Sony misleads on Motorstorm resolution and Ps3 sales.

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http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/1/11/6584/p1


Sony misleads multiple times on MotorStorm resolution, revises PS3 sales goals to allow for success


It's starting to get frustrating to cover Sony. From being misleading in their Emmy press-releases and then pulling the evidence, to switching their stated manufacturing goals, I just can't keep the stories straight. The Emmy thing was okay—we all make mistakes, and perhaps Sony just jumped to a few conclusions. But the issue of Motorstorm's resolution is much thicker and smacks of negligence.

It's not like the gaming press made up the 1080p, 60fps Motorstorm story by ourselves. Sony employees were telling the press that would be the resolution and the framerate. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt, and say the people running the televisions at trade shows may get their facts wrong. Of course, the Senior Vice-President of Marketing for your company should know better.

In the CES keynote, which you can watch here, Peter Dille states that we'll see Motorstorm at 1080p running at 60fps. He makes this point strongly, in an attempt to prove the power of the PS3, before telling us it's the only "true" high definition system on the market. I would say that point is arguable at best, but there is no doubt he was selling Motorstorm as an example of their 1080p content.

After all that buzz, they're now saying Motorstorm will be at 720p and run at 30fps. At least according to SCEA. Then again, at this stage who do you believe? I don't even think Sony knows anymore.

Mr. Dille also says they hit their goal of shipping 1 million systems in that speech. Since when was that their goal? We reported on what their actual goal was: they wanted 4 million by the end of the year, and 2 million at launch. That was then brought down to 2 million shipped when they talked to the press. When was it ever 1 million? Engadget has an even more damning interview with Peter Dille. Let me repeat that he is the Senior Vice-President of Marketing. He should know better than to give a keynote that directly contradicts his own interviews:
Engadget: So, you think you're still on track for 2 million units in 2006?

Peter Dille: Yeah.

Engadget: I'm gonna hold you to that.

Peter Dille: Okay, you can hold us all to it!​
How can we, when you say now that your goal has been only a million units? Well, I'm holding you to it. You missed your goal. I'm sorry. Why can't you admit it publicly instead of changing the numbers and hoping no one notices?

Sony, you need to rein in your public relations staff and start telling us the truth. You need to either make sure you know you can hit the goals that you announce, or be willing to admit that you missed them when you fall short. Revising the number after the fact is not good enough. The more these things happen the less credibility you have, and the less credibility you have the harder it is for us who're reporting your claims to take them seriously. I'd like to think I can trust you, but after this past week I feel like anything your representatives say is going to be suspect at best, and at worst an outright lie.
 
I mentioned the Motorstorm resolution/fps issue in another thread, but the PS3 sales info is interesting.

I hope Dille looks like an ass now. 2 million units he wanted at launch, and reportedly only 200,000 here on November 17 :huh: that's pretty stupid.
 
ughh why must sony do this to me!

i wanted to see there so called "true hd" in motorstorm, but nope yet another let down.
 
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070111/video_game_sales.html?.v=2

AP
Report: Sony Sold 490,700 PS3s in U.S.
Thursday January 11, 10:09 pm ET
By Andrew Simons, Dow Jones Newswires
Report: Sony Sold 490,700 PlayStation 3s in U.S. in December, Compared to 1.1 Xbox 360s


LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Sony Corp., beset by supply issues, sold 490,700 PlayStation 3 game consoles in the United States in December, according to figures research firm NPD Group released Thursday.
Combined with NPD's earlier estimate of PS3 sales in November, that indicates Sony sold 687,700 PS3s from the Nov. 17 U.S. launch to the end of the year.

Sony has said it shipped 1 million PS3s to North America in 2006, but that figure includes Mexico and Canada, and some of the units may not have reached stores in time to be sold.
NPD said Microsoft Corp. sold 1.1 million of its competing Xbox 360 console in December, while Nintendo Co. sold 604,200 units of its new console, the Wii. Like Sony, Nintendo contended with supply shortages.

Analysts are closely watching sales of the new generation of consoles because they could indicate which platform becomes the dominant one. The Xbox 360, which came out last year, has had a head start.

"There was clearly a huge dearth of inventory of PS3s," said Anita Frazier, an analyst with NPD Group, who added that Sony "could have sold multiples of that figure if they could have provided supply to retail."

"This was the biggest month yet for Xbox 360 hardware sales, but is pretty in line with what an established system can do during the holidays," Frazier said.

"Xbox 360 is now poised to really take advantage of its lead in this generation's race, provided they (and third-party supporters) keep bringing the games to market that keep consumers wanting to play on that system," Frazier said.

December sales of the Xbox 360 were beat by the 1.4 million units Sony sold of its older and cheaper PlayStation 2.

In all, consumers spent $3.7 billion on video game software and hardware during the month, up 28 percent.

The top game sold was the Xbox title "Gears of War," by Microsoft.

"They had a hot title in 'Gears of War' and highly sought after titles always drive hardware acquisition as well," Frazier said.

Representatives of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo weren't immediately available for comment.

Hahaha.. :p

All I have to say is wow. When will people ever learn?
 
How many PS2's sold? And I dont know how this is unexpected, of course they sold more in December, PS3's weren't readily available till January
 
How many PS2's sold? And I dont know how this is unexpected, of course they sold more in December, PS3's weren't readily available till January

The Xbox 360 wasn't readily available until March.

What's your point? :huh:

[I'm comparing Xbox 360's sales numbers in NA during their launch year [900k] to PS3's [500+k]
 
I wasn't comparing launch numbers, just stating it should be obvious that in December 06 Xbox360 would have more sales than PS3 because it was much more available. The January 07 numbers for the two systems may be better for comparison
 
Um that 2 million figure was worldwide.

And Motorstorm was ALWAYS previously said to be 720P, more then likely Peter made a mistake or was ill informed. It's ALWAYS been 720P, there was no grand deception that was revealed at the last minute.
 
Well, at least half of the thread title is right. Using the information I got from the released NPD numbers, they still lied about their sales numbers in NA. :D
 
You'd like to think so. Except they never said they sold 1 million little guy.
 
Yeeeaaaah.....

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They said shipped, and that number includes Canada and Mexico. Canada and Mexico aren't in the NPD report we get, it's seperate. This isn't hard people.
 
sighs i can't seem to go to one single thread without sales number bickering, and which company is being stupid.
 
The title of this thread should have been ample warning. :p
 
Some people are just ignorant, Zenien.
 
They said shipped, and that number includes Canada and Mexico. Canada and Mexico aren't in the NPD report we get, it's seperate. This isn't hard people.

And somehow I doubt the console has gone that fast in Mexico. :huh:

Considering it is nearing $1000 USD there. Unlike the US, there aren't many people with pockets lined with gold living there.

600k in the US since launch is underwhelming, considering we get the majority of the consoles.
 
I'd have to agree with DL on that one... but now I'm seeing them everywhere. Best Buy had around 50 of them piled out on the floor today.
 
I was at Best Buy the other day, they had none. I've used this comparison and I'll use it again. TV's are expensive, the PS3 is expensive, so both sit on store shelves awhile. All in good time they're sold though. I'd look for big PS3 sales in March with the release of many solid titles
 
I hope Sony like drops the price by 100 dollars..... :o

And somehow I doubt the console has gone that fast in Mexico. :huh:

Considering it is nearing $1000 USD there. Unlike the US, there aren't many people with pockets lined with gold living there.

600k in the US since launch is underwhelming, considering we get the majority of the consoles.

The amount sold doesn't mean they haven't shipped 1 million. Canada is probably 100k+ by itself (sold). If PS3s are really sitting around (a lot of stores apparently hae a backstock and they just bring out another one from the back when one sells on display) then wouldn't that lend credibility to the 1 million NA number.

It would.
 

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