Spider-Man 3 Will Be the LAST Quality Comic Movie.

[7Hells]

You are looking way too much into it if you got a 9/11 terrorist vibe out of the Goblin.
And considering the Goblin is an American wouldnt the analogy be more apt as an American superpower terrorizing Americans?

 

[Cyrusbales]

You are looking way too much into it if you got a 9/11 terrorist vibe out of the Goblin.

he believes in one races superiority(super people), he bombs people, he is an anarchists, and is portrayed by the western world as a badguy. Covers his entire body, seems kinda terroristic to me...And the idea of a villain is basically a terrorist. Regardless of the villain or comic book etc...

 

[7Hells]

he believes in one races superiority(super people), he bombs people, he is an anarchists, and is portrayed by the western world as a badguy. Covers his entire body, seems kinda terroristic to me...And the idea of a villain is basically a terrorist. Regardless of the villain or comic book etc...

Sounds more like whats going on in America to Americans by American super powers rather than whats going on overseas to me

 

[Cyrusbales]

Sounds more like whats going on in America to Americans by American super powers rather than whats going on overseas to me

Well this is the media's portrayal of terrorism though, which is very different to it's actual nature.

 

[7Hells]

Which media are you talking about though?
Entertainment media is very different from Fox News propoganda.
Entertainment is the only medium liberals and democrats have in America now.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Which media are you talking about though?
Entertainment media is very different from Fox News propoganda.
Entertainment is the only medium liberals and democrats have in America now.

Well right after 9/11, there was a lot of straight terrorist bashing, rather than looking at why these people did things, and understanding their motivations etc, and the GG matches this sterotype that was created.

(BTW, I'm not saying terrorists aren't bad, they are sucky and not very nice!)

 

[7Hells]

Right after 9/11...
Thats human nature.
Whats going on in the "news" today is something completely different.
Though they are starting to let some of the truth seep out. Excluding certain stations of course.
What is GG?

 

[Cyrusbales]

Right after 9/11...
Thats human nature.
Whats going on in the "news" today is something completely different.
Though they are starting to let some of the truth seep out. Excluding certain stations of course.
What is GG?

GG= Green Goblin

Looking at the time when SM 1 and 2 were made, this reflects the media's model of terrorists quite well I think. Maybe not even intentionally, but none the less it did, guide the film in a patriotic stick together kind of way, that I feel the feel needn't have. These are my main quarrels with the SM movies, however I still like them. Also the inconsistency of the films, going from really dark realism in places, to silly stuff that doesn't fit. After the college fight, surely someone would put 2 and 2 together...

 

[7Hells]

Are you suggesting they decided to use Goblin because of his likeness to a terrorist?
Which by the way can be pretty much any villian if disecting as much as you are

But Spider-Man is a patriotic superhero.
He is surpassed only by Captain America...

 

[Cyrusbales]

Are you suggesting they decided to use Goblin because of his likeness to a terrorist?
Which by the way can be pretty much any villian if disecting as much as you are

I already said that any villain is primarily a terrorist. I'm just saying that the way in which he was handled in the mentioned scene, was very conscious of the american mentality towards the 9/11 issue. And this is even more explicit in SM2. It's not necessary in my opinion, and detracts from the rest of the film.

 

[7Hells]

lol its a New York mentality!
You mess with one of us you mess with all of us, that is as New York as it gets.

 

[Cyrusbales]

lol its a New York mentality!
You mess with one of us you mess with all of us, that is as New York as it gets.

But spiderman is an outcast, he's not generally accepted as a member of NY community, more like a webbed menace! lol. So they wouldn't stick up for him, I never saw this in the comics or TV series, it seems out of place and I didn't appreciate it in the movies at all!

 

[7Hells]

They would if he was trying to save a bunch of kids and someone was trying to stop him.

 

[Robin91939]

No this isn't true at all.

Superhero movies haven't fallen off THAT much.

Sure, X3: THE LAST STAND wasn't as good as X-MEN or X2: X-MEN UNITED but it was good. SUPERMAN RETURNS was a very good superhero film. Last years BATMAN BEGINS was arguably the best superherofilm of all time.

2005's SIN CITY was also tremendous, and its sequel will also be awesome.

We still have these movies to look forward to in the imediate future:

1.) THE DARK KNIGHT (2008)
2.) SUPERMAN 2 (2009)
3.) SIN CITY 2 (2008)
4.) THE INCREDIBLE HULK (2008)
5.) THE FANTASTIC FOUR AND THE SILVER SURFER (2007)

All five of these movies look to be better than the originals. They also have all had atleast good originals. In the care of SIN CITY and BATMAN BEGINS they are amoung the best.

SPIDER-MAN 3 will be a great comicbook movie. It will hopefully create the first UNIVERSALY loved comic book trillogy, but it will not be the last good comic film. Superman, Batman, Sin City, Wolverine, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Captain America and many other heros are coming to the screen, and many will do very well.

-R

 

[thedarks0ldier]

Thank god I'm not alone in that. The hugest black spot on that movie, IMO, was Katie Holmes. God, she's such a horrible actress.

cause Kirsten Dunst definatly carried the Spider-Man movies. BB is the best comic movie in my honest opinion, rivaled only by V. Spider-Man, even some of the people that contributed HATE the movie.

While Spidey 3 might make more (quantity) The Dark Knight will most likely be better quality

 

[thedarks0ldier]

GG= Green Goblin

Looking at the time when SM 1 and 2 were made, this reflects the media's model of terrorists quite well I think. Maybe not even intentionally, but none the less it did, guide the film in a patriotic stick together kind of way, that I feel the feel needn't have. These are my main quarrels with the SM movies, however I still like them. Also the inconsistency of the films, going from really dark realism in places, to silly stuff that doesn't fit. After the college fight, surely someone would put 2 and 2 together...

Batman Begins and V for Vendetta covered the idea of a terrorist much better the Spider-Man and X-Men combined. Heck, V, a british movie, was more patriotic then any comic book movie yet.

 

[The Man Of 16]

The college fight may be another thing that comes to light in the next film. And maybe spidermans secret identity is at stake. That would be a great subplot. Dont know how it would be handled though.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Batman Begins and V for Vendetta covered the idea of a terrorist much better the Spider-Man and X-Men combined. Heck, V, a british movie, was more patriotic then any comic book movie yet.

V was supposed to be a direct translation of terrorism, and t showed terrorism as good, unlike the mindless portrayal in spiderman, if you're sincerely saying you can't see it, then I'm lost for words.

 

[Castlewood]

Let's all just admit it. Comic book movies are beginning to wane. Spider-Man 3 will be the last great comic book movie... even better than The Dark Knight.

You win the award for most stupid, idiotic comment of ALL-TIME!! YAY!!

**pats you on the back**

 

[dodus]

Just wanted to make a couple points about the Spider-man 1/2/terrorism discussion above.

1. There was no conscious effort to make the Green Goblin into some kind of comment on terrorism in Spider-man 1, which had been through production BEFORE 9/11 occurred. Are you telling me that they edited the scenes together in such a way as to convey terrorism? Because that would have been the only way they could have done it at that point.

2. Super-villains are not by definition terrorists. A terrorist is defined as a political actor who amplifies his/her/it/their relative lack of power by engaging in erratic covert/guerilla action for the purpose of producing FEAR in a large population that they would be unable to influence through conventional military tactics or otherwise. Sadly, your equation of the word "terrorist" with the simple notion of "bad guy" (or dare I say it "evildoer") is a product of these uninformed times and the confusion permeating our culture.

If you want a sociological equivalent to supervillain, may I suggest the word "sociopath"--but even that, arguably, does not apply to many supervillains who think that they're doing good.

3. In the Spider-man comics, Spider-man is not universally hated by the general population. You are getting Spider-man confused with X-men. Spider-man is frequently (in the comics) shown as the idol of little boys, savior of little old ladies, champion of the working class New Yorker, etc. There are those who are suspicious, those who demonize (like JJJ), and many of those who love Spider-man. The public opinion of Spider-man, in the comics, cartoons, and lore, has ALWAYS been mixed and nuanced. It's always fun to see what the writers will do when Spidey interacts with regular people--it's always been an outlet of inspired creativity for them.

And Raimi, in similar scenes in his films, has perfectly captured the same spirit.


4. Batman Begins was f**king stupid.

 

[USMC]

cause Kirsten Dunst definatly carried the Spider-Man movies. BB is the best comic movie in my honest opinion, rivaled only by V. Spider-Man, even some of the people that contributed HATE the movie.

While Spidey 3 might make more (quantity) The Dark Knight will most likely be better quality

Hahaha... exactly what a politician does, deflect the crappy acting of Katie Holmes by bringing up an entirely different movie.



Doesn't change the fact that KH was a huge piece of crap in that movie, and oh goody, she gets to do it all over again in the next Batman movie. BB wasn't all that. Predictable, crappy subplot, horrible damsel in distress, and Bale's horrible "raspy Batman voice"... the ONLY reason that movie was good was because of the exceptional actors put into the roles (KH excluded) and the sense of "realism" that Nolan tried giving the origin of Batman.

Sure, there could have been a better Mary Jane. Doesn't change the fact that KH sucked ass.

 

[USMC]

You win the award for most stupid, idiotic comment of ALL-TIME!! YAY!!
pats you on the back**

See above post.

BB wasn't all that, so please get off of Nolan's balls now.

 

[Carnotaur3]

My God. The people bashing Batman Begins on this thread scare me.