No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Original Discussion Thread

[Arachnerd]

At most... for post-film cannon universe continuity, they'll mention...

• Tobey lost his Aunt May

(seeing Tomei will make him sad, ala Spider-Verse / Ultimate Comics)
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• Andrew's Aunt May has been his only saving grace through the hard times

(he'll drive home to Holland that Aunt May is "their" everything, always listen/trust to her)​

If it gives Marisa Tomei some actual good material to sink her teeth into other than "lol hot Aunt May", I'm game.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I'm fairly confident it'll be Raimiverse Peter and ASM Peter. We'll learn what they've been up through dialogue.

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A scene with Tobey pleading with him the same way he was able to prior just to get swatted away would be delightful.

Thats something im wondering whether they will multiverse ouf of existence just so they don't have to address it. i think the spider-men coming to together would be tonally exciting. the swinging, the action, the probably fun interactions while fighting. probably tonally not fit to address that toby did this in one of this movies. they will probably just want to jump straight into a climax.

 

[antsman41]

Id think its best to address their appearances in a more positive way. especially since its hard to say what kind of role they have. you don't want to get into a downer to their lives. thats not much of a way to reunite with them lol

...we're talking Spider-Man here.

The character who only knows failure, heartbreak, loss. That's why we all love the character, because they show us how to overcome all of those tragic scenarios. Be better, become more, and always keep on fighting.

 

[GuestStar2004]

...we're talking Spider-Man here.

The character who only knows failure, heartbreak, loss. That's why we all love the character, because they show us how to overcome all of those tragic scenarios. Be better, become more, and always keep on fighting.

But there is a point where you want the audience to be happy to see them. not feel happy, then depressed. and given how much of a role they could have. they do need to use it very wireless IMO.

Plus tonally its gonna be fun. because its an MCU movie

 

[Arachnerd]

Yep. I feel this is going to be the end of Peter's highschool years and the next trilogy will be with him in college, so having him face some major consequences here to differentiate from the previous two movies would be refreshing for MCU Spider-Man. Also like antsman said, tragedy and perseverance are major parts of the character's pathos, so having Tom Holland's version deal with dilemmas that are not solely tied around Tony Stark (like him being on the run, possibly scared and such) would be incredibly refreshing for these movies.

You can still have the movie be fun (both Raimi and Webb films were but still had their emotional moments) but still feature some conflicts that Tom Holland's Peter will have to overcome and not fully succeed. The movie being fun does not automatically mean it should be exempt of any drama or inner conflict, that's not how it works.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The Tone of MCU spider-man is not gonna change. i think its wishful thinking for anyone who thinks this Tone is just bcause he is at school.

 

[Arachnerd]

Again, I don't see how the movie being "fun" means it should have no drama or conflict whatsoever. I feel like you're not really listening to people's opinions and just deflecting arguments with the same point over and over again with no explainable reason.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Again, I don't see how the movie being "fun" means it should have no drama or conflict whatsoever. I feel like you're not really listening to people's opinions and just deflecting with the same point over and over again.

Course you can have Drama and Conflict. infact im one of the people who has been arguing Tom Hollands spider-man has had Drama and conflict. its just not the drama and conflict people want. mostly because it all centers around being like his hero Tony Stark.

For example. skipping the drama of Aunt may finding out he is Spider-man for some light relief. if Spider-man gets another trilogy. which i have my doubts about as no one in the MCU has got a 2nd trilogy so far. but if they do... that same tone that didn't give us the aunt may finding out he is Spider-man drama isn't changing. its just the tone set for this character for the MCU. Fiege is producer and he likely has a big part in why the tone is this way.

And believe me i am listening to peoples opinions. just because I'm grounding them, doesn't mean i ain't listening.

 

[Nardz937]

At most... for post-film cannon universe continuity, they'll mention...

• Tobey lost his Aunt May

(seeing Tomei will make him sad, ala Spider-Verse / Ultimate Comics)
​

• Andrew's Aunt May has been his only saving grace through the hard times

(he'll drive home to Holland that Aunt May is "their" everything, always listen/trust to her)​

I don't dislike this idea, but Rosemary Harris is still alive and actively acting. I would love to see her again if possible.

 

[Arachnerd]

That's assuming we even get a peak at their respective universes which I don't think is likely. Maybe an ending recap like in ITSV, but realistically, there probably wouldn't be more than that.

 

[Nardz937]

I think we will see their universes and what they've been up too. Either from when Tom's Peter ends up there and or when they're coming to him.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well from the sound of it. the idea is meant to be that all universes collide into the MCU. meaning that every universe exists in one. with some multiverse customisation along the way. i suspect this won't be a dimensional jumping film.

 

[ernesth100]

Well from the sound of it. the idea is meant to be that all universes collide into the MCU. meaning that every universe exists in one. with some multiverse customisation along the way. i suspect this won't be a dimensional jumping film.

Marvel does this a lot in their comics. Unlike DC they have several versions of each hero and some versions become more popular than others. When this happens they usually do a multiverse event to allow other versions to crossover and sometimes(like Miles Morales) remain in the 616.

I'm assuming what Marvel's going for isn't too far off from that.

 

[Frodo]

Course you can have Drama and Conflict. infact im one of the people who has been arguing Tom Hollands spider-man has had Drama and conflict. its just not the drama and conflict people want. mostly because it all centers around being like his hero Tony Stark.

I agree that the next trilogy will have drama in it , though whether that means it's the type of drama that some fans may want is another issue. I don't think it's going to be a replay of specific dramatic beats that have already been touched on in the Raimi and Webb films.

I think if fans are waiting for them to adapt the Death of Gwen Stacy again, for example, they may be disappointed. I don't see them revisiting his guilt over Uncle Ben or having him be tortured about not stopping the burglar.

I highly doubt they'll do a Spiderman No more again, for example. Then again, he may have give up being Spiderman for awhile in SM3 given he's under a microscope now.

Whether this Peter will end up in an apartment struggling with bills, College, and girlfriends all at the same time , remains to be seen. I tend to think his college struggles won't be what fans assume, or expect it will be.

Given the way Marvel and Sony have handled things so far, it's been about distinguishing themselves from the previous 2 iterations.

So, whatever drama and struggles Holland's Peter may face, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't the specific struggles alot of fans may want him to have.

 

[antsman41]

I'm still hoping they let Holland have a bit of a break... maybe a cameo here and there. Then in 5-7 years start up a new trilogy with an older Peter, who's teaching or doing work as a scientist.

 

[Arachnerd]

If SM3 is the last MCU Spider-Man movie for a while, I feel like it's almost a guarantee that he'll pop up in Fantastic 4 to some extent.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yea it would be kinda neat if they adapted that scene F4 scene from ASM#1

 

[GuestStar2004]

I just don't see Spider-man getting a 2nd trilogy. So far no one in the MCU has got a 2nd trilogy and Marvel is working on so much right now, including new characters that i think they will side some characters so they can get new ones intro production.

If Spider-man stays in the MCU. i could honestly see him becoming a guest character in other films rather then his own movies. although how Sony would profit from that... who knows.

This is kinda the issue with everything being apart of Marvel. it means everything has to be organised in a particular order and set up. with the resources planned in particular areas.

 

[Venom 1988]

I just don't see Spider-man getting a 2nd trilogy. So far no one in the MCU has got a 2nd trilogy and Marvel is working on so much right now, including new characters that i think they will side some characters so they can get new ones intro production.

If Spider-man stays in the MCU. i could honestly see him becoming a guest character in other films rather then his own movies. although how Sony would profit from that... who knows.

This is kinda the issue with everything being apart of Marvel. it means everything has to be organised in a particular order and set up. with the resources planned in particular areas.

He's getting more movies, regardless if he's in the MCU or not. If Sony wants to keep the rights, they have to continue making more movies. And if they continue working with Disney/Marvel, he's not going to be regulated to solely guest spots because as you said Sony wont make any money that way.

And while no one else has gotten another trilogy, of all characters, Thor is getting a 4th movie. So really there's no hard and fast rule that says they have to stop at 3.

 

[venom892]

No one has gotten a second trilogy....yet. Thor will have his forth installment soon and Hemsworth seems game for more. It all depends on whether that character is still making money and if the actor wants to keep doing it.

 

[Frodo]

He's getting more movies, regardless if he's in the MCU or not. If Sony wants to keep the rights, they have to continue making more movies. And if they continue working with Disney/Marvel, he's not going to be regulated to solely guest spots because as you said Sony wont make any money that way.

And while no one else has gotten another trilogy, of all characters, Thor is getting a 4th movie. So really there's no hard and fast rule that says they have to stop at 3.

There's too much money to walk away from, and I doubt Disney is gonna want Spidey gone anytime soon. So, Spiderman most likely will have more appearances in the MCU regardless of whether there's another trilogy or not.

Spiderman is a different case then characters like Thor or Cap, and I'm just skeptical Feige and Disney wouldn't jump at another series of films for the sake of being consistent with the other characters film patterns.

Right now they joint venture with Sony is very profitable for both parties and I don't see them ending it anytime soon.

 

[GuestStar2004]

He's getting more movies, regardless if he's in the MCU or not. If Sony wants to keep the rights, they have to continue making more movies.

Well yeah if the don't renew the deal. it certainly won't stop Sony from making 3 spidey films of some sort a year.

And if they continue working with Disney/Marvel, he's not going to be regulated to solely guest spots because as you said Sony wont make any money that way

And while no one else has gotten another trilogy, of all characters, Thor is getting a 4th movie. So really there's no hard and fast rule that says they have to stop at 3.

I'm still convinced the only reason Thor is getting another movie is because Natalie portman will take over as female thor. As when they first announced the movie they revealed first and foremost their intention for her to be female thor. and i don't think we need a female thor, but i do wonder what happens to Chris Hemsworth's Thor after this movie. are they gonna be running around as 2 powerful thor gods? or is this a passing of the torch?

I mean they could do something similar with Spider-man. progress onto a different spider-man and use Holland in that movie. Sony would still profit on that and Marvel would have a new thing to play with.

No one has gotten a second trilogy....yet. Thor will have his forth installment soon and Hemsworth seems game for more. It all depends on whether that character is still making money and if the actor wants to keep doing it.

Well Robert Downey was fully onboard with an Iron Man 4. that could have made a billion easy. but for whatever reason Marvel would not make a Iron Man 4 and just stuck to Civil War being a kinda Iron man 4.

I don't think its about money really. its about time, resources and reason. They have a schedule they are constantly planning. they are always moving forward with new characters and they all link in some way. at some point characters are gonna be pushed aside to much smaller degrees. and Spider-man is something Marvel profit from whether they are part of the making of the films or not.

Right now they joint venture with Sony is very profitable for both parties and I don't see them ending it anytime soon.

Well we know there was 2 films on the contract. one for Sony. which is the Spiderverse movie probably. and one for Marvel. which means Spider-man is gonna be in one of their movies. who knows which one thats gonna be. but after that is when new negotiations will begin. thats when Disney and Sony start to say ok so lets talk stepping up what I can get out of this. both basically claiming to be holding what makes Spider-man in the MCU a success.

They won't make any decisions until they see what happens with his next 2 appearances. and really 7 MCU appearance is still pretty darn good.

 

[Frodo]

Well we know there was 2 films on the contract. one for Sony. which is the Spiderverse movie probably. and one for Marvel. which means Spider-man is gonna be in one of their movies. who knows which one thats gonna be. but after that is when new negotiations will begin. thats when Disney and Sony start to say ok so lets talk stepping up what I can get out of this. both basically claiming to be holding what makes Spider-man in the MCU a success.

They won't make any decisions until they see what happens with his next 2 appearances. and really 7 MCU appearance is still pretty darn good.

I wouldn't be surprised if the new negotiations are already taking place. SMFFH made a billion dollars, so they're gonna be less likely to take a wait and see approach when they know the have a franchise that can potentially make that much money.

In other words, being super cautious about whether to keep the status quo lessens a great deal when they know from past history how profitable the relationship is. It's not a brand new IP they're testing out. They know over 20 years and in the last several years, The Spiderman brand makes bank.

Now, alot can happen of course by the time the next 2 films are out. But even if they're underwhelming critically or are met with mixed responses, I highly doubt Disney would still be willing to just end the partnership after the two film deal.

I see Disney and Sony having at least some kind of relationship going forward in the years to come with regards to the Spiderman character on film.

It's just too profitable at this point for both sides to walk away from each other despite whatever bluster the heads of the two studios may show during contract negotiations.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I wouldn't be surprised if the new negotiations are already taking place. SMFFH made a billion dollars, so they're gonna be less likely to take a wait and see approach when they know the have a franchise that can potentially make that much money.

Yeah FFH made a billion dollars. and then they had negotiations and thet fell through... remember? that was after FFH. and there is certainly a reason why the first deal was for 4-5 movies or whatever and this one was just for 2.

Negotiations won't happen until the deal finishes. thats when its time to see whether the 2 companies were happy with their relationship or decide they want more that the other isn't willing to give.

it's just too profitable at this point for both sides to walk away from each other despite whatever bluster the heads of the two studios may show during contract negotiations.

Its profitable for them in different ways. obviously Sony make the large bulk of the solo film profits, and so they should. they own Spider-man. while Marvel make a much smaller profit on them and really only profit the most from the Toys and Merchandise. which is probably why the MCU spider-man movies give him a change of costume every film so Marvel can up their toys sales just get abit more profit on allowing another studio to profit from them.

Although they profit on Toys and merchandise either way for whatever films Sony make. so it all really needs to be worth it.

Its fairly complicated.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Why are we discussing some contracts that are way above our paygrade and could take a 180° turn in a month?