So apparently Michael Jackson really was sick

[DeadPresident]

Speaking as a Michael fan (though not biased) since 91, I can personally assure that this story is hogwash and sensationalism at its finest.

This story is also not new at all and has been discussed to death. After a lot of digging over the years, the actual "evidence" they found was actually just an art book featuring children (yes some nude) that they labeled "Child Pornography" until they found out that the book was 100% legal and wasn't purchased by Jackson but instead sent by fans. Not to mention it wasn't in with his main things but instead in storage with his other things sent by fans of which nothing incriminating was found. The rest of what they found was purely fabrication.

In his dresser drawers they found a few playboys and pornographic tapes, one of which I believe was called "Big ghetto booty 5" or something to that degree. They said he would use those to seduce young boys ect. But I ask you, what red blooded man hasn't watched pornography at one point or another? Just because he destroyed his face with plastic surgery and acted "strange" to a lot of people does not make him a predator. If that's the case then Lil Kim is a child molester as well....

And for people bringing up OJ, well there's a huge difference there.. OJ had a history of being a violent prick. Not to mention the evidence was stacked to the roof but somehow they flubbed the case and he walked. Michael on the other hand was always on a quest to help people and was quoted by many people as being incredibly "Normal" behind closed doors. Now I'm not like most fans and won't paint him as an angel. He certainly had his stupid moments and made a lot of bad decisions, but he was no monster and it's about time people let the allegations rest as well as this great man/musician/humanitarian/father/son.

Oh, totes.

 

[Chesterfield]

So one needs to have their rape or sexual abuse filmed or it didn't happen?

Since when has filming been the only means and proof of evidence?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Your reply was better DeadPresident.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Since when has filming been the only means and proof of evidence?

What other "hard evidence" outside of witnesses would there be? And everyone there worked for Jackson. Even the use of a rape kit isn't 100% verifiable of rape, and well I am guessing Jackson made sure those kids showered before the went home.

So please, what is your example of hard evidence in such cases?

 

[Fincher]

I assume this stuff is photo copied, which means changing handwriting would be rather difficult.

Police reports are typed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Police reports are typed.

First page is typed out, with handwriting on it. That is as far as I am going in reading what is in it.

But reports of nude kids, images of kids faces placed on nude adult bodies, etc. Yeah, if you want to live in denial, that is your thing. I am sure we can all think of reasons to own "art books" with nude kids and playing kids faces on adult nude bodies.

 

[Marvolo]

There comes a point when people need to come to terms with the fact that Jackson was a ****ed up wierdo. That doesnt mean he couldn't write and produce good music. He could and he did. It doesnt even mean that you arent allowed to enjoy the music he made. The music he made is and will always be good music regardless of Jackson's personal problems and crimes.

I still like some of his music, and will continue to do so even knowing what sort of person he was. But I also am not going to stubbornly defend the man, and live in denial just because I like some of his music. I don’t need to like Jackson to like his music. I can separate the art from the man's personal life.

The same way I can separate Mel Gibson's great films from his bigotry and craziness. The same way I can separate Cruise the Scientologist weirdo from Cruise's work in film. And the same way I can separate Roman Polanski the pedophile from Roman Polanski's films.

 

[Knightfall]

There comes a point when people need to come to terms wirh the fact that the man was a ****ed up wierdo. That doesnt mean he couldn't write and produce good music. He could and he did. It doesnt even mean you cant enjoy the music he made. The music is and will always be good music regardless of Jackson's personal problems and crimes.

I still like some of his music and will continue to do so even knowing what sort of person he was. But I also am not going to stubbornly defend the man and live in denial just because I like some of his music. I did need to like Jackson to like his music. I can separate the art from the man's personal life. The same way I can separate Mel Gibson's great films from his bigotry and craziness. The same way I can separate Cruise the Scientologist weirdo from Cruise's work in film. And the same way I can separate Roman Polanski the pedophile from Roman Polanski's films.

It has nothing to do with liking his music. I love his music but if I thought for even a single solitary moment that this man was what everyone claimed he was then I'd immediately disengage from his music. That's also a pretty bold claim to say emphatically without a doubt that he was a "F***** up weirdo". Have you ever spent time with the man? Have you ever done your research or are you like the millions of other people who hear word of mouth and spout it as fact?

I think in a lot of ways(not to get political) that Michael's legacy is a lot like Donald Trump's current reputation. He gets treated like a common day Hitler, everyone seems to hate him but most don't know a thing about him beyond "He said, she said" and everything he says is misconstrued but if you ask a person why they don't like Trump then it's the same ol "He's racist" ect so forth.

I urge you people to do your own research, get to know the man as best you can through what is out there and before you judge or condemn him as a predator/monster... Remember that he did a lot of good for this world.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

It has nothing to do with liking his music. I love his music but if I thought for even a single solitary moment that this man was what everyone claimed he was then I'd immediately disengage from his music. That's also a pretty bold claim to say emphatically without a doubt that he was a "F***** up weirdo". Have you ever spent time with the man? Have you ever done your research or are you like the millions of other people who hear word of mouth and spout it as fact?

I think in a lot of ways(not to get political) that Michael's legacy is a lot like Donald Trump's current reputation. He gets treated like a common day Hitler, everyone seems to hate him but most don't know a thing about him beyond "He said, she said" and everything he says is misconstrued but if you ask a person why they don't like Trump then it's the same ol "He's racist" ect so forth.

I urge you people to do your own research, get to know the man as best you can through what is out there and before you judge or condemn him as a predator/monster... Remember that he did a lot of good for this world.

bruh, you serious? Trump has gone on national television and said the USA should commit war crimes by targeting terrorist's families. Y'know, women and children. The words came out of his mouth.

He also went on record as saying he would borrow a bunch of money for the nation and not pay it back. he would just negotiate a better price. Or as economist would call it, defaulting on the national debt and throwing the entire world's economy into freefall.

I agree nobody should jump to conclusions about MJ until everything is verified but for the love of God, make a better freaking analogy.

 

[Marvolo]

It has nothing to do with liking his music. I love his music but if I thought for even a single solitary moment that this man was what everyone claimed he was then I'd immediately disengage from his music. That's also a pretty bold claim to say emphatically without a doubt that he was a "F***** up weirdo". Have you ever spent time with the man? Have you ever done your research or are you like the millions of other people who hear word of mouth and spout it as fact?

I think in a lot of ways(not to get political) that Michael's legacy is a lot like Donald Trump's current reputation. He gets treated like a common day Hitler, everyone seems to hate him but most don't know a thing about him beyond "He said, she said" and everything he says is misconstrued but if you ask a person why they don't like Trump then it's the same ol "He's racist" ect so forth.

I urge you people to do your own research, get to know the man as best you can through what is out there and before you judge or condemn as a predator/monster... Remember that he did a lot of good for this world.

After everything Ive heard and read and seen of Jackson in my 26 years of being alive he seems to me to be a ****ed up weirdo. Im sure he loved his mama and was nice to his friends and had hobbies like most people, but knowing all that doesnt change the fact that he was a weird person that seemed to have some unsavory skeletons in his closet.

And dont even try to defend Trump and say he isnt a misogynist and a racist and a bigot. He's been on the news non stop for over a year (and twitter for years) saying all kinds of disgusting ignorant racist and bigoted ****. When it comes to Trump its a lot more than he said she said. Who and what Trump is is well documented and has been for decades.

And Trump is compared to Hitler because he uses populist and demagogue tactics and his methods and actions and beliefs about the state of this country and the way he uses that belief to rile up the people bears a striking resemblence to Hitler's early days in the late 20s early 30s. Trump doesnt need to gas jews and start a world war for a hitler comparison to be valid.

 

[Marvolo]

bruh, you serious? Trump has gone on national television and said the USA should commit war crimes by targeting terrorist's families. Y'know, women and children. The words came out of his mouth.

He also went on record as saying he would borrow a bunch of money for the nation and not pay it back. he would just negotiate a better price. Or as economist would call it, defaulting on the national debt and throwing the entire world's economy into freefall.

I agree nobody should jump to conclusions about MJ until everything is verified but for the love of God, make a better freaking analogy.

Bruh, all that stuff is he said she said and media fabrications. Trump is a swell guy. You would realize this if you would just build a shrine to him and steal his trash. Ya know, really get to know the man.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Of course he is a Trump support. That explains a lot actually.

 

[Kyle]

Well now we all know who Knightfall's going to vote for:

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On this, it would be awesome if they have People vs OJ series type thing.

 

[giveyourself12%]

People this is old news and has been pretty well debunked/explained.

https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/07/13/porn-found-in-michael-jacksons-home-2/

TL;DR: Most of the "offending" literature can be purchased on Amazon and has received positive reviews.

I'll also note that whomever is behind this latest upload of supposed dirt on Michael Jackson has added censor bars to paintings/photographs of clothed subjects, thereby misleading the viewer.

Everyone, Hilldawg and Trumpzilla fans alike, do your research before making an ASS out of U and ME and (Assume)-ing anything.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Most, so not all. Okay...

This is just like the Cosby situation. The evidence was out there, people just didn't know. Now people know and are acting accordingly.

 

[Knightfall]

Actually I never said I was voting for Trump. I'm probably not voting for any of them but if I did then It would be Trump, however this is not the politics thread so I'll leave it there. You people are just proving more and more that everything you people spew as fact is actually just word of mouth that you hear and then you try to pass it off as common knowledge. Please educate yourselves...

 

[giveyourself12%]

Most, so not all. Okay...

Ha...we're not gonna have any straws left if you keep grasping at them all. Why'd you ignore the rest of my post?

This is just like the Cosby situation. The evidence was out there, people just didn't know. Now people know and are acting accordingly.

Again, this MJ stuff has been debunked/explained for years. I don't know about the Cosby situation.

Please read the article before acting as if you have all the information or "evidence" as you call it. I know that's not as much fun...but y'know...the truth and stuff.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

There comes a point when people need to come to terms with the fact that Jackson was a ****ed up wierdo. That doesnt mean he couldn't write and produce good music. He could and he did. It doesnt even mean that you arent allowed to enjoy the music he made. The music he made is and will always be good music regardless of Jackson's personal problems and crimes.

I still like some of his music, and will continue to do so even knowing what sort of person he was. But I also am not going to stubbornly defend the man, and live in denial just because I like some of his music. I don’t need to like Jackson to like his music. I can separate the art from the man's personal life.

The same way I can separate Mel Gibson's great films from his bigotry and craziness. The same way I can separate Cruise the Scientologist weirdo from Cruise's work in film. And the same way I can separate Roman Polanski the pedophile from Roman Polanski's films.

See, some just can't make the separation though, and I admit I'm guilty of that, not necessarily here though as not a huge MJ to begin with. I'm referring to I used to love the Jeepers Creepers films, until I found out about the things Victor Salva was convicted for. Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth trying to watch them now.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ha...we're not gonna have any straws left if you keep grasping at them all. Why'd you ignore the rest of my post?

Saying that most of it is perfectly fine art, whether you agree or not, avoids that you aren't talking about all the material.

Again, this MJ stuff has been debunked/explained for years. I don't know about the Cosby situation.

Please read the article before acting as if you have all the information or "evidence" as you call it. I know that's not as much fun...but y'know...the truth and stuff.

Explaining something does not debunk it. Cosby explained how he didn't rape all those women, while he explained how he raped all those women.

Being in possession of "art" involving images of children nude or in the case of the stuff with kids heads placed on nude adults, while being the guy who built mini-Disneyland on his property and had sleep overs with kids is perfectly normal. Of course it is.

But nah, I am sure it is all a coincidence.

 

[Marvolo]

Actually I never said I was voting for Trump. I'm probably not voting for any of them but if I did then It would be Trump, however this is not the politics thread so I'll leave it there. You people are just proving more and more that everything you people spew as fact is actually just word of mouth that you hear and then you try to pass it off as common knowledge. Please educate yourselves...

Yeah, straight from Trump's mouth. Or are you trying to tell me the Trump on tv is a fake Trump and hos words on twitter and in interviews and his own books are just some elaborate conspiracy to discredit the man?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Here is a sfw list of the items listed in the report.

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/21/items-discovered-police-michael-jackson/

 

[auditor]

If this is the same story going the last few years, it's been debunked.

I think with regards to certain cases like the Jordy Chandler case, as well as wade Robin's accusation, we'll never know the truth.

But I find no credibility in the animal torture and sex slave stuff. People will always add stuff on and pile on. There was a hoax about FBI files that turned out not to exist. This actually sounds like an extension of the same rumor.

The FBI director himself came out and debunked that rumor. The leaked documents were fake, and even confirmed that under U.S. law if the FBI or other agencies of law enforcement had evidence of past behavior, they would have been bound to turn it over to the prosecutor in the 2005 trial.

Nothing like this came up at trial. And those prosecutors spent like over a hundred million dollars investing and searching places. I think it was a 112 million actually.

But unless it's in a police department's database or on file in a police station in their actual case files, I have no way of knowing what it is. Just because someone says a police file says something, that doesn't mean a police report actually says that.

 

[Knightfall]

the guy who built mini-Disneyland on his property and had sleep overs with kids is perfectly normal. Of course it is

So now a man with a boat load of money building his own amusement park at his house(mind you he couldn't go to normal theme parks without being mobbed) is suspect? So when other celebrities purchase homes with basketball courts and swimming pools they're attempting to lure in young children right? Get real..

Not to mention, after he had that installed (which was mainly for his own personal use) he also would bring in children with terminal illnesses to ride the rides, eat candy and all the other junk food they wanted and pet the animals ect for FREE! This is a man that gave back! He didn't want the praise for it either.

Now the sleepovers with children I'll admit looks bad. However it wasn't, not every kid slept in Michael's bed and those who did had parents that willingly allowed it. Nothing went on inside the bedroom besides innocent fun. In his mind it might not have looked bad but it didn't help his image at all. Nevertheless Michael was simply a victim of poor decisions and stupidity that painted him in a bad light and made him a monster in the media.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So now a man with a boat load of money building his own amusement park at his house(mind you he couldn't go to normal theme parks without being mobbed) is suspect? So when other celebrities purchase homes with basketball courts and swimming pools they're attempting to lure in young children right? Get real..

Not to mention, after he had that installed (which was mainly for his own personal use) he also would bring in children with terminal illnesses to ride the rides, eat candy and all the other junk food they wanted and pet the animals ect for FREE! This is a man that gave back! He didn't want the praise for it either.

Now the sleepovers with children I'll admit looks bad. However it wasn't, not every kid slept in Michael's bed and those who did had parents that willingly allowed it. Nothing went on inside the bedroom besides innocent fun. In his mind it might not have looked bad but it didn't help his image at all. Nevertheless Michael was simply a victim of poor decisions and stupidity that painted him in a bad light and made him a monster in the media.

It is when they invite kids over for sleepovers. Helping people does not mean you can't also hurt people.

A guy like Cam Newton does a lot for kids. Even as I dislike him as a football player, I think it is rather amazing how much work he does for kids. But he somehow does all this without needing kids to have PJ parties with him.

I like how you say not every kid slept in Michael's bed, meaning some did. I mean come on. And how exactly do you know it was "innocent fun"? Because the grown man who slept with kids in his bed and had images of nude kids all over his house said it was?

Many like to claim Jackson was childlike, in that case what was the porn for? Not the art, the good old fashion porn.

 

[BestGirl]

Jackson getting the parents' permission to have their kids sleep in his bed (lol at anyone defending that BTW) is meaningless. Pedophile priests routinely visited their victims' homes, tucked them into bed, and took them away on trips with their parents' permission as well.