So who actually liked the Superman/Wonder Woman as a couple?

[Haggard01]

Considering now with Rebirth that has effectively ended and I bet we will see a "recon" of where that gets down payed. Considering Clark from New 52 died and replaced by pre crisis.

With the Superman comics and the New 52 of pairing Clark/Diana Prince is one paring I actually got behind. The writers had the chance to do something no one saw coming and give the fans who always wondered "What if?" an actually chance to see it happen.

So against all odds the Superman/Wonder Woman pairing really did work and you could see how these two are good for in a romantic relationship of being partners, both on the field and as a couple.

Also it was just a breath of fresh air compared to the 70 something years of Clark/Lois. I mean they did everything they could and yea it need a break to explore something new and different.

That was the Superman/Wonder Woman relationship. Of course you got all the people who just couldn't stand the same old thing blew a massive fit like bomb went off.

Now we've got Clark dead with pre crisis Superman back and married to Lois with a young kid.

Any how what do you guys think?

 

[BlueLanternKal]

They were alright, but clearly written to be broken up.

And a big part of this was that it isolated Lois and Steve from their symbotic relationships with Clark and Diana.

If they were all friends and there was a dynamic between the four I think the Power Couple could've lasted a little longer.

But what DC is doing now is for the best for Superman. Clark as a father, husband, blue collar hero appeals to older men that can relate to that. On the flip you've got Jon who sees him as Superman and all the epicness that entails. He's also a kid that's growing and developing his own powers and role as a superhero. Lois is in there to give the book a mature feminine voice of reason. lt makes the Superman books universal and cross generational and that's what Superman should be; for everyone.

 

[KevanG]

I could see them meeting up every now and then for literal earth shaking hookups but beyond that I don't see it. They seem to be more the 'we have things in common but it wouldnt work in the long run' type of couples.

I like the Lois and Clark relationship because she grounds him more than WW does. WW stays as herself pretty much 24/7 while Clark has his secret ID he uses to unwind and be 'normal' every so often. If he doesn't have that then he gets weird and unlikable.

 

[Batmannerism]

I think it was a relationship that was worth exploring - Frank Miller went there first, and he was onto something.

I would love to see more SM/WW stories, as elseworlds tales. I think they have a lot of potential.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I didn't mind them together. I never took them as true love like Clark/Lois, but more of a starter relationship.

 

[KevanG]

In pretty much every Elseworlds they have WW and SM hook up. Red Son, Kingdom Come, ect.

 

[The Batman]

I thought it was conceptually boring, overrated relationship. The Lois and Clark coupling leaves me indifferent, but I prefer that to Clark and Diana.

 

[Mani-Man]

Its stupid.
Plain and simple, stupid.
In every story where this is explored even a bit, it makes Diana to be nothing more then a love interest or sidekick.
It only lives because of the idea of having two Superpowered characters hook up.

Those who liked it shouldnt worry, DC always tried to shove it down peoples throats...they will do it again and it will be bad again.
Same old same old.

Its something that has no substance and leaves no room to develop.
For that the characters simply dont match in any kind of way.

But god forbid that they do something that could actually work...something like Bruce/Diana for a change.
No sir, lets shove down something that never worked instead.

Signed a angry Wonderbat shipper who dislikes SM/WW with the passion of ten suns.t:

 

[DChero]

I liked the Clark/Diana dynamic. It was the Diana/Bruce one that I never had a taste for. With Clark and Diana, I saw them as equals in the relationship, both with personality and physical power. I never got that from the Timm-verse.

I look at the Clark/Diana run in the New 52 universe as a temporary change of pace from the standard Diana/Steve and Clark/Lois stuff. It's just another area to explore and keep things fresh.

To be honest, if we ever see a canonical world in which Clark outlives Lois and Diana outlives Steve, I'd be okay with the two ending up together again.

 

[nyyarod]

I loved the Superman/Wonder Woman storyline. I prefer them to the Lois/Clark and Diana/Steve relationships.

 

[_Superman_]

Personally I think that Superman and Wonder Woman is really the endgame for the DCU because once Lois and Steve die I think much like KC the two will end up together.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Personally I think that Superman and Wonder Woman is really the endgame for the DCU because once Lois and Steve die I think much like KC the two will end up together.

Nah. The endgame is Superman Prime One Million. After a 15,000 year hibernation in the sun he travels through the multiverse and passes the Source Wall to study from the Source. When he comes back he brings Lois back in his image with Mxy's help. In the 21st century Clark's and Lois' son Jon Kent takes up the mantle of Superman after his mom dies and his pop goes into hibernation and through him the House of El thrives on Earth.

 

[CLARKY]

With the Superman comics and the New 52 of pairing Clark/Diana Prince is one paring I actually got behind. The writers had the chance to do something no one saw coming and give the fans who always wondered "What if?" an actually chance to see it happen.

So against all odds the Superman/Wonder Woman pairing really did work and you could see how these two are good for in a romantic relationship of being partners, both on the field and as a couple.

Also it was just a breath of fresh air compared to the 70 something years of Clark/Lois. I mean they did everything they could and yea it need a break to explore something new and different.

Any how what do you guys think?

I think it worked really fine, and it was about time they assume it. I mean it has been years with WW and Sup flirting, I think it was nice from DC to assume it, and let's the 2 characters have fun and have mountain-shaking s*x and love.

But like someone said here, I felt it was meant to be broken since the beginning.
The whole batman/WW as someone else stated, does not work for me. Batman always has to have everything that Sup has anyway. But I wonder if WW and Aquaman would work. And, in the end, those are fictionnal characters, WW could be with GL, with Plastic man, whatever.
On a conceptual level, I think it works fine to have the 2 gods in love, yes. For superman it's the goddes on one hand (WW) and the human on the other hand (Lois). It's natural to have those 2 extremities.

 

[Mani-Man]

I might understand why people dont think the idea of Batman/Wonder Woman is good...if people would come up with actual reasons that make sense.

But not even DC can come up with reasons why it wouldnt work.
Its always: "It wouldnt work"...but why?
There is no reason why it wouldnt work...especially since steve trevor is just a simple soldier.
Does that mean this also doesnt work?

It speaks for itself that in pretty much every story that involves Superman/Wonder Woman...diana is just a sidekick to clark.

 

[Panthro]

I never really understood the animosity fans had towards Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple. People are allowed to explore their options, after all.

 

[kloker]

I really liked SM/WW as a couple. Wish it was explored more though.

 

[godisawesome]

I never really understood the animosity fans had towards Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple. People are allowed to explore their options, after all.

I know it's against the general purpose of this thread, but if you'll permit me?

At least some of the displeasure expressed towards the Superman and Wonder Woman romance is probably generational and tied into the schisms between fans in each characters' fanbase, while another part is probably annoyance at what can be perceived as a naked publicity stunt.

A guy like me, born in 1990, got into Superman comics at a time when Lois and Clark were married, seemingly permananetly, as were several other superheroes. So first off, there's familiarity in a tried and true classic pairing. But there's also the illusion of forward progress in storylines with marriage; the old "will they or won't they" plots that dominated comics for decades got discarded and the romantic elements of a comics plotting became radically different. Someone like me will consider that innately superior; I personally find a lot of the formulaic Silver Age Superman stories boring, and I tend to think the old romantic plots don't paint the superheroes in a good light (Date-rape kiss, etc.)
So, I was going to be against any attempt at applying old school comic romance tropes to Superman from the word go, because I thought they were antiquated and regressive.

I'm not a huge fan of Wonder Woman, but I know that quite a few fans of her are irritated by the idea of giving her a romance with another hero, regardless of the color of his cape. There's always the danger that either member of a pairing will be subsumed by the storytelling importance of the other, and as the high-profile superhero one of DC Comics, WW's fans are naturally wary of any romances like that. And as good as the rioting was for the characters, it probably irritated some of her fans that WW's second book wasn't a natural expansion of her properties but a book centered on a romantic relationship.

And of course, you had the nexus of all the anger at the New 52 coming at this relationship, with most people betting that there was no way it would last. Since one of the missions of the New 52 was to effectively suck the innovation and maturation out of every possible romantic relationship and make everyone "currently dating" instead of "taken," it would smell hypocritical if a new romance between Clark and Diana lasted long while Kate Kane can't get married or Aquaman and Mera suddenly have their marriage vows revoked. And since it was profiled heavily in Justice League and annuals and multiple books, it felt like a generic romance was being force fed to fans who may not care for generic romance in the first place. It seemed like a move made because it was easily marketable, nothing more, and that was the problem with a lot of the New 52 as a whole.

Again, that's just the reasons why some people would be immediately biased against the concept, not a comment on the execution.

 

[ChemTrailz420]

There's a scene in Mallrats where Brodie discusses how Lois couldn't have Superman's child because a half-Kryptonian would be too strong for a human uterus, and that Wonder Woman is the only person strong enough to carry his children. Ever since I saw that film I wanted to see what Wonder Woman and Superman would be like in a relationship. Turns out a lot less talking about uterus's than I imagined, and a lot more fighting Doomsday.

Anyway, I didn't mind it. Glad we've got Papa Supes and Lois now, but WW/SS was a fun ride while it lasted.

 

[MbJ]

I know it's against the general purpose of this thread, but if you'll permit me?

At least some of the displeasure expressed towards the Superman and Wonder Woman romance is probably generational and tied into the schisms between fans in each characters' fanbase, while another part is probably annoyance at what can be perceived as a naked publicity stunt.

A guy like me, born in 1990, got into Superman comics at a time when Lois and Clark were married, seemingly permananetly, as were several other superheroes. So first off, there's familiarity in a tried and true classic pairing. But there's also the illusion of forward progress in storylines with marriage; the old "will they or won't they" plots that dominated comics for decades got discarded and the romantic elements of a comics plotting became radically different. Someone like me will consider that innately superior; I personally find a lot of the formulaic Silver Age Superman stories boring, and I tend to think the old romantic plots don't paint the superheroes in a good light (Date-rape kiss, etc.)
So, I was going to be against any attempt at applying old school comic romance tropes to Superman from the word go, because I thought they were antiquated and regressive.

I'm not a huge fan of Wonder Woman, but I know that quite a few fans of her are irritated by the idea of giving her a romance with another hero, regardless of the color of his cape. There's always the danger that either member of a pairing will be subsumed by the storytelling importance of the other, and as the high-profile superhero one of DC Comics, WW's fans are naturally wary of any romances like that. And as good as the rioting was for the characters, it probably irritated some of her fans that WW's second book wasn't a natural expansion of her properties but a book centered on a romantic relationship.

And of course, you had the nexus of all the anger at the New 52 coming at this relationship, with most people betting that there was no way it would last. Since one of the missions of the New 52 was to effectively suck the innovation and maturation out of every possible romantic relationship and make everyone "currently dating" instead of "taken," it would smell hypocritical if a new romance between Clark and Diana lasted long while Kate Kane can't get married or Aquaman and Mera suddenly have their marriage vows revoked. And since it was profiled heavily in Justice League and annuals and multiple books, it felt like a generic romance was being force fed to fans who may not care for generic romance in the first place. It seemed like a move made because it was easily marketable, nothing more, and that was the problem with a lot of the New 52 as a whole.

Again, that's just the reasons why some people would be immediately biased against the concept, not a comment on the execution.

There's also a considerable portion of Wonder Woman's fanbase that disliked on principle because they didn't like the idea of her being seen as a love interest to someone from a different franchise. People get somewhat territorial about characters they like.

The reason I personally didn't like it was because it felt like a waste of time. There was no way they'd ever permanently break up Clark and Lois, so pretending Superman/Wonder Woman was the new power couple of the DCU was just a brief diversion. And sure enough, he's back with Lois now.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

I dug their relationship. The chemistry was well written, nice energy to it. I also imagined they had amazing sex. I did warm up having Superman/Lois back with Jon taking the mantle of Superboy very fast. I like the family dynamic. The 52 Superman was younger and mixing him with WW brought out a fun energy.

 

[Panthro]

I wonder if people would have been as upset if the new 52 had Superman date Black Canary or Hawkgirl...

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I wonder if people would have been as upset if the new 52 had Superman date Black Canary or Hawkgirl...

As someone who hated Superman/WW I may not have hated Superman/Black Canary as much.

 

[dru-zod2501]

As an avowed Lois hater, and someone who loves flipping the bird to so-called "destined" pairings, I loved SM/WW. It was refreshing and could've built something really special someday. This Rebirth doesn't do work for me at all yet.

 

[Panthro]

As an avowed Lois hater, and someone who loves flipping the bird to so-called "destined" pairings, I loved SM/WW. It was refreshing and could've built something really special someday. This Rebirth doesn't do work for me at all yet.

Not to derail the thread but any particular reason you hate Lois?

 

[dru-zod2501]

Not to derail the thread but any particular reason you hate Lois?

I've never been a fan of her particular "b*tch with attitude" persona that she's known for. Her signature style of brash abrasiveness and impudence is generally off-putting to me. There are plenty of examples of strong take-no-**** human females that don't come off as b*tches, but then they wouldn't be Lois Lane.

And you can PM me if you want, but I'm very curious why you think N52 Flash sucks? It's been one my favorite books so far.

we now return to the thread in progress...