Some plot devices I'd like to see more of...

[Chris Wallace]

Well again not everyone has complete monsters in their rogues galleries. Though it did seem that William Stryker was somewhat less evil in the movies then the comics, but he was still very unlikable in the movies.

I liked Dr. Octopus being an anti villain in the movie, because he has gotten plenty of pet the dog moments since the 80s, ditto with Sandman who is often an Anti Villain in the comics, though the execution is a bit off in the movie with him. With Sadman the cocnept was sound, but the execution fell flat.

Joker in TDK was pretty damn close to being a complete monster though, he is not sympathetic at all. Also when Red Skull appears in the Cap movie, he will have to be completely evil. Bullseye had a personality close to his comic book counterpart, he seemed like a complete monster.

I'm more unhappy that both Doom and Lex were not Magnificent Bastards in the movies, they are epic schemers in the comics and in the movies they fall way short. Movie Doom is just some base, creepy smug snake and Lex was a cackling card carrying villain. We need more Magnificent Bastards in these movies.

But what major hero-or even a hero with enough clout to merit a movie-doesn't have at least one total monster in his rogues gallery?

 

[The Overlord]

But what major hero-or even a hero with enough clout to merit a movie-doesn't have at least one total monster in his rogues gallery?

Iron Man, I don't remember a complete monster in his rogues gallery.

 

[The Navigator]

World-threatening (or at least continent-threatening) crises. Also deathtraps, which seem to happen every other issue in comics but I can only recall seeing (a rather poor one) in Batman Forever.

Confidant, sexy, ass-kicking females, superhero or otherwise. Though I guess that's not a 'plot device.'

 

[The Navigator]

edit.

 

[3dman27]

Confidant, sexy, ass-kicking females, superhero or otherwise.

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[Heretic]

Iron Man, I don't remember a complete monster in his rogues gallery.

Isnt Fin Fang Foom like...actually a monster? Im not too up on his rogues though since his comic always bored me.

 

[The Overlord]

Isnt Fin Fang Foom like...actually a monster? Im not too up on his rogues though since his comic always bored me.

Not what I meant, a complete monster is a villain who is not sympathetic at all, not a literal monster.

 

[3dman27]

1. Ordinary crime. Committed by ordinary criminals. When you've got a hero like Spider-Man or Batman, does everything that he does have to be tied to some supervillain?

thats what you get in suuper-hero tv movies for the most part

 

[The Overlord]

Isnt Fin Fang Foom like...actually a monster? Im not too up on his rogues though since his comic always bored me.

Not what I meant, a complete monster is a villain who is not sympathetic at all, not a literal monster.

 

[JackBauer]

1. Ordinary crime. Committed by ordinary criminals. When you've got a hero like Spider-Man or Batman, does everything that he does have to be tied to some supervillain?

Agreed. And on the other end of the spectrum, I'd like to see casual supervillain crimefighting. As in, opening a Spidey movie with him fighting Rhino or Shocker and them not showing up again.

Just shows that supervillains and superpowered brawls happen more often than just what you see on screen.

 

[The Overlord]

Agreed. And on the other end of the spectrum, I'd like to see casual supervillain crimefighting. As in, opening a Spidey movie with him fighting Rhino or Shocker and them not showing up again.

Just shows that supervillains and superpowered brawls happen more often than just what you see on screen.

I don't think they want to waste special effects money on villains who have nothing to do with the main story.

Seriously putting Shocker and Rhino on screen for even 5 minutes will cost a lot of money, they arent going to spend that kind of money on scenes that have nothing to do to advance the main plot.

 

[JackBauer]

I don't think they want to waste special effects money on villains who have nothing to do with the main story.

Seriously putting Shocker and Rhino on screen for even 5 minutes will cost a lot of money, they arent going to spend that kind of money on scenes that have nothing to do to advance the main plot.

Oh, I definitely get that, and I know it's something we'll probably never see because of those reasons, but I still think it's a neat idea and a great way to open a movie.

 

[Heretic]

Not what I meant, a complete monster is a villain who is not sympathetic at all, not a literal monster.

Not to pressure you..

But do you feel sympathy or identify with Fin Fang Foom?

 

[The Overlord]

Not to pressure you..

But do you feel sympathy or identify with Fin Fang Foom?

No, but are you supposed hate FFF? What has he done that so detestable? You aren't getting the concept here. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompleteMonster

A complete monster is villain you dislike because their actions are so vile, like Purple man being a rapist or Red Skull being a Nazi war criminal, FFF doesn't fit that mold.

 

[Heretic]

Oh...so someone you really despise, gotcha...

Iron Man DOES have one evil, despicable, soul-less villian in his rogues gallery that you have completely overlooked...

[BLACKOUT]Jack Daniels[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Chris Wallace]

Iron Man, I don't remember a complete monster in his rogues gallery.

Then what do you call Hammer & Stane?

 

[The Overlord]

Then what do you call Hammer & Stane?

They are corrupt corporate executives fit in either the Smug Snake, chess master or Magnificent Bastard tropes depending on who you ask of course.

You are not getting the whole complete monster trope, you have to be really nasty to be a complete monster, not likable to any degree, with truly monstrous deeds that are designed to make the audience hate this character. You have to be really really evil to be a complete monster.

Also the Fantastic Four don't have any complete monster villains.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompleteMonster

 

[kedrell]

As for Iron Man, I'd say the Mandarin is border-line magificent bastard/complete monster. I'd also say the same thing for the Leader in the Hulk comics.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Agreed. And on the other end of the spectrum, I'd like to see casual supervillain crimefighting. As in, opening a Spidey movie with him fighting Rhino or Shocker and them not showing up again.

Just shows that supervillains and superpowered brawls happen more often than just what you see on screen.

I wouldn't mind that myself. That way, they don't have to justify him or anything. He's in and out.

 

[The Overlord]

I wouldn't mind that myself. That way, they don't have to justify him or anything. He's in and out.

Again, not going to happen it would take a lot of special effects money for Rhino to appear on screen and they aren't going to waste a ton of money on a throw away sceen.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I don't know if I agree.

 

[The Navigator]

They had a throwaway action scene ar the beginning of TDK w/Batman, Scarecrow (who didn't appear for the rest of the movie), and the mobsters.

 

[Nightmare689]

They had a throwaway action scene ar the beginning of TDK w/Batman, Scarecrow (who didn't appear for the rest of the movie), and the mobsters.

i'm not gonna lie...that was lame. It seemed like the script was finished, then someone was like, "what about scarecrow?" so they just threw him in that scene, as oppose to regular criminals(which they made him seem to be.)

an idea could even be though to have a small time villian appear in a more regular fashion, in a movies openin, then even return later on in a more suped-up version/costume, like to aid the main villian or something

 

[Chris Wallace]

True, Scarecrow was even less Scarecrow-like than in Begins. And what the hell happened to his voice muffler?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I wanna see more homages to comics, and more team-ups and partners (Robin, Black Cat) in films. Before I die I wanna see either Batman and Superman in the same film, or X-men and Spiderman in the same the film. I'm only 19 and I don't see that happening.