No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Original Discussion Thread

[Dark Raven]

What's Tony Stark going to have done to Electro for this version?

 

[Arachnerd]

Why, he used to be his electrician of course.

 

[Chris B]

Quick thought, but perhaps the seeds of a Spider-Verse film start to be laid here? Where Foxx is playing a new version of Electro, but there being some kind of nod to him having had a doppelganger somewhere else in the broader MCU multiverse and suggesting that the Raimi films and TASM series exist somewhere within that.

Obviously would require a Dr. Strange appearance of course.

 

[Fincher]

One of the reasons i am willing to bet they are doing the spiderverse NOW. is because they have opened the door for it with Wandavision and as much as many fans say oh they should wait for the 6th movie... why let a door close so you need to find another one later on?

The pacing of the Spider-Man series so far isn't what you would normally expect, either. They skipped his origin. The second movie sent him to Europe and didn't do as much as they could to develop his world, but by the end of it his alter-ego was public knowledge. Meanwhile, they didn't spend much time on Captain America adjusting to living in a different time period but rather made his second movie Winter Soldier and his third movie Civil War, and Steve didn't involve them needing to cooperate with Sony. I could totally buy them making Spider-Man's third movie Spider-Verse and his fourth movie Sinister Six (or doing the Sinister Six movie Sony planned before he ever came to the MCU).

That's not to say that I think this is literally the same Electro as in ASM2, since he's both dead and unpopular. If they're using this as a way to quickly set up the Sinister Six in a way that gives them some sort of weight, by drawing on past versions...well, it's kind of awkward to have Green Goblin/Doc Octopus/Electro all come to the MCU from parallel universes and turn out to be alive in those other worlds. At least with someone unliked like Electro they could have Foxx play Electro from a previously unseen universe but have Garfield be like, "Hey, I know that guy," so that he's kind of someone we know and not completely random.

Even if they're doing Spider-Verse, this is speculative because we don't know who they'll get on board. I'm sure they would want to get Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, though.

 

[Web-Head]

Agreed. The only good action scene in either ASM film imo.

I liked most of the Lizard fights. Especially these two

Foxx's Electro was like something you'd see on the Flash TV series with his blue skin and hoodie. They didn't even need to call him Electro.

He needs to be in green and yellow this time round.

I mean, he sort of was on the Flash in season one...

 

[Fincher]

I thought the action in the ASM series was good in general, but the school library was my favorite.

As for Electro, my issue with him was characterization and not his look, so them making him not blue doesn't mean anything to me.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I'd rather they closed off Holland's story arc with a third movie, whilst using it to set up a potential 'Spider-Verse' movie.

I mean, I'm sure it'll happen but I hope they aren't just pushing this out there to clip WB/DC's wings with their MULTIVERSE BATMEN in 'The Flash'.

 

[ironwez20]

I think all the studios ( Marvel, Sony, WB) are stepping up their games with regards to these properties in the 2020s.

They're all delving into the Multiverse concept, albeit each in their own ways.

The idea of reaching back to prior actors, casting alternate actors as alternate versions, and having multiple versions of the same characters on film and tv simultaneously, is no longer considered "off limits" .

This ain't the 90s anymore.

The studios are looking to exploit these properties in as many ways possible and that means going beyond what they've done in the past.

it could get tedious. I mean to much of anything is bad.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I'd rather they closed off Holland's story arc with a third movie, whilst using it to set up a potential 'Spider-Verse' movie.

I mean, I'm sure it'll happen but I hope they aren't just pushing this out there to clip WB/DC's wings with their MULTIVERSE BATMEN in 'The Flash'.

Remember that Batman vs superman was announced before Civil War, and the directors of winter soldier and Civil War originally had different ideas for a 3rd captain america that did not happen because of Civil War. So yeah its possible they heard about The Flash and said lets do it first.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The pacing of the Spider-Man series so far isn't what you would normally expect, either. They skipped his origin. The second movie sent him to Europe and didn't do as much as they could to develop his world, but by the end of it his alter-ego was public knowledge. Miseanwhile, they didn't spend much time on Captain America adjusting to living in a different time period but rather made his second movie Winter Soldier and his third movie Civil War, and Steve didn't involve them needing to cooperate with Sony. I could totally buy them making Spider-Man's third movie Spider-Verse and his fourth movie Sinister Six (or doing the Sinister Six movie Sony planned before he ever came to the MCU).

That's not to say that I think this is literally the same Electro as in ASM2, since he's both dead and unpopular. If they're using this as a way to quickly set up the Sinister Six in a way that gives them some sort of weight, by drawing on past versions...well, it's kind of awkward to have Green Goblin/Doc Octopus/Electro all come to the MCU from parallel universes and turn out to be alive in those other worlds. At least with someone unliked like Electro they could have Foxx play Electro from a previously unseen universe but have Garfield be like, "Hey, I know that guy," so that he's kind of someone we know and not completely random.

Even if they're doing Spider-Verse, this is speculative because we don't know who they'll get on board. I'm sure they would want to get Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, though.

Well Electro could still be alive. His death is easy reversible. DOC Ock could have survived too. The green goblin from Spiderman 1 is totally dead though.

If there is no body found, then they could still be alive. General rule of film.

I also doubt it matters all that much whether electro was a popular villain or not. Not like people won't see this movie anyway.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well one outcome of the Spider-Verse is that Peter Parker and Spider-Man could easily appear at the same time which would debunk the claim that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. But then it would have to be Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man because Andrew Garfield is taller than Tom Holland.

 

[Arachnerd]

Well Electro could still be alive. His death is easy reversible. DOC Ock could have survived too. The green goblin from Spiderman 1 is totally dead though.

Well, I don't exactly see how Doc Ock can come back what with drowning and his mechanical arms shutting down into the bottom of the river.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well, I don't exactly see how Doc Ock can come back what with drowning and his mechanical arms shutting down into the bottom of the river.

If no body is found, its much easier to come up with an excuse. or they won't come up with one and just go with the no body, no dead thing.

 

[Arachnerd]

Ehhh, thing is we did see the body. He was already dead in that shot sinking into the river. Bringing him back after that would feel very forced to me unless Molina came back to play an alternate Doc Ock.

 

[Schlosser85]

Give someone else a chance to be Doc Ock instead of contrived multiverse resurrections.

 

[venom892]

While Molina's Doc Ock remains my favorite on screen Spidey villain, his story much like Dafoe's GG was completed. If there is a villain I'd like to see from Raimi trilogy is Sandman in a similar story to the comics, where he is blackmailed into Sinister Six. The film Sinister Six could be closer to the classic line up than many anticipated.

 

[Arachnerd]

I wouldn't mind Thomas Haden Church returning. He's the only villain who's arc felt incomplete to me.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I would love to see Molina return not as SM2 Ock, but a new version. One much more evil and based more around the Master Planner version of the character. But yeah, keep SM2 Ock dead.

 

[Spider-Fan]

What's Tony Stark going to have done to Electro for this version?

You say this, but in Electro's first appearance, he was stealing from Stark Industries

 

[GuestStar2004]

To be fair if they do a spiderverse movie what makes you think any of the villains would get an arc? To revisit all these things probably wouldn't allow full-fledged arcs for the villains.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'd rather they closed off Holland's story arc with a third movie, whilst using it to set up a potential 'Spider-Verse' movie.

I mean, I'm sure it'll happen but I hope they aren't just pushing this out there to clip WB/DC's wings with their MULTIVERSE BATMEN in 'The Flash'.

I don’t think this is or ever was the plan. Sony wants to have Tom Holland appear in stuff like a Venom crossover or possibly that Kraven film. Possibly more also. They were never going to send him off into the sunset with a complete arc. They will exploit and use Holland as long as it brings them that sweet $$$$$$

 

[Spider-Fan]

To be fair if they do a spiderverse movie what makes you think any of the villains would get an arc? bringing villains together is more or less for the cool factor. not the development.

I don’t agree with this. Yeah, not all of them will get arcs, but some villains will have more prominence than others. Even in a team up like an Avengers film, multiple heroes have arcs. Films are best if the villain or villains do as well. So you need at least like 2 of them to have some form of arc IMO. If you are concerned about quality and not just BO that is.

 

[Steyin]

I think a telling piece of info towards the Spider-verse will be if we hear anything about Madame Web development/casting, if they are planning on using her as a bridge like in the 90s cartoon. Perhaps Strange will be tasked with the MCU multi-verse at large, but Madame Web will serve as the anchor for the Sony Spider-verse.

 

[Schlosser85]

I don’t think this is or ever was the plan. Sony wants to have Tom Holland appear in stuff like a Venom crossover or possibly that Kraven film. Possibly more also. They were never going to send him off into the sunset with a complete arc. They will exploit and use Holland as long as it brings them that sweet $$$$$$

Sony's going to run Holland's Spidey into the ground and Holland deserves better than what he's gotten and what he's probably going to get moving forward.

 

[Lenny Jako]

Remember that Batman vs superman was announced before Civil War, and the directors of winter soldier and Civil War originally had different ideas for a 3rd captain america that did not happen because of Civil War. So yeah its possible they heard about The Flash and said lets do it first.

Remember when Spider-verse came out in 2018

Remember when Strange Multiverse was announced long before Augst 2020 and Batman

Remember when Fox had X-Men rights

Remember how your goal is to throw ahade at successful franchise always because you don't like it.

remember remember remember. I remember from the X boards long ago. Still same goals.