No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Original Discussion Thread

[Spider-Fan]

Doctor Strange could start filming in 3 week and we have seen during pandemic how schehule can change or be flipped. Eternals.

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They are not going to move Doctor Strange 2 up. If anything, it would be moved back cause of the pandemic. Spider-Man could very well move, but that is ultimately up to Sony. They are the distributor, but even so at this time it is before. Meaning, the script and such will basically be locked. Even if it moves, they won't add a bunch of Easter eggs to either Doctor Strange or Spider-Man to tie them together. If they're tied together, they would have to be already scripted that way.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If they already know they are touching on the multi-verse in this new era. then it wouldn't matter what films come first. Its more about what we see and what they do with the concept.

 

[venom892]

I think Wandavision might kick this whole thing off. Scarlet Witch is clearly messing with reality and doing so might cause a tear, which gets the attention of Dr. Strange and kicks off their journey through the multiverse. Electro and others might be transferred between universes unintentionally.

 

[Lenny Jako]

They are not going to move Doctor Strange 2 up. If anything, it would be moved back cause of the pandemic. Spider-Man could very well move, but that is ultimately up to Sony. They are the distributor, but even so at this time it is before. Meaning, the script and such will basically be locked. Even if it moves, they won't add a bunch of Easter eggs to either Doctor Strange or Spider-Man to tie them together. If they're tied together, they would have to be already scripted that way.

Strange is good to go too and should have been filming already. Its not like its planned 6 months, a year later after Spider-Man 3 release, just 3 months. Remember these schedule are not scientific either. Studios are just punting ball down field for next best available date and territorial claim from other studio, then go from there, so that needs to be applied here to the reasoning. Also we don't know how much exposition of potential multiverse will be done in Spider-Man 3 if it is first. Unless we get more information, it's difficult to assume anything. I'm not looking to be right but I hope I'm right and all evidince to date in various projects seems to point to setting up a multiverse.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Strange is good to go too and should have been filming already. Its not like its planned 6 months, a year later after Spider-Man 3 release, just 3 months. Remember these schedule are not scientific either. Studios are just punting ball down field for next best available date and territorial claim from other studio, then go from there, so that needs to be applied here to the reasoning. Also we don't know how much exposition of potential multiverse will be done in Spider-Man 3 if it is first. Unless we get more information, it's difficult to assume anything. I'm not looking to be right but I hope I'm right and all evidince to date in various projects seems to point to setting up a multiverse.

But if it was essential to have seen Doctor Strange 2 before Spider-Man 3, it would already be scheduled after. They wouldn't have delayed Civil War until after Black Panther or Homecoming had opened already for example. Delaying CW would have delayed those movies. Same can be said of Endgame and FFH. They wouldn't just drop a movie that needs the context provided in CW first. The fact that it is currently not tells me seeing DS2 before SM3 is not essential. Does that mean no multiverse elements are in SM3? No, there could be. But what I do know is SM3 won't need DS2 to be understood. Wandavision effecting it would be more likely. But even there, I think continuing the Sinister Six plot will be what happens.

 

[Chris B]

I'm reserving final judgement until we know more, but I'm just not sure what to think of this. If Foxx is playing a new version of Electro exclusive to the MCU, I'll keep an open mind. As others have pointed out ASM2 didn't do the guy an favor so I could see the case for him getting another chance.

In regards to him possibly reprising the same character from ASM2 and them doing a Spider-Verse film of some sort then I'm skeptical.

I'm not interested in seeing that rendition of the character again, and given the ending of Far From Home, a Spider-Verse story doesn't feel like a natural progression.

 

[GuestStar2004]

and given the ending of Far From Home, a Spider-Verse story doesn't feel like a natural progression.

I ain't sure there is alot you can do with everyone finding out he is Spider-man. does he really need to wear the suit if people know he is the guy under the mask? its a complicated idea that doesn't really suit film 3 unless you plan on ending his story there. it does need a reset button really.

No one thought they would handle the Aunt may thing the way they did with away from Home. you suddenly jump from that cliff hanger to Bye Aunt may I'm off on a school trip!

 

[Chris B]

I ain't sure there is alot you can do with everyone finding out he is Spider-man. does he really need to wear the suit if people know he is the guy under the mask?

No one thought they would handle the Aunt may thing the way they did with away from Home. you suddenly jump from that cliff hanger to ok Aunt may im off on a school trip!

I mean there is the matter of him having to clear his name. Not to mention the ramifications of Peter being outed as Spider-Man. I'm not really sure that the Aunt May reveal at the end of Homecoming is really comparable.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I ain't sure there is alot you can do with everyone finding out he is Spider-man. does he really need to wear the suit if people know he is the guy under the mask? its a complicated idea that doesn't really suit film 3 unless you plan on ending his story there. it does need a reset button really.

No one thought they would handle the Aunt may thing the way they did with away from Home. you suddenly jump from that cliff hanger to ok Bye Aunt may I'm off on a school trip!

Aunt May finding out and literally the world finding out are 2 entirely different things. I didn't think the Aunt May thing would be the primary focus of the sequel. I did think it would impact the movie more than it did, but I never thought the movie would hinge in it. The public knowing who he is is not as easily glossed over.

Now, could it be a minor plot point? Maybe, but even if it is a minor issue in the movie, going from FFH to a giant multiverse extravaganza just feels off.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I mean there is the matter of him having to clear his name. Not to mention the ramifications of Peter being outed as Spider-Man. I'm not really sure that the Aunt May reveal at the end of Homecoming is really comparable.

But who are we kidding? Marvel doesn't put that much thought into the Spider-man movies. tell me something they took time to explore and didn't just hand it to Peter parker to make it quick or put thought into a decision thats not just it happened now moving on? what pathos have they really took time with beyond Tony Stark being his mentor?

Fans keep expecting pathos. and always hope the next film will be the one where Marvel stops and says ok we need to take our time with this... but where have we seen Marvel do that with Spider-man? and why would we expect that to happen now?

The idea of everyone knowing he is Spider-man sounds interesting... but will they really want to do that? beyond maybe half hour of movie before it gets boring to find new comedic ways to explore it? I don't believe for one moment it will be treated as serious.

 

[Lenny Jako]

But if it was essential to have seen Doctor Strange 2 before Spider-Man 3, it would already be scheduled after. They wouldn't have delayed Civil War until after Black Panther or Homecoming had opened already for example. Delaying CW would have delayed those movies. Same can be said of Endgame and FFH. They wouldn't just drop a movie that needs the context provided in CW first. The fact that it is currently not tells me seeing DS2 before SM3 is not essential. Does that mean no multiverse elements are in SM3? No, there could be. But what I do know is SM3 won't need DS2 to be understood. Wandavision effecting it would be more likely. But even there, I think continuing the Sinister Six plot will be what happens.

True, but if each movie is potential puzzle piece in the multiverse, we don't know how big a piece each movie or show will be. Who knows to what degree the pandemic has made them tweak things, rearranging things. So Spider-Man 3 could continue the story from FFH with Foxx Electro, but WandaVision may have planted seeds for audience for what is potentally happening or why he's there. While Strange gives SM3 greater context and whose story deals directly with the concept -idea of the multiverse itself. The concept adds another element of intrigue to WV and SM3 which then adds to Strange. They build full picture of each other.

 

[venom892]

One of the things I really don't like about the current series is it doesn't have the emotional weight of the Raimi films. May finding out was played for laughs at the end of Homecoming and then completely combed by in Far From Home. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony/Marvel just wanted a holy s**t moment for the after-credits of the last film and never really had a solid plan to follow it up.

 

[spideyfan77]

Isnt it kinda strange that a spidey film doesnt have a whole subsection in the forum for the movie? Normally spidey films would have multiple threads discussing things about the film(soundtrack, actors, potential plots, villains, etc.)

I mean the amazing movies had them long before the movies came out. The batman forum is huge for the film.....

 

[Spider-Fan]

True, but if each movie is potential puzzle piece in the multiverse, we don't know how big a piece each movie or show will be. Who knows to what degree the pandemic has made them tweak things, rearranging things. So Spider-Man 3 could continue the story from FFH with Foxx Electro, but WandaVision may have planted seeds for audience for what is potentally happening or why he's there. While Strange gives SM3 greater context and whose story deals directly with the concept -idea of the multiverse itself. The concept adds another element of intrigue to WV and SM3 which then adds to Strange. They build full picture of each other.

While I don't think this is a multiverse thing, let's say for the sake of argument this is the result of the multiverse. For the purpose of this debate. I think if Spider-Man has multiverse elements, then it will build off Wandavision. I don't think DS2 will matter much at all to SM3. DS will prob fix whatever issue begins in Wandavision. I think basically, the puzzle would be Electro and maybe some Venomverse stuff are thrust into the MCU cause of that. Maybe they bring back Dafoe as Osborn or Molina as Ock also. I mean, we are getting Electro, so why not at that point. I don't think the next Spider-Man is going to be a full on Spiderverse thing regardless if Electro is TASM2 Electro or not. I think SM3 is still gonna have to deal with the Sinister Six build up mainly. It is what they have been developing for 2 films already. I think Marvel wants the classic SS line-up, which is why Electro is coming back.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony/Marvel just wanted a holy s**t moment for the after-credits of the last film and never really had a solid plan to follow it up.

Didn't the director straight up say there was no plan for where it was heading?

And really its not the first time marvel used the 3rd film of a trilogy for a cross over either.

 

[venom892]

Didn't the director straight up say there was no plan for where it was heading?

And really its not the first time marvel used the 3rd film of a trilogy for a cross over either.

If so, I wasn't aware. Sony has always been a follower, not a leader since Raimi left the series. TASM tried to be darker in chasing TDK's success and then they tried to chase Avengers success with TASM2. Now that Spiderverse has won an oscar and DC is going full multiverse, Sony is doing what it does best, being a follower.

 

[Dark Raven]

If they're using Electro again, I don't want that blue- skinned hooded version. It's already been poorly received. Give us Electro in the green and yellow costume with the lightning mask.

 

[Spidey_62]

One of the things I really don't like about the current series is it doesn't have the emotional weight of the Raimi films. May finding out was played for laughs at the end of Homecoming and then completely combed by in Far From Home. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony/Marvel just wanted a holy s**t moment for the after-credits of the last film and never really had a solid plan to follow it up.

I remember voicing my concerns over that when the FFH trailers were coming out and people kept telling me "don't worry they won't just play it for laughs you'll see."

May finding out and the rest of the world finding out are two pretty huge beats you should use to their fullest on film. The emotional story where Peter and May talk about it for an issue was ripe for adaptation and they totally didn't do anything with it after a gag ending.

People tell me now "don't worry he'll start acting a bit less wide-eyed now that he's really getting dragged through the mud, he'll start showing that chip-on-the-shoulder Peter's always had soon you'll see." I'd like to believe it but given his handling so far I'm not really confident in them doing much exciting stuff in the way of development.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

I love Holland as Peter Parker/Spider-Man, but I couldn't agree more with the points made by venom892 and Spidey_62. As outdated as the Raimi films are and as much as I don't like Spider-Man 3 those movies definitely had more emotional weight and Maguire's Peter Parker actually grew and became more developed after each film despite the early 2000's in your face campiness that each of them had.

I really don't understand why Sony and Disney just don't want to character to grow up or have a good majority of what should be big, serious moments played for laughs. I know people had a lot of issues with the humor in Homecoming, but man Far From Home so much worse IMO and what made it even more annoying was that the stakes were supposed to be much higher than Homecoming, but it never felt like it to me honestly.

That kind of writing is just weak and lazy to me and sadly I don't expect it to change for the third film either, because why would they? It's a shame because after watching films like The Devil All the Time I can see Holland handling the darker and more serious elements of the character with complete ease, but I doubt those studios are going to let it happen anytime soon if even ever with this iteration of the character.

 

[Everett Ross]

 

[spideyfan77]

Spider-verse is coming. He posted a pic of it. Not sure why he wouldnt be blue though. That is weird...

 

[Spidey_62]

Party like it's 2014 again. Time to light my candles, baby!

 

[spideyfan77]

I really hope garfield is back. Please bring back garfield!

 

[Spidey_62]

Jamie Foxx confirmed on his Instagram he won't be blue again. Higher chance it's a JJJ case now where he's playing a different version of Electro. Still really bizarre, still can't believe this, still oddly excited about it haha.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The fact he won't be blue again has me leaning toward same actor new character.