SPECULATION: POV of Smallville, 5-10 years after its end

[Prison Mike]

Realistically, it will probably be remembered as much as "Lois and Clark" is now to the General Public, which is not at all... but still remembered by the hardcore fans.

Lois and Clark may have only ran four seasons, but it was on ABC; a central network. SV will run 10 seasons, but it has pretty much been in the undercurrent of the mainstream/general public; save for the first season... it has more or less gone unnoticed.

yeah I agree with this.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

as do I

it will have it's cult following like every Superman show does, but it will fade completely from the general public, if it hasn't already.

 

[CLARKY]

Superman doesn't have a future on television. The best way to do the property in live action is the films; that seems to be the direction they're going in now.

Wow, how I completely disagree with that. A lot of people enjoy the show, a lot of people enjoy it for what it is I mean, not looking for a "almost-perfect" version of the character as "Dork Knight" seems to be. "It does not have a future", this is what people were saying in season one. Now it is season 10 (almost) and it is still the same argument it seems. And IMO, I think it is better in television, it allowed to develop Clark personality(ies) for real, instead of having everything in one movie. I may like the new movie, I do not know, but I think you reduce the importance of Smallville on the Superman mythos.

As for my opinion about the topic, Nolan or not, for me, Smallville will not "fade" at all. I do not need a new toy every once in a while, so Smallville has been a great great serie, and I will always like it, Nolan or not. It established the character, especially for me who watched the serie since day one. The best thing about it, is that it allow (at least me) to enjoy different versions, because Smallville has been a great pot full of good ideas like Superman tas, or Lois and Clark or Superman the movie, or Returns.
And I disagre about the fact that it will be remembered as "Lois and Clark", or maybe for those who watched the serie only when they begin putting Ollie, or Aquaman, or Lois in the show. For me Smallville is more about the farm, the young years, the (sometimes boring) 5 years of "I love Lana". Not only the metropolis years.

This serie is really great, and ten years of building the mythos, it is huge, no way I'm going to forget it. I love the show, I will still like it in 5 or 10 or 45 years. I do not need a "ultimate" version of the character, especially since I'm not fan of Batman vision of batman, in comparison.
I loved Superman Returns, I loved Smallville, both in different ways.

 

[Last Son]

Word Clarky, Also I am really happy it hasn't had the "impact" on culture that Buffy and Dawson's had, Your right those have been parodied and shown in a satirical light, which in some cases simply speaks to the low quaility of those shows.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Wow, how I completely disagree with that. A lot of people enjoy the show, a lot of people enjoy it for what it is I mean, not looking for a "almost-perfect" version of the character as "Dork Knight" seems to be. "It does not have a future", this is what people were saying in season one. Now it is season 10 (almost) and it is still the same argument it seems. And IMO, I think it is better in television, it allowed to develop Clark personality(ies) for real, instead of having everything in one movie. I may like the new movie, I do not know, but I think you reduce the importance of Smallville on the Superman mythos.

As for my opinion about the topic, Nolan or not, for me, Smallville will not "fade" at all. I do not need a new toy every once in a while, so Smallville has been a great great serie, and I will always like it, Nolan or not. It established the character, especially for me who watched the serie since day one. The best thing about it, is that it allow (at least me) to enjoy different versions, because Smallville has been a great pot full of good ideas like Superman tas, or Lois and Clark or Superman the movie, or Returns.
And I disagre about the fact that it will be remembered as "Lois and Clark", or maybe for those who watched the serie only when they begin putting Ollie, or Aquaman, or Lois in the show. For me Smallville is more about the farm, the young years, the (sometimes boring) 5 years of "I love Lana". Not only the metropolis years.

This serie is really great, and ten years of building the mythos, it is huge, no way I'm going to forget it. I love the show, I will still like it in 5 or 10 or 45 years. I do not need a "ultimate" version of the character, especially since I'm not fan of Batman vision of batman, in comparison.
I loved Superman Returns, I loved Smallville, both in different ways.

You're just proving my point.

Yours is the perspective of a major SV fan who chooses to remember it and inflate it's importance.

It will be quite forgettable to the general public. It barely resonates with the general public currently, it basically only has it's core 2 million fanbase.

I'm sure many would be surprised to hear it's still on the air, assuming it's remembered at all.

Even right now, shows like Gossip Girl (on the same network) seem to be making a much bigger general media impact.

 

[Kal]

I'm considered a loyal fan of the show , watched it since the pilot and frankly I will never forget Smallville. It's been a great 10 years! Will no doubt get the full series box set and cherish it forever.

But here in Australia it's basically non existent like SR filming in Sydney, if I mention it people look at me funny and say "Is it still on! Haven't watched it in ages!"

Only recently I met a friend at uni that had the same enthusiasm as me to stay up to date with Smallville (Aus aired up to season 7), she was a true fan like me. Maybe more and that's rare these days. But the point I'm trying to say is that the general public do not know that the series scored a 10th and final season. They are oblivious to the fact that it's even ending at all!

Smallville is already forgotten in Australia, if you want to see the future come down under and see how rare it is to find someone who know's when season 10 is airing. It's "almost" embarrassing to speak up about smallville.. Now it's just a select few like me.

2001-2004 is when Smallville was popular and keep in mind that here in Aus thats only saying season 1-2...

 

[Kal]

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[Webhead2006]

well it should be interesting to see how the show is viewed by fans/general audiences once the show is over.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Personally for me, as a fan who will remember the show, Smallville will be a 5/10.

Seasons 2, 3, 5, and 9 were overall pretty good and I'm assuming Season 10 will be as well.

Those seasons had more good episodes than bad.


Seasons 1, 4, 6, 7, and 8 however were bad, some really bad. Individually, there were more bad episodes in those seasons than good. Season 8 had the most potential to be good, but everything after "Legion" was pretty much fail. "Toxic" and "Abyss" were weak too.

 

[SpideyVille]

Yeah I was watching some of my favorite episodes from seasons 3-7 and was surprised to see how much it really feels like a different show now. I think this has o do mostly with Al/Miles leaving and the current producers making Clark Supermanly in his character this as season. But even aside from that, the show felt kind of weak in some of the better episodes in terms of acting and camera work/special effects. I remember loving Vengeance when I first saw it, but now I'm like "wow, this is cheesy." With that said though, I believe that season 10 will be something great and will end the series leaving the viewer to remember it as a great series as a whole.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea for me its hard to judge some seasons. cause for me even with bad things of past seasons there was always some good things going on that i enjoyed alot. So i will probably be a fan of the show for many more yrs just like i am still a fan of other long over shows like lois and clark, xfiles, sliders and others.

 

[SrsBsns]

It's funny to see how many people didn't like season 8. Shocking, IMO, actually. I've always thought season 8 was arguably one of the best seasons SV has ever had. Season 8 always felt like a Smallville reboot of sorts because of how different everything became; mainly Clark becoming much more proactive as a hero.

 

[SpideyVille]

I think that was sort of the problem with season 8. It started off really good, but then midway through, first with the Lana arc (which sort of made Clark do a complete 180 during that arc), and then with the disappointing ending of the Doomsday arc (no epic showdown), it left more of a bad taste in most people's mouth. But the show has changed significantly, starting with season 8, and even though season 9 sorted followed the same trend by starting off great and then rocking up and down in the second half, the finale delivered so much more that it has people hyped as opposed to disappointed.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Season 8 isn't the monstrosity people are making it out to be. It was still an overall pretty decent season with a couple of bad episodes and a weak finale. That's it, the entire first half of it was freaking solid, even with one of the Lana episodes at the end you still had the introduction to Toyman and battle damaged Lex (although played by a stand-in).

and I love Laura as Supergirl in Season 7, that's still a hands down enjoyable season in my opinion. Sure some people may not have agreed with Kara flying before Clark or the Veritas retcon, but the flying thing didn't bother me and I thoroughly enjoyed Veritas and thought it was something they should have thought up from the start. The only problem with that being, if you watch earlier seasons, there's clearly no V on any of the windows in the Luthor mansion. Just a minor flaw in an otherwise damn good story arc. Do I need to even mention the episode "Descent"? Bad-freaking-ass episode right there

(I will give the nay-sayers "Gumby Pete Ross" though as that was pretty stupid) but I still enjoyed the episode and the One Republic songs that were included in it.

Season 6? Man, season 6 was a GREAT season minus the Lex/Lana crap. Ignore that and you have a SOLID season, point blank. Green Arrow, the Zoners, Titan, Bizzaro, Martian Manhunters first appearance, Linda Carter's guest spot, the episode "Justice" which is still to this day my favorite episode in the series. Who also remembers Lex's strut down the hall of 33.1 at the end of "Hydro" with AFI "Lay Me To Sleep" playing in the background

^I worship that 15 second scene

 

[Johnny]

As I friend of mine said to me - "For me Season 8 was the best, and I like Season 9 more." I completely agree that S8 felt like a reboot, Clark became his own man, stopped relying on Chloe for every single obstacle, stopped moping how much his love life sucked and stopped cursing Jor-El for whatever bad happened to him. He became as you said proactive, started helping people on a more worldwide basis and started learning from the mistakes he made rather than dwelling on what could've been different had he made another choice. For me that kind of character development was the tip of the iceberg. I wanted to see Clark become that kind of person since the beginning. So to say that S8 sucked because of a few bad episodes or a disappointing battle, is plain ridiculous. Season 8 rocked.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

It really depends on how low your standards are as far as the show goes.

But personally for Season 8, I understand why it has such a bad rep (as does Season 6), it did have more bad episodes that good.

Good episodes:

Odyssey
Plastique
Instinct
Committed
Prey
Identity
Bloodline
Bride
Legion


Meh and Bad episodes:

Toxic
Abyss
Bulletproof (thanks to the lame Lana/Tess B story)
Power
Requiem
Infamous (bad time travel writing, cheesy acting, Tori Spelling..)
Turbulence
Eternal
Stiletto
Beast
Injustice
Doomsday

Hex is a tossup. If you like cheesy campy comedy filler, then you'll like it. It was also too Chloe-focused for my taste. I loathed most of it.


Season 8 left a bad taste mainly because the mistakes they made that year were very obvious. Super-Lana was an epic fail. Bloomesday and the Chloe storyline that dominated the second half of the season ruined the season. The Jimmy Olsen fakeout was an insult of anyone with intelligence.

The Doomsday arc was disappointing. Nothing but empty build-up with no payoff.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Season 6?

The main reason why Season 6 gets a lot of hate is they pretty much wrote Clark like a ***** for the season.

It got progressively worse by 7.

The Lana stuff really did drag S6 down tenfold.

 

[SpideyVille]

Ah yes, before the Blur, or even the Red-Blue Blur, I remember the days when Clark's nickname around here was the BDA, the Big Dumb Alien

 

[Johnny]

Man of Tomorrow, I never had nor have low expectations for Smallville. Ever. And as I pointed out, to me S8 wasn't a fail at all. Noone can possibly convince me that Doomsday was a worse finale than Arctic or Tempest. The no big fight and Jimmy/Henry stuff although bad, was not that huge of a problem for me. We knew that DC always barked in their ears about how Jimmy wasn't supposed to be Clark's age and I knew that sooner or later they would do something to "correct" that. And everyone forgets the good stuff they did with D-day's character, and only remembers the fails. Talked about it before, don't plan to do it again. The super-Lana plot was the only thing about this season that I found truly distasteful. Every season has its flows, S8 was no different. But to me overall was the start of the new and right direction of Smallville. It damn sure deserved the praise it got, but not all of the bashing. But people will always remember the bad stuff over the good anyway.

 

[Webhead2006]

well for me with season 8 i enjoyed a majority of it from episodes 1-12, and bits of the lana arc. But with the whole super lana, and what went down with doomsday the end wasnt that great. But compared to this past season it was pretty consistant througout which was great. So here's hoping that is how season ten will be for me too.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Man of Tomorrow, I never had nor have low expectations for Smallville. Ever. And as I pointed out, to me S8 wasn't a fail at all. Noone can possibly convince me that Doomsday was a worse finale than Arctic or Tempest. The no big fight and Jimmy/Henry stuff although bad, was not that huge of a problem for me. We knew that DC always barked in their ears about how Jimmy wasn't supposed to be Clark's age and I knew that sooner or later they would do something to "correct" that. And everyone forgets the good stuff they did with D-day's character, and only remembers the fails.

All they did with Bloomesday was set him up as a cliche Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde type and then turned him into Chloe's biotch in the second half.

It was a pretty sad decline. Good setup, poor followup and then weak payoff. It was all pointless.

And aside from the Jimmy stuff, and the Failsday stuff, what else was there in the "Doomsday" finale? Oliver and the JLers turning on Clark? The standard cliched Lois/Tess catfight?

"Arctic" was bad no doubt; an extremely weak final episode for Rosenbaum.. but "Doomsday" was just insulting.

 

[Johnny]

A cliche Jekyl/Hyde or not, Doomsday actually was personified in Smallville. In the show they did in one season what the comics couldn't do in 20 years. I'd always prefer the sv version over the one-dimensional character from the comic. Although they eventually turned him into that character in the show, too.

 

[Dizagaox]

I think Seasons 8, 9 and 10 will be syndicated to death, especially if Nolan's film does well.

And WB could very easily produce a special recap episode of S1 to S7, and then lump it in a box set with Seasons 8, 9 and 10, and it will sell.

 

[Dizagaox]

You guys know that Season 8 is the show's best selling season on DVD, right? And in some markets, Season 9 has been its best rated season on TV. It gets 16M viewers on the Warner Channel in Latin America.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

A cliche Jekyl/Hyde or not, Doomsday actually was personified in Smallville. In the show they did in one season what the comics couldn't do in 20 years. I'd always prefer the sv version over the one-dimensional character from the comic. Although they eventually turned him into that character in the show, too.

Because there was no need to turn Doomsday into a 'character' in the comics.. it wasn't the purpose of Doomsday.

Doomsday had to be personified in Smallville as Bloomesday. There was no other option. They couldn't have him running around in that rubber monster suit all season.

There was really no need for SV's Davis Bloome too, considering he got separated from Doomsday. What was the point of him then? We ended up with the killing machine but all his development was pointless given Bloome ended up being a different character than the actual Doomsday.

So really, it wasn't Doomsday they gave characterization to, they just added the wimpy Davis Bloome character that ultimiately is a seperate entity than the actual Doomsday. The entire Davis Bloome character was all an empty tease.


And not that Doomsday even needs charactization, but JLU's "Doomsday Sanction" seemed to characterize the monster to a certain degree.