Spider-Man (2002) or Captain America: Civil War (2016) ?

[fan4stic]

Spider Man 2 is massively overrated and poorly paced - Civil War is an amazing juggling act that combines so many great features including the best RDJ performance as Iron Man ( since his first film) with the introduction of Spider Man and Black Panther, an understated but effective villain, and one of the best action sequences in the MCU.

Civil War is a whole other class to Spider Man 2

I don't see it as poorly paced, and while I wouldn't dismiss the construction of the Civil War, this doesn't mean I think it's necessarily better as a movie as a whole. I think it's the messier Cap movie. I find Zemo compelling as a villain but it doesn't mean I think he's as emotionally compelling as Otto. I regard the movie as having fixed Tony Stark after I think the character was messed up by Whedon and in what I think is Shane Black and then Whedon trying to salvage what they had left, with Whedon to me messing it up in the process as well more than Black. I prefer Spider-Man in this over a solid chunk of his MCU structures. I dig te conflict and such. But this doesn't mean I think it's better constructed movie or necessarily better paced than SM2. I think it's a stronger part of the MCU.

 

[Batmannerism]

I don't see it as poorly paced, and while I wouldn't dismiss the construction of the Civil War, this doesn't mean I think it's necessarily better as a movie as a whole. I think it's the messier Cap movie. I find Zemo compelling as a villain but it doesn't mean I think he's as emotionally compelling as Otto. I regard the movie as having fixed Tony Stark after I think the character was messed up by Whedon and in what I think is Shane Black and then Whedon trying to salvage what they had left, with Whedon to me messing it up in the process as well more than Black. I prefer Spider-Man in this over a solid chunk of his MCU structures. I dig te conflict and such. But this doesn't mean I think it's better constructed movie or necessarily better paced than SM2. I think it's a stronger part of the MCU.

Well, agree to disagree then I guess. Cheers.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I find CW a tad over rated personally. Only really the final action scene has stakes and hey had to nerf Iron Man to get it. It's still a very good CBM, don't get me wrong, but I think a number of MCU movies are better than it, including its predecessor TWS.

Spiderman is still just an amazing movie nearly 20 years later, so I give it my vote.

 

[Dweet]

Spider-Man. I like it a lot more.

 

[Fosterson]

Civil War for me. I know this may seem heretical to some, but I've never been the biggest fan of the Raimi Spider-Man movies, whereas I find Civil War to be one of the most entertaining and emotionally impactful CBMs out there.

I also agree that CW saved Tony as a character after the lackluster arcs he had had in IM3 and AOU. It was great to see Tony forced to face the consequences of his arrogant, reckless and irresponsible actions in creating Ultron (which Whedon pretty much allowed him to get away with scot free). The scene where the mother of the kid who died in Sokovia confronts Tony while waiting for the elevator is one of the most underrated scenes in any CBM imo.

 

[metaphysician]

Civil War for me. I know this may seem heretical to some, but I've never been the biggest fan of the Raimi Spider-Man movies, whereas I find Civil War to be one of the most entertaining and emotionally impactful CBMs out there.

I also agree that CW saved Tony as a character after the lackluster arcs he had had in IM3 and AOU. It was great to see Tony forced to face the consequences of his arrogant, reckless and irresponsible actions in creating Ultron (which Whedon pretty much allowed him to get away with scot free). The scene where the mother of the kid who died in Sokovia confronts Tony while waiting for the elevator is one of the most underrated scenes in any CBM imo.

Pity his response to being confronted by the consequences of his bad decisions, was to make yet another bad decision with terrible consequences.

 

[Fosterson]

Pity his response to being confronted by the consequences of his bad decisions, was to make yet another bad decision with terrible consequences.

What bad decision? If you mean his support for the Sokovia Accords, then that's debatable. Believing that the Avengers need some kind of oversight is not in and of itself a terrible idea. Now obviously, Ross is a jackass and the movies ultimately come to vindicate Steve's position, but I still don't think you can put Tony's backing of the Accords in the same category as his creation of Ultron in terms of screw-ups.

If you mean his decision to attack Steve and Bucky at the end, sure that was a bad decision with bad consequences as it meant that the Avengers were disunited when Thanos attacked. But Tony's reaction is also understandable given the circumstances.

Facing the consequences of your mistakes doesn't mean suddenly becoming infallible.

Anyway, Full Fat Videos did a good essay on how the Russo's "fixed" Tony in CW:

 

[Herofan]

I don't like either but Spider-Man was much better, its main flaws was a few too many goofy scenes and excessive focus on Mary Jane. Civil War felt way too overpacked and contrived.

 

[Herofan]

What bad decision? If you mean his support for the Sokovia Accords, then that's debatable. Believing that the Avengers need some kind of oversight is not in and of itself a terrible idea.

Not necessarily (Steve and the others felt at least as bad for being so extreme against it), although with TWS and AoU he probably should have still been more weary about government power and control being corrupt/corruptible also, but working with T'Challa and others who wanted to kill Bucky, trying to make the jerk justification that Wanda wasn't an American (rather than what he could have that she should be feeling guilty for what she did), pretty much tricking/coercing Spider-Man to fight and it's hard to also not see him as responsible/accountable for the prison.

 

[metaphysician]

Here's the thing: by a long shot the primary reason the Avengers "needed oversight"? Tony Stark himself. Pretty much every foolish morally questionable decision? Entirely on his head. And Tony's response is to insist on. . . Avengers oversight, in a generalized sense. An oversight that he promotes on the grounds that. . . he can make it work, and avoid any real problems. Which is to say, he's embracing accountability, *for others*, while presuming that he himself won't actually be effected by it.

This is called "Tony making the same damn mistakes all over again".

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Spider Man for me. Raimi’s franchise is just special.

I like where CW was going with the whole Sokovia accords, but I think the movie fumbles in the third act when it just ends up being a personal spat.

 

[Venom75]

I really enjoy Civil War,but it's Spider-man all the way.

 

[psylockolussus]

Civil War.

 

[Originalavenger]

I'm not the biggest MCU fan in the world, slight under statement there. Plus yes for me BvS is far superior, but I'm a DC fan over Marvel and DCEU over MCU fan.

I’m responding 2 years after your post I like both but lean towards marvel!! That being said I don’t know how with a straight face at your date you can put dceu over marvel!! They were already in shambles while marvel was still ascending!!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I’m responding 2 years after your post I like both but lean towards marvel!! That being said I don’t know how with a straight face at your date you can put dceu over marvel!! They were already in shambles while marvel was still ascending!!

It was probably because different people like different things buddy.

 

[Originalavenger]

It was probably because different people like different things buddy.

I did say I liked both but just I felt quality has been overall much better with mcu then dceu!! Everyone entitled to their opinion and I just commented back