So with Wonder Woman receiving such acclaim...

[Milk Tray Guy]

... the fandom is eagerly awaiting Marvels cinematic response - Captain Marvel. Interesting times.

Marvel continued forging ahead with the MCU as Nolan's TDK trilogy was coming to an end, and - deservedly - became the new kings of the superhero box office. When WB/DC decided to launch the DCEU they were having to play catch-up. However, one thing Marvel hadn't done was release a female-led movie (despite Black Widow featuring in five - I think - movies so far). WB/DC obviously saw that as an area where they could steal the lead (Gotham City Sirens and Batgirl in the works, rumours of Birds of Prey...) and - provided they did it right - actually for once be the yardstick that Marvel might be measured by.

Well it seems they did do it right, and my guess right now is that Marvel are feeling a little bit of pressure for Captain Marvel. I'd love to hear some of the discussions going on around their tables atm. Any thoughts/opinions?

 

[Silvermoth]

I thought that too at first but then I realised it was silly to compare the two and I should be happy that we're getting not one but two kick ass women.

And hopefully they're very different movies, ww is Greek mythology whereas cm is sci fi

 

[Dark Raven]

WB could make female heroes their speciality now and lead the way with WW, Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens, just like Marvel make the cinematic universe their niche. In this respect it could seem like Marvel are copying DC for once.

I think that's what WB/DC should concentrate on to distinguish themselves from the competition, and do it on their terms, instead of trying to catch up on the cinematic universe front. Of course, by all means, still have a cinematic universe, but don't feel the need to make everything connected.

I liked how WW was a standalone movie unfettered by any need to show its connections apart from a few nods.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

WB could make female heroes their speciality now and lead the way with WW, Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens, just like Marvel make the cinematic universe their niche. In this respect it could seem like Marvel are copying DC for once.

I think that's what WB/DC should concentrate on to distinguish themselves from the competition, and do it on their terms, instead of trying to catch up on the cinematic universe front. Of course, by all means, still have a cinematic universe, but don't feel the need to make everything connected.

That would be really interesting. I'd certainly pay to watch more female-led CBMs. Hell, I paid to see Elektra and Catwoman at the cinema way back! Unfortunately those were both so... bad. The market is clearly there though. Look at the Underworld and Resident Evil franchises - five or six movies apiece. And, of course The Hunger Games.

 

[Legendver2]

A Mera and Diana girls night out team up would be dreamy.

 

[smallville fan]

WB could make female heroes their speciality now and lead the way with WW, Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens, just like Marvel make the cinematic universe their niche. In this respect it could seem like Marvel are copying DC for once.

Would I like to see more Female-led CBMs? Sure!

But what worries me is that WB may shoot themselves in the foot and milk it in the wrong way such that other characters who do deserve a spot in the limelight as well miss their chance. Like I want to see things like Man of Steel 2, Green Lantern Corps, Nightwing etc still get more movies.

 

[Gavan]

The real Captain Marvel is with DC. Sucks that they capitulated and called him Shazam, which is the Wizard's name dammit.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Would I like to see more Female-led CBMs? Sure!

But what worries me is that WB may shoot themselves in the foot and milk it in the wrong way such that other characters who do deserve a spot in the limelight as well miss their chance. Like I want to see things like Man of Steel 2, Green Lantern Corps, Nightwing etc still get more movies.

Agreed, as much as I'm keen to see female-led CBMs I don't want other projects that I'm looking forward to 'shoved aside' for them (a second Supes solo and GLC are pretty high on my wish-list).

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

The real Captain Marvel is with DC. Sucks that they capitulated and called him Shazam, which is the Wizard's name dammit.

Weird thing is, I remember how we used to make fun of people who thought the title of the comic Shazam was the character's name - and now it ******* well is!

 

[Dark Raven]

The real Captain Marvel is with DC. Sucks that they capitulated and called him Shazam, which is the Wizard's name dammit.

They couldn't really move forward with that name. First off, the trademark had lapsed on the name as a comic ages ago. Second, Shazam is probably more known as a name associated with him than Captain Marvel. And third, with the popularity of Marvel, people would mistakenly credit DC's Captain Marvel to Marvel.

 

[Dark Raven]

If WW is so well received and Gal becomes a bigger star and the face of the DCEU, could she end up with higher billing in the cast than Henry Cavill and Amy Adams in a future JL movie?

After all, in Age of Ultron, Chris Evans was only billed 4th behind RDJ, Hemsworth and Ruffalo despite being the leader of the Avengers.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I could see her being billed higher than Amy Adams in the near future - she's in a pretty good bargaining position right now as the star of the DCEUs most acclaimed (by fans and critics) movie so far. Higher than Cavill? I guess that might depend to an extent on Superman's future in the DCEU including whether or not he actually gets further solos. Never higher than Affleck though!

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

After all, in Age of Ultron, Chris Evans was only billed 4th behind RDJ, Hemsworth and Ruffalo despite being the leader of the Avengers.

Also, I could never work out how come Evans took lower billing than Hemsworth. RDJ and even Ruffalo, fair enough. But Hemsworth?

 

[flickchick85]

Does this need to be its own thread? Someone make a case for it, because the way I see it, this has been discussed in the general discussion threads for WW AND Captain Marvel already...

 

[Capsfan]

Also, I could never work out how come Evans took lower billing than Hemsworth. RDJ and even Ruffalo, fair enough. But Hemsworth?

Evans and Hemsworth made a deal. Evans gets 2nd billing in the Avengers, while Hemsworth gets 4th. And vice versa in the Avengers 2.

 

[BatOnTheWing]

I believe that DC will move forward and make female-led movies their niche.
Or, at least, I feel that's what they should absolutely do.

A Gotham City Sirens film would be an absolute killer. That said, I don't want
them to force it; I want them to have an actual story to tell.

 

[brandeezy89]

I believe that DC will move forward and make female-led movies their niche.
Or, at least, I feel that's what they should absolutely do.

A Gotham City Sirens film would be an absolute killer. That said, I don't want
them to force it; I want them to have an actual story to tell.

GCS will probably be the highest grossing female CBM

 

[thorstone]

Captain Marvel... *sticks out tongue and makes wet farting sound

DC is going to own the market on women super hero films.

 

[Loki882]

I think that if anything, Marvel is perfectly happy with WW's success. Because it simply makes it all the easier to sell CM to the audience down the road.

What it does mean however, is that Marvel cannot simply rest on the laurel of just making a female-led CBM. They have to make sure that its a good one (which I fully expect that they'll do everything in their power to do anyway).

 

[Silvermoth]

A Mera and Diana girls night out team up would be dreamy.

Oh my gosh yes!

 

[NotNickFury]

I honestly see no pressure on Marvel Studios' part. At all. Even without Wonder Woman (and who knows when we'll ever see Sirens or Batgirl), the MCU itself is such a well-oiled machine that obviously they're going to take care with origin films like Captain Marvel and Black Panther.

I don't get why some are making this argument, to be honest. The DCEU has three critical failures and because Wonder Woman did critically well, the one film to do so, it having a female lead would create pressure for Marvel? The studio that has yet to have a film bomb or do poorly with audiences? Of course not. Wonder Woman or not, Carol Danvers' solo film is going to be important to Marvel Studios. Just because they've yet to put out a film with a solo female lead doesn't mean they'd feel any more pressured to do it or do it well when we know already that it'll be received and taken care of well regardless.

 

[Marvin]

^ The hulk actually bombed. But the struggles of phase one are a distant memory at this point.

I think dc has been doing right by their female audience. From tv to these films here. Between Harley, Wondy and Batgirl, the female audience should feel right there in the thick of things if not at the forefront themselves. Pretty cool

 

[NotNickFury]

Hulk did make its money back and then some, not to mention did get positive acclaim- two things I can't say for Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice, or Suicide Squad. Was Hulk certified fresh or seen as glowing as Iron Man? No, but still did well.

 

[Marvin]

Hulk did make its money back and then some, not to mention did get positive acclaim- two things I can't say for Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice, or Suicide Squad. Was Hulk certified fresh or seen as glowing as Iron Man? No, but still did well.

it made it's money back? How do u figure that?
using the same formula you are no doubt using for the dc films that is. Where they need to make something like 4x their production budget I assume.

And I didn't say anything about the critical scores for hulk. Though I find that an interesting tidbit.

 

[Micromind]

I think that if anything, Marvel is perfectly happy with WW's success. Because it simply makes it all the easier to sell CM to the audience down the road.

Yup.

What it does mean however, is that Marvel cannot simply rest on the laurel of just making a female-led CBM. They have to make sure that its a good one (which I fully expect that they'll do everything in their power to do anyway).

Agreed.