So now they're suddenly promising the costume...

[Miken Ayers]

So we had reshoots a couple months back. Which probably means there's a little scene tacked on at the end of the film with them wearing the suits, less and less of the cast and crew telling the media "don't expect the comics", and now Miles Teller keeps saying "I wish I could talk about this film".

Not saying the reshoots were significant enough to make this a different movie, but this feels like minimal effort damage control. It'll still probably be 99% the movie they already filmed plus one shot of the costumes. But this does make it apparent that their confidence is in the toilet now that the fanbase spent the better part of a year demanding this fails.

Next right before the movie hits theaters cast members will pull a Dragonball Evolution promising the sequel will be more like the source material. Which is no different than saying, "Endure this movie so we can make a good sequel".

 

[RAE072]

Next right before the movie hits theaters cast members will pull a Dragonball Evolution promising the sequel will be more like the source material. Which is no different than saying, "Endure this movie so we can make a good sequel".

We've got people saying that now here on these boards. "Saving up the GOOD stuff for the sequel!"

And I'm sure the reshoots are waaaaayyy more extensive than that. And they'll force them into the movie making it a different incoherent mess than it previously was going to be.

Movie's going to just be not good.

 

[Tony Stark]

Failure is the best thing at this point. I am actively rooting for this thing to bomb. They had a chance to embrace the fans, even with the changes and throw them a bone. Instead they decided to hide in secrecy and say "FU" to the fans.

I have no idea if Ant-Man will be any good, but that production was plagued with more contraversy than this one, and there are a ton of changes from the comics, but Feige went out and faced the criticism head on, he opened up interviews with the cast and crew a year in advance. There are alot of people still upset about firing Edgar Wright, but even people who disagree with that decision can't deny that Marvel was as upfront as they could be about the situation, and didn't try to hide it from the public.

 

[Destructus86]

I'm pretty sure it's damage control. They will introduce something SOMEWHAT similar to the costumes at the very end of the film.

 

[psylockolussus]

I can't wait to see the final set of costumes!

 

[RAE072]

I can't wait to see the final set of costumes!

As if we're getting any.

 

[Spiderine]

They must have listened to the complaints so they are trying to salvage this POS film.

 

[Flint Marko]

If the plan all along was to have the final costumes be in the movie for any significant amount of time, then MBJ would have hinted at something like that during his interview. Going back and re-reading it, he is directly asked about the costumes and says, "They are containment suits. It's gritty". At no point does he hint at there being an evolution of suits, he speaks about the black, drab garbage bags as the suits used primarily throughout filming.

 

[Dasher10]

These were probably added during reshoots after the final battle. It'll either be the last scene or post-credits.

The Sony deal won't happen as long as the X-Men are doing well. The rights will either be sold back, we'll get a sequel or Fox will hold on to the rights and reboot in another eight years.

Best case scenario, the film is kind of slow but it's watchable kind of like the first Star Trek film except with terrible costumes. The sequel fixes things like Wrath of Khan did. Marvel and Fox merge universes in a Secret Wars crossover film.

This would give us the FF film we've always wanted in 2017 and allows an Avengers/X-Men crossover film.

The alternatives are waiting until 2020 at the earliest if the rights revert or wait for the next reboot in 2023 if Fox holds on to the rights. Fox lacks any incentive to merge universes in the former scenario since they'll have just given up the FF. Marvel lacks any incentive to merge universes since Fox won't be mining all their IP with the latter situation.

Be careful what you wish for. I for one am already growing tired of reboots and I'm almost certain that by the 2020s people won't want yet more reboots.

 

[Zarex]

These were probably added during reshoots after the final battle. It'll either be the last scene or post-credits.

The Sony deal won't happen as long as the X-Men are doing well. The rights will either be sold back, we'll get a sequel or Fox will hold on to the rights and reboot in another eight years.

Best case scenario, the film is kind of slow but it's watchable kind of like the first Star Trek film except with terrible costumes. The sequel fixes things like Wrath of Khan did. Marvel and Fox merge universes in a Secret Wars crossover film.

This would give us the FF film we've always wanted in 2017 and allows an Avengers/X-Men crossover film.

The alternatives are waiting until 2020 at the earliest if the rights revert or wait for the next reboot in 2023 if Fox holds on to the rights. Fox lacks any incentive to merge universes in the former scenario since they'll have just given up the FF. Marvel lacks any incentive to merge universes since Fox won't be mining all their IP with the latter situation.

Be careful what you wish for. I for one am already growing tired of reboots and I'm almost certain that by the 2020s people won't want yet more reboots.

Marvel will never merge universes with FOX. Spidey got the special treatment because he's Spidey. He's Marvel's most profitable character, and too big to fail. No characters or characters licensed to FOX would ever get that treatment.

With Avengers, Guardians, Defenders and Inhumans all up and running over the next few years, and perhaps Midnight Sons as well, Marvel does not need to work out any arrangement with FOX that doesn't involve full reversion. I'm hoping that happens with the FF, because that's the only way we'll see them in the MCU.

 

[Dasher10]

Marvel will never merge universes with FOX. Spidey got the special treatment because he's Spidey. He's Marvel's most profitable character, and too big to fail. No characters or characters licensed to FOX would ever get that treatment.

With Avengers, Guardians, Defenders and Inhumans all up and running over the next few years, and perhaps Midnight Sons as well, Marvel does not need to work out any arrangement with FOX that doesn't involve full reversion. I'm hoping that happens with the FF, because that's the only way we'll see them in the MCU.

The X-Men are also big characters. Their comics sell incredibly well and around a third of Marvel's Secret Wars output revolves around them (normally about a fourth) so they do matter. Plus, the X-Men have a lot of cosmic stuff which Marvel wants/could use.

Marvel absolutely would want to work out a deal with Fox over the X-Men because they are profitable. They aren't D-list characters.

The Fantastic Four have seen better days. I'm not entirely sure how this film will turn out and even if it succeeds, I don't know if it'll wind up doing all that well at the box office.

 

[Flint Marko]

I don't think Marvel and Fox will ever work together like they are with Sony.

 

[Miken Ayers]

I'm pretty sure it's damage control. They will introduce something SOMEWHAT similar to the costumes at the very end of the film.

Me too, but it's too little too late.

 

[Dasher10]

I don't think Marvel and Fox will ever work together like they are with Sony.

They did work together on the 90s animated series as well as the first two X-Men films. Then Marvel decided to make a live-action X-Men TV show which they legally couldn't do. Then Fox decided that they didn't need Marvel meddling in their films and butchered Daredevil in the editing room, then gave us Elektra both Tim Story FF movies X3 and X-Men Origins.

Things didn't improve until Tom Rothman left since Rothman notoriously hated genre films and viewed them as potbiolers that would give the studio money and had no artistic meric. To Rothman, trying to take a genre film seriously and putting serious effort into it was a waste of time since he just wanted people to phone it in, take their paycheck and leave. Emma Watts and Jim Gianopulos have been busy repairing the damage he caused.

Fox and Disney already co-produced Lincoln and are in negotiations to put an X-Factor show on the air.

The main problem is that Fox is being difficult with merch rights since they won't sell their cut of the merch revenue back to Marvel. Fox whatever reason, Fox feels like things are better when there is no merchandise being produced to promote the film than merch which they won't be able to profit from.

 

[Flint Marko]

They did work together on the 90s animated series as well as the first two X-Men films. Then Marvel decided to make a live-action X-Men TV show which they legally couldn't do. Then Fox decided that they didn't need Marvel meddling in their films and butchered Daredevil in the editing room, then gave us Elektra both Tim Story FF movies X3 and X-Men Origins.

Things didn't improve until Tom Rothman left since Rothman notoriously hated genre films and viewed them as potbiolers that would give the studio money and had no artistic meric. To Rothman, trying to take a genre film seriously and putting serious effort into it was a waste of time since he just wanted people to phone it in, take their paycheck and leave. Emma Watts and Jim Gianopulos have been busy repairing the damage he caused.

Fox and Disney already co-produced Lincoln and are in negotiations to put an X-Factor show on the air.

The main problem is that Fox is being difficult with merch rights since they won't sell their cut of the merch revenue back to Marvel. Fox whatever reason, Fox feels like things are better when there is no merchandise being produced to promote the film than merch which they won't be able to profit from.

I did not know much of this, very insightful.
It's interesting you mention that bit about merchandising, there's a poster here who regularly complains about the lack of X-merchandise but the way he describes it, I thought Marvel/Disney was at fault. Interesting how things clarify when you have the full story.

 

[Zarex]

The X-Men are also big characters. Their comics sell incredibly well and around a third of Marvel's Secret Wars output revolves around them (normally about a fourth) so they do matter. Plus, the X-Men have a lot of cosmic stuff which Marvel wants/could use.

Marvel absolutely would want to work out a deal with Fox over the X-Men because they are profitable. They aren't D-list characters.

The Fantastic Four have seen better days. I'm not entirely sure how this film will turn out and even if it succeeds, I don't know if it'll wind up doing all that well at the box office.

I'm not knocking the X Men. FOX has control of a lot of great characters, and as Whedon said many top female characters. I'm certain if FOX was willing to cut a deal Marvel would write a sizable check to bring them home.

What I can't see is Marvel inviting FOX into the MCU like they've done with Sony. Too many cooks, not enough upside in that transaction.

 

[Zarex]

The main problem is that Fox is being difficult with merch rights since they won't sell their cut of the merch revenue back to Marvel. Fox whatever reason, Fox feels like things are better when there is no merchandise being produced to promote the film than merch which they won't be able to profit from.

I'm not so sure about that. Even if FOX handed over for no charge their tie in %, we wouldn't be seeing shelves filled with "Reed Richards Bungee Disability Suit" and "The Other Quicksilver" action figures. Disney Consumer Products is still going to focus on their guys.

 

[Dasher10]

I did not know much of this, very insightful.
It's interesting you mention that bit about merchandising, there's a poster here who regularly complains about the lack of X-merchandise but the way he describes it, I thought Marvel/Disney was at fault. Interesting how things clarify when you have the full story.

Lol, it's not Marvel just being mean to Fox. It has everything to do with Marvel closing down their Toy Biz subsidiary. It simply isn't profitable to split the profits on the merchandise with Fox when Marvel now outsources their manufacturing.

For whatever reason, Fox doesn't want to give back their right to their cut of the merch back so Marvel isn't making it. Fox knows that they have something to trade Marvel if they ever want something in return, in which case, it's either co-producing a TV show or getting permission to make a TV show on their own.

 

[Dasher10]

I'm not so sure about that. Even if FOX handed over for no charge their tie in %, we wouldn't be seeing shelves filled with "Reed Richards Bungee Disability Suit" and "The Other Quicksilver" action figures. Disney Consumer Products is still going to focus on their guys.

True, but we'd at least see SOME as opposed to none.

 

[Dasher10]

I'm not knocking the X Men. FOX has control of a lot of great characters, and as Whedon said many top female characters. I'm certain if FOX was willing to cut a deal Marvel would write a sizable check to bring them home.

What I can't see is Marvel inviting FOX into the MCU like they've done with Sony. Too many cooks, not enough upside in that transaction.

Yes. It would be a logistical nightmare. Not just between Disney and Fox and their studio heads but also on a producer level between Lauren Schuler Donner and Kevin Feige. (Keep in mind that Donner is not involved with the FF reboot.) The question is whether or not it would be worth it.

Keep in mind that Marvel can still make a Fantastic Four or X-Men animated series and then produce merch for that.

 

[starscream22]

So we had reshoots a couple months back. Which probably means there's a little scene tacked on at the end of the film with them wearing the suits, less and less of the cast and crew telling the media "don't expect the comics", and now Miles Teller keeps saying "I wish I could talk about this film".

Not saying the reshoots were significant enough to make this a different movie, but this feels like minimal effort damage control. It'll still probably be 99% the movie they already filmed plus one shot of the costumes. But this does make it apparent that their confidence is in the toilet now that the fanbase spent the better part of a year demanding this fails.

Next right before the movie hits theaters cast members will pull a Dragonball Evolution promising the sequel will be more like the source material. Which is no different than saying, "Endure this movie so we can make a good sequel".

If you notice in those recent interviews Miles Teller isn't really explaining this movie as much as he is blowing smoke in what seems like a run for Mayor!

He's nervous about this reboot. So when he makes comments like "You’ve got to give that to the fans." and "We'll see what happens, but yes, absolutely, as the thing evolves they should start to materialize to the Fantastic Four people more readily associate with."

He's clearly pleading with Fox to fix this crap just as much as he is pandering to viewers.

It also feels like Teller is still clueless about what's going on here the way he answers those questions. So they throw him a life line. It makes me wanna jump up and shout "Objection! The interviewer is leading the defendant!"

 

[Zarex]

If you notice in those recent interviews Miles Teller isn't really explaining this movie as much as he is blowing smoke in what seems like a run for Mayor!

He's nervous about this reboot. So when he makes comment like "You’ve got to give that to the fans." and "We'll see what happens, but yes, absolutely, as the thing evolves they should start to materialize to the Fantastic Four people more readily associate with."

He's clearly pleading with Fox to fix this crap just as much as he is pandering to viewers.

It also feels like Teller is still clueless about what's going on here the way he answers those questions. So they throw him a life line. It makes me wanna jump up and shout "Objection! The interviewer is leading the defendant!"

It's too little to late, but at least they have toned down the arrogance they exhibited in earlier interviews. Previous statements from Teller, MBJ and Trank were filled with such disdain for both the source material and the fan base it made you wonder if any of them had ever worked on a movie before. If the goal was to coax us into theaters by telling us how Fant4stic was wildly different than both the comics and other successful superhero films, it was an enormous failure.

Apparently, we are totally getting an FF movie - in the sequel. Good to know!

 

[Dasher10]

It's too little to late, but at least they have toned down the arrogance they exhibited in earlier interviews. Previous statements from Teller, MBJ and Trank were filled with such disdain for both the source material and the fan base it made you wonder if any of them had ever worked on a movie before. If the goal was to coax us into theaters by telling us how Fant4stic was wildly different than both the comics and other successful superhero films, it was an enormous failure.

Apparently, we are totally getting an FF movie - in the sequel. Good to know!

Waiting another two years to get the film we actually want! What a genius strategy by Fox.

 

[Docker2.0]

Failure is the best thing at this point. I am actively rooting for this thing to bomb. They had a chance to embrace the fans, even with the changes and throw them a bone. Instead they decided to hide in secrecy and say "FU" to the fans.

I have no idea if Ant-Man will be any good, but that production was plagued with more contraversy than this one, and there are a ton of changes from the comics, but Feige went out and faced the criticism head on, he opened up interviews with the cast and crew a year in advance. There are alot of people still upset about firing Edgar Wright, but even people who disagree with that decision can't deny that Marvel was as upfront as they could be about the situation, and didn't try to hide it from the public.

Nothing but truth. I'm hoping the buzz is so bad on this thing that it makes the original F4 look like a mega blockbuster. Not sure what the budget is on this thing but I think this movie will make at least $75M Dom. I'm hoping it doesn't go over that. Now I think they are trying to win back fans but it's clearly tore down the middle, if not more people want it to bomb. I seem to hear more negative things about it than I do positive, though I do want it to bomb.

 

[Docker2.0]

If you notice in those recent interviews Miles Teller isn't really explaining this movie as much as he is blowing smoke in what seems like a run for Mayor!

He's nervous about this reboot. So when he makes comments like "You’ve got to give that to the fans." and "We'll see what happens, but yes, absolutely, as the thing evolves they should start to materialize to the Fantastic Four people more readily associate with."

He's clearly pleading with Fox to fix this crap just as much as he is pandering to viewers.

It also feels like Teller is still clueless about what's going on here the way he answers those questions. So they throw him a life line. It makes me wanna jump up and shout "Objection! The interviewer is leading the defendant!"

I honestly think that there was tons of problems during production and Fox is trying to save face. The trailer did win some people over(would NEVER win me over)but the negative onslaught this thing is still receiving online..........it will be interesting how much they put into marketing because when the trailer first came out, there was some positive vibes about it. But after a week it's like people got over that quick and it went downhill fast! I am hoping this thing bombs but you are right. The change in tone that the actors have had from the beginning until now is crazy!