocalypse Now" are warmongers and advocates of animal abuse because it is extremely violent and contains a scene of an animal being slaughtered?

But nah, I am sure it is all a coincidence.

You're arguing from emotion instead of logic. Where was your outrage when Oprah had her featured pajama-clad sleepover party with a group of underage girls for her show? I didn't see any from anyone.

I suppose it's her lack of obvious cosmetic surgery that made it ok for her to sit in a bed with a group of underage girls in pajamas.

 

[MurkeNyou]

I still can't believe people are making excuses for the guy. Never liked him, too many kids he played with grew up messed up (Cory Feldman, Macaulay Culkin), and the reasoning (he was a good musician) doesn't get around what he disclosed in court. He was a Pedo.