Space travel, and the possibilities of interstellar migration

Egyptian Aisha Mustafa, 19, has dazzled the physics world with a new invention that could launch spacecraft off the Earth’s surface and soaring through space without any fuel.

Space is filled with a billowing sea of quantum particles that jump in and out of existence, and Aisha Mustafa proposes using thin silicon panels, spaced closely together, to trap these particles and then move against them, creating a propelling force.

This innovation would make space exploration lighter, safer and cheaper than the traditional “blast off” method. Mustafa still has some design work to do, but unfortunately her research is currently limited by lack of state funding for space science departments at the university level, though her school’s science club did help fund her application for a patent.

The invention 'leapfrogs' Nasa research, and uses a hi-tech quantum effect to drive satellites through space, rather than ordinary rocket engines.

Mustafa's invention generates energy using the Casimir-Polder force, an obscure quantum effect using two surfaces and objects in a vaccum.

Mustafa's drive isn't exactly Warp Factor Ten material, but it provides enough energy for satellites to maneouvre gracefully through space.

 
I definitely care. I still think the West will pull together and colonise the planets.
 
NASAs new space suits have been revealed! I quite like them:


 
See, humans are starting to have a pretty complete knowledge over the invisible universe, IE atoms and the particles they interact with. By this, we know that any conventional travel in space is really unfeasible. If accelerated to near light speed, nuclear forces would start having troubles matter together, to put it simply, and huge amounts of high energy radiation would be released. This is how we see black holes; the matter being dragged towards the event horizon is accelerated to the speed of light, and then gives of gamma radiation. Not to mention that it would take the mass-energy of the entire spaceship to accelerate it to light speed. To put that into perspective, when a fission bomb detonates, less than 0,5 % of the mass is converted to energy, and the core releasing the energy just weighs a few kilos.

What we don't, however, have very good knowledge over, is space/time and the non-visible components of the universe, IE dark matter and dark energy. Better understanding of these could help us come up with theoretical means to travel in space, but I still don't see any of it being engineered to practical use in any near future. I could, for example, see "worm holes" or quantum physical phenomenons being used to send information FTL in the future, but sending whole objects, like a ship, seems purely science fiction by any means today. Perhaps in the far future, if we evolve technologically beyond what we can imagine today.
 
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Warp Drive Closer to Reality

The idea of the warp drive has been confined to science fiction since the notion was first widely introduced in the original “Star Trek” TV series. But this faster than light (FTL) method of zipping through space has always been considered a practical impossibility.
Back in 1994, a physicist named Miguel Alcubierre came up with a model for a workable warp drive, but it would have required “prohibitive amounts of energy.” Now, some NASA scientists are saying that a new design could bring the idea closer to reality.
On Sept. 14, 2012 during the 100 Year Starship Symposium, Harold White of NASA’s Johnson Space Center suggested that adjustments could be made to Alcubierre’s model that would reduce the amount of energy required. The original model, which involved a football-shaped vehicle with a large ring of “exotic matter” encircling, would have required energy equal to the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter. But White has calculated that, by changing the shape of the ring around the spacecraft from a flat ring to a “rounded donut,” the drive could be powered by a mass around the size of the original Voyager 1 probe.
“The findings I presented today change it from impractical to plausible and worth further investigation,” White told SPACE.com. “The additional energy reduction realized by oscillating the bubble intensity is an interesting conjecture that we will enjoy looking at in the lab.”

You can download a copy of White’s research here.
http://plus.url.google.com/url?sa=z...11016932.pdf&usg=3XBAfYqczrBQtg-TlUkAkGEjUec.

www.engineeringontheedge.com/2012/09/warp-drive-closer-to-reality/

Warping space-time

An Alcubierre warp drive would involve a football-shape spacecraft attached to a large ring encircling it. This ring, potentially made of exotic matter, would cause space-time to warp around the starship, creating a region of contracted space in front of it and expanded space behind.

Meanwhile, the starship itself would stay inside a bubble of flat space-time that wasn't being warped at all.

"Everything within space is restricted by the speed of light," explained Richard Obousy, president of Icarus Interstellar, a non-profit group of scientists and engineers devoted to pursuing interstellar spaceflight. "But the really cool thing is space-time, the fabric of space, is not limited by the speed of light."

With this concept, the spacecraft would be able to achieve an effective speed of about 10 times the speed of light, all without breaking the cosmic speed limit.

The only problem is, previous studies estimated the warp drive would require a minimum amount of energy about equal to the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.

But recently White calculated what would happen if the shape of the ring encircling the spacecraft was adjusted into more of a rounded donut, as opposed to a flat ring. He found in that case, the warp drive could be powered by a mass about the size of a spacecraft like the Voyager 1 probe NASA launched in 1977.

Furthermore, if the intensity of the space warps can be oscillated over time, the energy required is reduced even more, White found.

"The findings I presented today change it from impractical to plausible and worth further investigation," White told SPACE.com. "The additional energy reduction realized by oscillating the bubble intensity is an interesting conjecture that we will enjoy looking at in the lab."

Where should the first permanent space colony be built?

Laboratory tests

White and his colleagues have begun experimenting with a mini version of the warp drive in their laboratory.

They set up what they call the White-Juday Warp Field Interferometer at the Johnson Space Center, essentially creating a laser interferometer that instigates micro versions of space-time warps.

"We're trying to see if we can generate a very tiny instance of this in a tabletop experiment, to try to perturb space-time by one part in 10 million," White said.

He called the project a "humble experiment" compared to what would be needed for a real warp drive, but said it represents a promising first step.

And other scientists stressed that even outlandish-sounding ideas, such as the warp drive, need to be considered if humanity is serious about traveling to other stars.

"If we're ever going to become a true spacefaring civilization, we're going to have to think outside the box a little bit, we're going to have to be a little bit audacious," Obousy said.

www.space.com/17628-warp-drive-possible-interstellar-spaceflight.html
 
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That's all well and good. But what's impossible to you, must have seemed as impossible to someone imagining the sound barrier being broken in the Middle Ages... if they knew what it was. Wasn't meant to be a scientific analogy. I don't have a PhD in physics.

Breaking the universe though... that's interesting.

Still, you'd have a better chance of hitchhiking with some aliens than on one of these STL starships that takes an eon just to get to a planet.
Most of what we've invented, including breaking the sound barrier, is observable in nature (lightning, for example).
 
We already have all this, it started in the 70's. Have you all not seen the film documentary star wars? plus we have a special forces group called "jedi's".. Geeze,,I thought everybody was up to date.

All joking aside, I dont see how space travel would work until we can bend space/time,, even then i will be afraid to come out the other side with my head stuck in my as* or something.
 
It seems to me that humans have some sort of technological limit, and unfortunately I think it stops short of a lot of this.
 
It seems to me that humans have some sort of technological limit, and unfortunately I think it stops short of a lot of this.

I don't think so. At least not a limit we will reach any time soon. But humans do have real priority issues.

We should have colonies on Mars, but people would rather squabble over imaginary things like religion, money, race, and nationality. We spend most of our resources on trivial things.

This species' future, at least one that doesn't involve endless petty wars, is reliant on a very small number.

We should be very thankful that the aliens are content with observing us.
 
I don't think humans have a technological limit. Obviously there are things that are impossible but it would be foolish to think mankind is anywhere near its technical limit right not.
 
The question isn't whether we've reached our technological limit, but rather will we live long enough as a species in order to see our limit.
 
I'm going to be disappointed if we ever run into other intelligent life & they're not already in a galactic community like in Mass Effect. No joke, that's my ideal vision for the future....just minus the whole ancient giant robots coming back & killing trillions part.
 
We have no limit, other than the laws of nature, and our collective will to fund research and development of new technology and engineering techniques.
 
I'm going to be disappointed if we ever run into other intelligent life & they're not already in a galactic community like in Mass Effect. No joke, that's my ideal vision for the future....just minus the whole ancient giant robots coming back & killing trillions part.

Well, some would say they're already here (UFO's), watching us. And really, it makes sense. Any sufficiently advanced alien civilization should be able to find us easily. We're the loudest planet in the neighborhood, and the only one with neon lights. I don't think Mass Effect ever touched on that. Star Trek did.
 
Well, some would say they're already here (UFO's), watching us. And really, it makes sense. Any sufficiently advanced alien civilization should be able to find us easily. We're the loudest planet in the neighborhood, and the only one with neon lights. I don't think Mass Effect ever touched on that. Star Trek did.

There's less than a century since we started sending radio broadcasts. That means our visible radius is less than a hundred light years. Our galaxy alone is around a hundred thousand light years across. If we think of it as a flat plane, our visible area then covers less than 1/250 000 of the galaxy. And even if some aliens happen to stop within, or live within, that area, there's no guaranty they'll pick up any of our broadcasts. In fact, our broadcasts are pretty much impossible to spot, behind all the various EM radiation in space, if you're not specifically looking for them. Space is bigger than you might imagine.
 
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Considering we're finding "potentially" habitable planets right now, and we have yet to go to Mars (in person, anyway), I would image that an alien species that has mastered interstellar travel would map out most habitable planets in their stellar neighborhood in a fairly short period of time. If they've been around for thousands of years (and why not), they could have mapped a good chunk of the galaxy.

Earth has had complex life on it for a very long time. So, for all we know, civilizations could have been observing Earth for hundreds, thousands, or even millions of years.

If you have a catalogue of habitable planets, you'd probably notice quickly if one of them started broadcasting.

Assuming the aliens don't live around say Tau Ceti, in which case, they'd be hearing about Y2K right now.
 

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