So apparently Michael Jackson really was sick

[Defacto]

MJ had a huge porn collection for a man who is a "child at heart". That's just a fact. So there is that, even if those kiddie nude books were "art" books.

And if MJ really was living his childhood, what 12-14 year old boys walk hand in hand? They don't. I don't know which part of childhood is grown ass man walking hand in hand with boys. And then he jumps on stage and turns into this sexual dance machine. SO yeah, totally innocent man child.

He was a manipulative pedo. There's no other way around it. This "innocent" Mickey Mouse Peter Pan persona was just a mirage. Maybe he partly did believe it himself too, but it was perfect for his predatory pedo behaviour.

 

[giveyourself12%]

I still can't believe people are making excuses for the guy. Never liked him, too many kids he played with grew up messed up (Cory Feldman, Macaulay Culkin), and the reasoning (he was a good musician) doesn't get around what he disclosed in court. He was a Pedo.

Both of those men have said that Mr. Jackson was never in appropriate with them in any way. Given how outspoken they have been in advocating for child actors and bringing to light the abuse they too often endure, I doubt they're being dishonest. Especially Feldman who has no qualms about exposing the sexual abuse that he himself has experienced.

 

[Dark Raven]

Was he bald at the time of his death? How much of his hair was a wig?

Or is that like asking how much of his face was real?

 

[Schlosser85]

I still can't believe people are making excuses for the guy. Never liked him, too many kids he played with grew up messed up (Cory Feldman, Macaulay Culkin), and the reasoning (he was a good musician) doesn't get around what he disclosed in court. He was a Pedo.

In fairness, Feldman has claimed the guy who molested him and Corey Haim was a publicist or something to that effect on a movie set, not Michael Jackson.

 

[Schlosser85]

Was he bald at the time of his death? How much of his hair was a wig?

Or is that like asking how much of his face was real?

Not much of it. What was going on with that thing where his nose used to be?

 

[giveyourself12%]

Was he bald at the time of his death? How much of his hair was a wig?

Or is that like asking how much of his face was real?

We can either discuss whether kids were actually preyed upon or we can talk about cosmetic choices or whatever other unrelated stuff you guys think is more fun.

 

[Galactus123]

All of the material mentioned in the documents was commercially available at some point. The material that isn't currently commercially available is simply out of print

As I'm sure you're aware, possessing child pornography is illegal. None of the material mentioned in the documents was deemed as such by the authorities. They've had years to investigate it.

Had any of the materials been determined to be obscene, pornographic, or pedophilic they would have been banned, likely never published at all, or brought forward at Mr. Jackson's trials as his legal adult material was.

Also, none of the materials mentioned in the documents was self-produced save for photographs described in the documents as shirtless barely clothed black teens who are in certain shots posing with Mr. Jackson. That's a pretty salacious way to describe an album cover shoot, wouldn't you agree? I believe the album is still available. I hear it's pretty good.




Yes it does in this case. The assertion that Mr. Jackson possessed child pornography has been debunked according to the statutes of the United States government.




As I said, I'm not aware of the particulars of the Cosby situation and furthermore that last sentence makes no sense to me. Bill Cosby is not Michael Jackson.



The material you're describing has been praised by art aficionados as a masterpiece of surrealism, including reviews on Amazon praising such works as (paraphrasing), "This book was recommended to me by the author's mother who was a high school art teacher for many years".

How many nude paintings or photographs feature nude women as their subjects? Are all the artists who produce this work merely horndogs? How about the many art lovers of the world? Are they secretly getting their jollies to the depiction of naked flesh?

Are we to assume that the scores of people who rave about "Apocalypse Now" are warmongers and advocates of animal abuse because it is extremely violent and contains a scene of an animal being slaughtered?



You're arguing from emotion instead of logic. Where was your outrage when Oprah had her featured pajama-clad sleepover party with a group of underage girls for her show? I didn't see any from anyone.

I suppose it's her lack of obvious cosmetic surgery that made it ok for her to sit in a bed with a group of underage girls in pajamas.

Great post. It's sad to think that most people will so easily believe what the tabloids say.

 

[TX85]

Denial is strong with some of you! Has Rodrigo posted in here? Poor guy must be feeling crushed.

 

[giveyourself12%]

Denial is strong with some of you! Has Rodrigo posted in here? Poor guy must be feeling crushed.

Denial is holding an irrational position with no regard to facts. I think I and others have brought many enlightening facts to bear to support our opinions and haven't as of yet been rebutted due to people not wanting to have the debate and thus ignoring said facts.

I'm not on anyone's side here, I just want logic and critical thinking to win out in every instance it can.

 

[chaseter]

Logic states that gown adults that are attracted (emotionally and/or sexually) are a pedo and/or mentally disturbed. The fact that he had tons of porn, had weird children's books, and was accused of giving out Jesus Juice, coupled with his penchant for children, probably means he was a pedo. I think it's safe to make that leap.

 

[Galactus123]

Logic states that gown adults that are attracted (emotionally and/or sexually) are a pedo and/or mentally disturbed. The fact that he had tons of porn, had weird children's books, and was accused of giving out Jesus Juice, coupled with his penchant for children, probably means he was a pedo. I think it's safe to make that leap.

The arts books he had are commercially available at Amazon for example. They are art books. They suddenly become child porn because Michael Jackson had them?

 

[Victarion]

Denial is holding an irrational position with no regard to facts. I think I and others have brought many enlightening facts to bear to support our opinions and haven't as of yet been rebutted due to people not wanting to have the debate and thus ignoring said facts.

I'm not on anyone's side here, I just want logic and critical thinking to win out in every instance it can.

Entire civilizations sprang up around denial.

 

[Defacto]

The arts books he had are commercially available at Amazon for example. They are art books. They suddenly become child porn because Michael Jackson had them?

Past the "not pedo" art books, he still had insane collection of gay and straight porn. That goes against his clean innocent man child image that he was trying to make the world believe.

 

[Galactus123]

Past the "bot pedo" art books, he still had insane porn collection of gay and straight porn. That goes against his clean innocent man child image that he was trying to make the world believe.

He was childlike but it doesn't mean he is not an adult. I don't find anything wrong with having normal porn. There was no illegal porn.

 

[Defacto]

He was childlike but it doesn't mean he is not an adult. I don't find anything wrong with having normal porn. There was no illegal porn.

Sure. His mind wasn't thinking sexually when he was with kids. His mind just didn't work that way, as he said. Gimme a break. He had obsessive fixation for young boys specially. For some reason he needed them to live his childhood fantasy. Which aparently included walking hand in hand with boys. Because that's what heterosexual boys do when they hang out with their friends...

 

[Warhammer]

I can still enjoy their work.

There is an exception
I never listened to the band Lostprophets, but their lead singer was a rapist and conspired to rape a baby. A baby. That is so ****ing disgusting that I would have made an exception for that band if I'd been a fan.

Wow!



I had no idea that he even was in prison. I love two or three of their songs. I just thought Lostprophets fell off. Then I read Ian Watkins's Wiki page. He is one sick f***er.

I wish he wiukd gotten sentenced in the US because he would gave been sentenced to nuch longer without the possibility of parole.

 

[giveyourself12%]

Entire civilizations sprang up around denial.

I think we're seeing a burgeoning one here.

 

[BestGirl]

You're arguing from emotion instead of logic. Where was your outrage when Oprah had her featured pajama-clad sleepover party with a group of underage girls for her show? I didn't see any from anyone.

I suppose it's her lack of obvious cosmetic surgery that made it ok for her to sit in a bed with a group of underage girls in pajamas.

Had Oprah ever been accused of child molestation? If she had, and continued holding teen pajama parties anyway, you can bet that would've raised some eyebrows.

 

[MurkeNyou]

Both of those men have said that Mr. Jackson was never in appropriate with them in any way. Given how outspoken they have been in advocating for child actors and bringing to light the abuse they too often endure, I doubt they're being dishonest. Especially Feldman who has no qualms about exposing the sexual abuse that he himself has experienced.

I don't really buy into that given Feldmans "on the nose" MJ fetish in the 90's. Again, plenty of smoke, but MJ spent those millions on keeping his image up. I know people don't like it, but you cannot ignore the obviousness.

 

[Victarion]

I think we're seeing a burgeoning one here.

I can't disagree.

 

[chamber-music]

Why wasn't he arrested if this is all real evidence?

Generally speaking people will turned a blind eye to all sorts of messed up stuff if the perpetrator is rich, powerful, successful or has influence.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't really buy into that given Feldmans "on the nose" MJ fetish in the 90's. Again, plenty of smoke, but MJ spent those millions on keeping his image up. I know people don't like it, but you cannot ignore the obviousness.

MJ's rhinoplasty was a little too on the nose.

 

[giveyourself12%]

Generally speaking people will turned a blind eye to all sorts of messed up stuff if the perpetrator is rich, powerful, successful or has influence.

So the District Attorney, who had a ridiculous Michael Jackson tip hotline/webpage set up, said, "You know what? All this stuff we've got here to bust him on...let's just forget about it." And the Sheriff's department went, "Sounds good to us. Let's go get pizza"?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Denial is holding an irrational position with no regard to facts. I think I and others have brought many enlightening facts to bear to support our opinions and haven't as of yet been rebutted due to people not wanting to have the debate and thus ignoring said facts.

I'm not on anyone's side here, I just want logic and critical thinking to win out in every instance it can.

Logic and critical thinking indicate that he at least was attracted to young boys.

- People finding "value" in art of young naked boys does not mean that someone else can't use such images for sexual gratification. And he had a lot of it.

- For someone who presented himself as childlike and almost asexual after trying to pass off the idea of what the public would consider "normalcy" through marriage, he went with the, "I am a little boy in a grown man's body" routine while having plenty of actual porn around his house. Porn that indicated he was at least attracted to males, no matter their age.

- This man who had images of naked children around his house built an amusement park in his house, which he he invited many children to.

- This same man knowingly slept in bed with children who were not his own.

- He was was accused of child molestation twice, and paid off at least one accuser.

So it is more logical to believe he didn't do it, then he did. Okay...

 

[Knightfall]

Past the "not pedo" art books, he still had insane collection of gay and straight porn. That goes against his clean innocent man child image that he was trying to make the world believe.

First off he didn't own any gay pornography but even if he did what's wrong with that? And yes he had various playboys and like I said I think I remember a report from 07ish saying he even had a copy of "Ghetto booty 5" or something to that degree. But I ask you, what red blooded male has not owned or atleast watched porn before? Now are you saying it's impossible to watch porn and be a nice person that is childlike? That preposterous! However, I will say this.. He was a great humanitarian and very childlike person but a lot of it was an act to cater to the image his fans had of him. There have been various reports of Mj just flat out being a "playa" if you will.

Pharrell has said before that Michael would have 2-3 Brazilian women around him at one time walking around half naked. Frank Delio said that Michael had quite a few sexual flings with some celebrities of whom's identity they won't divulge. Hell even Lisa Marie said he was a much different relaxed man that even spoke in a manlier register behind closed doors. Now obviously none of this is proof that he didn't do it but it's more insight into the man. At the heart of it all Michael was a normal man, childlike? Yes to a degree but innocent and just loved the company of children. Eccentricities? Yea, stupid decisions? Tons! But not a pedo

Generally speaking people will turned a blind eye to all sorts of messed up stuff if the perpetrator is rich, powerful, successful or has influence.

Youre kidding right? People wanted Michael's A** more than OJ! There was simply no evidence to be found!