Spider-Man 3 Will Be the LAST Quality Comic Movie.

[Drago]

Raimi's a genius- he'll do fantastic with as many chances as Sony gives him.

Singer (although many hate him now) is pretty damn good as well, and I'd expect some good sequels from him for Supes.

Nolan's going to give us many more quality Batman films.

And as much as I despise FOX, X-Men has the most potential for story-telling, AND even if I disagree with "Wolverine" being strictly a prequel, it's being handled well and will most likely be a good flick.

Can't leave out Sin City, a new Hulk film, and many others either.... FOX may have scared us with the way they handled X3 and F4, but that shouldn't be an indication of the entire genre.

 

[USMC]

Um, how can you make such a statement with these films coming out after Spiderman:

- The Dark Knight
- Wolverine
- Possible X-Men Sequels (I'm sure they'll do one)
- Iron Man
- Wonderwoman
- Superman Sequel
- Sin City 2
- Ant Man
- Transformers
- Ninja Turtles

A little presumptuous don't you think?

-Wolverine is gonna be lame.
-Any X-Men sequel will be worse than the pathetic 3rd one.
-IM = The Rockateer with better FX.
-WonderWoman = Not enough people give a damn about watching a female superhero.
-Superman Returns 2 = Gawd, where to even begin.
-Ant Man = ya... Ant Man.
-Transformers = Have you SEEN that putrid Megatron pic?
-Ninja Turtles = A kiddie movie disguised as a real movie that is actually just the original movie, but with CGI... pure crap.

Of course, just my opinion, which means nothing to anyone but myself.

 

[SuperT]

It seems like you're just coming off as a Spiderman fanboy.

 

[Halcohol]

While I don't think that Spider-Man 3 will be the LAST great comic-book movie per se, I think it signifies the peak of the CBM genre. Now, I don't mean to say that Spider-Man 3 will be better than The Dark Knight, because that's like comparing apples to oranges. They're two different storylines about two different characters in completely disparate atmospheres. What I mean to say is, looking at the big picture of comic adaptations, we're nearing the midpoint of the genre's cycle.

Everything in pop culture goes in cycles, and the comic-book movie genre is no different. The Superman series started off grand, but doomed itself with III and IV. Same with the Batman series: started off great, and to much acclaim from both critics and fans, but then shot itself in the foot by putting nipples on the Batsuit (among other things). After Batman & Robin, the genre was more or less dead. Enter Brian Singer.

Singer saw through the smoke and flash of previous superhero movies and distilled the X-Men series down to its essentials: characters and morals. Finally, we had a superhero movie that remained true to the spirit of the source material. The only thing that stopped X-Men from being a worldwide smash hit was the minute budget and rushed release date (thus began another trend: 20th Century Fox's preference for bright lights and explosions in place of character development and substance). Despite the stigma of the superhero genre, despite the efforts of the studio to kill the movie quickly and quietly, he succeeded in showing the world that a good CBM could still be made. So what happened next? Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, which not only reinforced the notion that good CBMs could be made, but that with a higher budget, they'd make more money. The genre exploded. Within 3 years, we had Hulk, X2, Spider-Man 2, Hellboy, The Punisher, Daredevil, etc. etc. Studio audiences ate them up. As a general studio rule, if it was a CBM, it'd make a sh_tload of money.

So now we're looking at 2007 and beyond. For the sake of argument, let's say that the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises end after 3 movies. Okay, there go the two leading series in the genre. What are we left with? The Dark Knight, which promises to be awesome, Fantastic Four & The Rise of the Silver Surfer, which has average expectations (especially based on the first installment), and MAYBE a sequel to Superman Returns, which wouldn't be a bad movie by any means. These are just the "big" superhero series. We'll see Wolverine, Captain America, Iron Man, Wonder Woman, The Incredible Hulk, Transformers, Ghost Rider and probably 4-5 other standalone movies in the next couple of years. No problem.

However there's also the start of a depressing trend: making movies that, to be perfectly honest with you, nobody is going to see. Ant-Man. Seriously. Who the hell is going to see Ant-Man? Unless the trailer looks awesome and there is an insane marketing blitz, NOBODY is going to know who Ant-Man is. It doesn't matter HOW big the budget on Ant-Man is, it's not going to bring in even HALF the money of Spider-Man. This is going to be the next phase of the genre's cycle- the studios overestimating its popularity. Studios will just keep pumping out new CBMs because they made an insane amount of money 4 years previous. I have a horrible vision in my head of Ant-Man 3 in 2011.

To sum up this rant:
Spider-Man 3 will be awesome. Then the Spider-Man franchise, much like the X-Men franchise, will be done for 10-20 years. We'll be satisfied for a few more years with the likes of Superman and Batman, plus the odd standalone that might be good (Iron Man, Wonder Woman, etc). Then, the floodgates will open and dozens of STUPID, BRAINLESS, CHEAP superhero movies will be released by the major studios in a ******ed attempt to capture the magic of the most well-known franchises (any proposed spin-off of the X-Men series other than Wolverine falls into this category. Again, who the HELL is going to see Magneto? Not enough people to make Fox any sort of money.)

We're not even close to the end of this cycle of the comic-book movie, but I believe we are at high noon.

 

[blitz]

I wouldnt say the last but it is a diamond in the ruff and i dont expect a good one until the dark night.

 

[Cyrusbales]

And blade runner was the last good sci-fi film? YOU HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE THE FILMS! You can say it was the last decent comic book film made when it comes out, but you can't say anything about the future, 'one cannot know beyond the limits of one's knowledge' - Ludwig Wittgenstein!

 

[muscaremy]

ey wait im missin sumtin here.....i know who Antman is...both Scott Lang and Hank Pym...ill see it..haha so theres 10 bucks for Marvel...haha

 

[muscaremy]

-Wolverine is gonna be lame.
-Any X-Men sequel will be worse than the pathetic 3rd one.
-IM = The Rockateer with better FX.
-WonderWoman = Not enough people give a damn about watching a female superhero.
-Superman Returns 2 = Gawd, where to even begin.
-Ant Man = ya... Ant Man.
-Transformers = Have you SEEN that putrid Megatron pic?
-Ninja Turtles = A kiddie movie disguised as a real movie that is actually just the original movie, but with CGI... pure crap.

Of course, just my opinion, which means nothing to anyone but myself.

forgot i wanted to quote this....yea cuz the Rocketeer was wearing a full metal suit and had technology out the wazooo......ooo yea wait he didnt he just had a helmet and jet pack...just like Iron Man yup

and you do realize that the tmnt movie wont have shredder as a villain right...yea so i guess it is exactly like the original movie....

 

[7Hells]

-WonderWoman = Not enough people give a damn about watching a female superhero.

eh, I think Wonder Woman will be well received. Especially considering female teens are the largest market for theatre sales. I have a feeling they want theirs too. There is a huge movement with empowering young women these days. The only problem with WW would be its overwhelming capacity for cheese. The teenage girls these days would identify much more with an anti-hero like Catwoman. Too bad that was a comedy...

A spin off of Rogue, Supergirl movie or even Power Girl (if introduced through Smallville) I think could make a serious run for comic book movie hit.

 

[HughJackFan420]

Let's all just admit it. Comic book movies are beginning to wane. Spider-Man 3 will be the last great comic book movie... even better than The Dark Knight.

We've rode this geek wave long enough and should be happy with what we got:

But now these movies have just oversaturated the market and the quality of stories will just get crappier and crappier. That is a fact of EVERY genre of films throughout the ages. There is a period of tremendous movies coming out for a particular genre, then there are too many, writing and acting suffers and then they go bye-bye.

MARK MY WORDS!

thats a big HELL NO

with the way things are going with X Men and Spiderman your out of your mind i mean we got decades of good stories as far as the rest of the super heroes i feel the same. i think they've just barely tapped into the comic world in making great movies with CGI so i think your alone on this one buddy

 

[Ibn]

-Wolverine is gonna be lame.
-Any X-Men sequel will be worse than the pathetic 3rd one.
-IM = The Rockateer with better FX.
-WonderWoman = Not enough people give a damn about watching a female superhero.
-Superman Returns 2 = Gawd, where to even begin.
-Ant Man = ya... Ant Man.
-Transformers = Have you SEEN that putrid Megatron pic?
-Ninja Turtles = A kiddie movie disguised as a real movie that is actually just the original movie, but with CGI... pure crap.

Of course, just my opinion, which means nothing to anyone but myself.

1. X3 was tight. Better than X1.
2. There is way more to Iron Man than his suit.
3. Wonder Woman......... your probably right. But that doesn't mean it won't be a good flick.
4. Superman Returns sequel - if they get a different ****in villian - can be amazing. A Superman v. Darkseid movie could take the whole cake.
5. Ant Man.......... you're probably right.
6. There are Transformer pics?
7. Ninja Turtles............. you're probably right. But as an old school Turtles fan, I have to keep hope alive.

Basically, there is no way in hell that SM3 will be it for comic adaptations. With the Batman series being nowhere near over, and the dedication of the leading men (writers, director, Bats) that series is bound for greatness. You can't judge the movies before they come out. I think that, if they bring in Galactus, Marvel could make something out of the Fantastic Four series. I also think the next Hulk flick is going to be great. Hell, I thought the first one was great. I mean Spider Man is quite easily, as far as media goes, top three loved superheroes of all time. But that's just it. It doesn't end w/ Spidey. Superman actually has alot of depth. And Batman is just about the deepest story out there in terms of comics. Spider Man 3 is going to be a brilliant piece of art. But I highly doubt it'll be the last of it's kind. ESPECIALLY since we haven't even seen the Joker or Two Face, or....... pretty much Batman's rogues yet. We haven't seen Darkseid, Braniac (which is wild), or Mongul or nothing. Don't give up hope just yet. Especially when everything is starting to look on the upside.

 

[USMC]

and you do realize that the tmnt movie wont have shredder as a villain right...yea so i guess it is exactly like the original movie..

Well, without Shredder, then it isn't a TMNT movie. Catch 22.

1. X3 was tight. Better than X1.

Sorry, but IMO, watching Kitty Pryde on screen taking over Roque's place got me pretty upset. And the whole Wolverine/Jean Grey BS was equally painful, cause it has and ALWAYS WILL BE Cyclops and Jean Grey! But Wolverine on film makes more $ for studios, so go figure.

2. There is way more to Iron Man than his suit.

Admittedly, I don't know much about IM, except for the fact that he's a complete a-hole in the pages of Marvel comics at the moment, and that he's a drunk. At least the Rockateer was an actual hero.

3. Wonder Woman......... your probably right. But that doesn't mean it won't be a good flick.

Oh, no doubt, I am extremely looking forward to WW, mostly because I love Buffy so much, so I trust Whedon to deliver. I'm just saying that critically and financially, it will probably flop.

4. Superman Returns sequel - if they get a different ****in villian - can be amazing. A Superman v. Darkseid movie could take the whole cake.

Only for fanboys, which is my whole point. Unless you get NON-COMIC NERDS in the seats, then it will be a failure. Batman Begins, X-Men, and Spidey deliver the goods because of the secret id's, not the special effects. Any villain other than Lex Luthor against Superman will be completely lost on the mainstream audience, especially a "space" villain, as Singer has said he wants to do in the sequel. It's all about the money.

6. There are Transformer pics?

Yes, and Megatron promises that this movie will be so far removed from anything the fans remember that they'll be begging to re-watch the original Transformers movie... the one where Bumblebee is actually a VW bug... which he isn't in the new movie. If I wanted to see Transformers that look like the ones in the new movie, I'll go grab a copy of Fast and The Furious 4: Cybertron Drift.

Basically, there is no way in hell that SM3 will be it for comic adaptations. With the Batman series being nowhere near over, and the dedication of the leading men (writers, director, Bats) that series is bound for greatness. You can't judge the movies before they come out. I think that, if they bring in Galactus, Marvel could make something out of the Fantastic Four series. I also think the next Hulk flick is going to be great. Hell, I thought the first one was great. I mean Spider Man is quite easily, as far as media goes, top three loved superheroes of all time. But that's just it. It doesn't end w/ Spidey. Superman actually has alot of depth. And Batman is just about the deepest story out there in terms of comics. Spider Man 3 is going to be a brilliant piece of art. But I highly doubt it'll be the last of it's kind. ESPECIALLY since we haven't even seen the Joker or Two Face, or....... pretty much Batman's rogues yet. We haven't seen Darkseid, Braniac (which is wild), or Mongul or nothing. Don't give up hope just yet. Especially when everything is starting to look on the upside.

I'm not in total disagreement, I should have titled the thread a different way. My statement is not an absolute on Spidey 3 being the last, I just meant to say that the downward trend is speeding up... 2-3-4 years seems like a long time, but it will come quick and I just feel the movies will be worse and worse.

 

[BxB402]

Ninja turtles is gonna rock Shredder or not. Plus i heard somewhere that Shredder may make a cameo, maybe a setup for a sequel?

and THE ROCKETEER SUCKS! !!!!!!!

 

[Ibn]

Well, without Shredder, then it isn't a TMNT movie. Catch 22.




Sorry, but IMO, watching Kitty Pryde on screen taking over Roque's place got me pretty upset. And the whole Wolverine/Jean Grey BS was equally painful, cause it has and ALWAYS WILL BE Cyclops and Jean Grey! But Wolverine on film makes more $ for studios, so go figure.

Point taken. But I seriously don't think it's over. I think Cyclops is still alive. I hope they make X4. I think that if they do that, alot of people might change their minds about X3, knowing that that wasn't it and all.


Admittedly, I don't know much about IM, except for the fact that he's a complete a-hole in the pages of Marvel comics at the moment, and that he's a drunk. At least the Rockateer was an actual hero.

............ Turns out you know alot about Iron Man. But Tony Starks is a hero really. He's just a drunkard and a ****e. And I think Terrance Howard could be a great War Machine.

Oh, no doubt, I am extremely looking forward to WW, mostly because I love Buffy so much, so I trust Whedon to deliver. I'm just saying that critically and financially, it will probably flop.

I think if they get a good popular actress w big **** and ass and promote that well enough, it COULD sell. Of course it could also be boycotted.


Only for fanboys, which is my whole point. Unless you get NON-COMIC NERDS in the seats, then it will be a failure. Batman Begins, X-Men, and Spidey deliver the goods because of the secret id's, not the special effects. Any villain other than Lex Luthor against Superman will be completely lost on the mainstream audience, especially a "space" villain, as Singer has said he wants to do in the sequel. It's all about the money.

Those are some good points ma friend.


Yes, and Megatron promises that this movie will be so far removed from anything the fans remember that they'll be begging to re-watch the original Transformers movie... the one where Bumblebee is actually a VW bug... which he isn't in the new movie. If I wanted to see Transformers that look like the ones in the new movie, I'll go grab a copy of Fast and The Furious 4: Cybertron Drift.

Could you post a pic for me. I don't know where the hell to find it.





I'm not in total disagreement, I should have titled the thread a different way. My statement is not an absolute on Spidey 3 being the last, I just meant to say that the downward trend is speeding up... 2-3-4 years seems like a long time, but it will come quick and I just feel the movies will be worse and worse.[/quote]

Ahh. I can definitely agree there. Come to think of it, I really couldn't see Darkseid selling a movie. Or any other Superman villian for that matter, unless it was Batman or something (which I hope to hell they don't go w/). Damn. I really can't see Iron Man selling that good either. Nah, you know what I think. I think DC is seriously about to have their shot. Marvel got a few good movies off then started rushing random crap for the sake of getting their names out over DC. I think Superman Returns was a decent movie. I seriously think that, w/ the right promotion, they could get Supes selling again. I also think a Green Lantern movie would sell, I can see the rings powers appealing to kids imaginations. I've also come to learn from working as a caricature artist that a LOT of kids LOVE Flash. So who knows. I would really like to see a DC uprising.

 

[BxB402]

I disagree. Shredder isn't the ONLY badguy in the ninja turtle universe. He is one of the best, but every turtle movie doesn't need him. I'm actually looking forward to seeing a new villain. I;m sure Shredder will make an appearance in there somewhere or in a sequel. The Ninja Turtles will rock regardless of shredders appearance.

 

[freelancer]

I don't look forward to any other super-hero movie...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Raimi's a genius- he'll do fantastic with as many chances as Sony gives him.

Singer (although many hate him now) is pretty damn good as well, and I'd expect some good sequels from him for Supes.

Nolan's going to give us many more quality Batman films.

And as much as I despise FOX, X-Men has the most potential for story-telling, AND even if I disagree with "Wolverine" being strictly a prequel, it's being handled well and will most likely be a good flick.

Can't leave out Sin City, a new Hulk film, and many others either.... FOX may have scared us with the way they handled X3 and F4, but that shouldn't be an indication of the entire genre.

sam has done an awesome awesome job on the siderman movies spiderman3 is ganna be the best comic book movie ever.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

While I don't think that Spider-Man 3 will be the LAST great comic-book movie per se, I think it signifies the peak of the CBM genre. Now, I don't mean to say that Spider-Man 3 will be better than The Dark Knight, because that's like comparing apples to oranges. They're two different storylines about two different characters in completely disparate atmospheres. What I mean to say is, looking at the big picture of comic adaptations, we're nearing the midpoint of the genre's cycle.

Everything in pop culture goes in cycles, and the comic-book movie genre is no different. The Superman series started off grand, but doomed itself with III and IV. Same with the Batman series: started off great, and to much acclaim from both critics and fans, but then shot itself in the foot by putting nipples on the Batsuit (among other things). After Batman & Robin, the genre was more or less dead. Enter Brian Singer.

Singer saw through the smoke and flash of previous superhero movies and distilled the X-Men series down to its essentials: characters and morals. Finally, we had a superhero movie that remained true to the spirit of the source material. The only thing that stopped X-Men from being a worldwide smash hit was the minute budget and rushed release date (thus began another trend: 20th Century Fox's preference for bright lights and explosions in place of character development and substance). Despite the stigma of the superhero genre, despite the efforts of the studio to kill the movie quickly and quietly, he succeeded in showing the world that a good CBM could still be made. So what happened next? Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, which not only reinforced the notion that good CBMs could be made, but that with a higher budget, they'd make more money. The genre exploded. Within 3 years, we had Hulk, X2, Spider-Man 2, Hellboy, The Punisher, Daredevil, etc. etc. Studio audiences ate them up. As a general studio rule, if it was a CBM, it'd make a sh_tload of money.

So now we're looking at 2007 and beyond. For the sake of argument, let's say that the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises end after 3 movies. Okay, there go the two leading series in the genre. What are we left with? The Dark Knight, which promises to be awesome, Fantastic Four & The Rise of the Silver Surfer, which has average expectations (especially based on the first installment), and MAYBE a sequel to Superman Returns, which wouldn't be a bad movie by any means. These are just the "big" superhero series. We'll see Wolverine, Captain America, Iron Man, Wonder Woman, The Incredible Hulk, Transformers, Ghost Rider and probably 4-5 other standalone movies in the next couple of years. No problem.

However there's also the start of a depressing trend: making movies that, to be perfectly honest with you, nobody is going to see. Ant-Man. Seriously. Who the hell is going to see Ant-Man? Unless the trailer looks awesome and there is an insane marketing blitz, NOBODY is going to know who Ant-Man is. It doesn't matter HOW big the budget on Ant-Man is, it's not going to bring in even HALF the money of Spider-Man. This is going to be the next phase of the genre's cycle- the studios overestimating its popularity. Studios will just keep pumping out new CBMs because they made an insane amount of money 4 years previous. I have a horrible vision in my head of Ant-Man 3 in 2011.

To sum up this rant:
Spider-Man 3 will be awesome. Then the Spider-Man franchise, much like the X-Men franchise, will be done for 10-20 years. We'll be satisfied for a few more years with the likes of Superman and Batman, plus the odd standalone that might be good (Iron Man, Wonder Woman, etc). Then, the floodgates will open and dozens of STUPID, BRAINLESS, CHEAP superhero movies will be released by the major studios in a ******ed attempt to capture the magic of the most well-known franchises (any proposed spin-off of the X-Men series other than Wolverine falls into this category. Again, who the HELL is going to see Magneto? Not enough people to make Fox any sort of money.)

We're not even close to the end of this cycle of the comic-book movie, but I believe we are at high noon.

Agreed

 

[Secret_Riddle]

i voted yes but only because a lot of new franchises and entries into current franchises are being poorly written and directed and rushed to theaters for max profit. however there are more franchises being handled with care other then spider-man. dark knight returns for example should be excellent.

 

[batman7289]

The Dark Knight may be the last quality comic book movie but im hoping not

 

[Fran]

The Dark Knight will be an amazing movie...

But I think in around 20 or so years, Spider-Man will start up again.

Don't forget about The Incredible Hulk. I know, I know, no one really thinks it will do well. But you never know. One or two great trailers could bring the buzz up for the movie.

 

[Cinemaman]

-Wolverine is gonna be lame.
-Any X-Men sequel will be worse than the pathetic 3rd one.
-IM = The Rockateer with better FX.
-WonderWoman = Not enough people give a damn about watching a female superhero.
-Superman Returns 2 = Gawd, where to even begin.
-Ant Man = ya... Ant Man.
-Transformers = Have you SEEN that putrid Megatron pic?
-Ninja Turtles = A kiddie movie disguised as a real movie that is actually just the original movie, but with CGI... pure crap.

Of course, just my opinion, which means nothing to anyone but myself.

Intersting, but you didn't say anything about TDK.

 

[Mr. Vice]

The Dark Knight will be an amazing movie...

But I think in around 20 or so years, Spider-Man will start up again.

Don't forget about The Incredible Hulk. I know, I know, no one really thinks it will do well. But you never know. One or two great trailers could bring the buzz up for the movie.

I'm not too sure about The Incredible Hulk being "decent", especially if "Dominic Purcell" takes over as Bruce Banner.

 

[Mr. Vice]

Intersting, but you didn't say anything about TDK.

He probably knows what's wrong and what's right.

 

[James"007"Bond]

You're a sad little girl if "people like me" cause you to quit posting here on a regular basis. It's an opinion, nothing more, which is why most people DO post here... to discuss with each other, challenge each other, laugh with each other, and yes, even be piles of turds to each other (as you clearly have shown you have a knack for).

And you have nothing to substantiate your "obtuse" (wow, big words) comment that TDK will be any better than any other sequel. Turn-about's fairplay, 00-negative, and all you've done is shown that people around here perceive you as nothing more than a whiny fanboy with a serious chip on your shoulder with his head so far up Nolan's ass that you can see his teeth. Don't forget your flashlight, assclown!

No no no and no.

Firstly, I hardly post here because the quality of discussion and putting foward semi good ideas has plummeted down the sh1t hole, due to, little punks such as yourself who have the cerebral capacity of a ******ed amoeba.
You are passing judgement on a film that hasn't even started filming and yet being the little pu**y you are, you think you have the vaginal fluids to sit behind your little pc and call me an assclown? You joke.
Secondly, I'm not a big batman fan but I sure as hell enjoyed BB. I'm a spidey fan first and foremost, both spidey movies imo were weak, spidey 3 looks like my redemption movie but that doesn't warrent me to be brainless enough to chat the crap your spewing.

In future if you should decide to put foward any more "intelligent" comments just remember to shut the hell up. Peace.