No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Original Discussion Thread

[Toomes' Phone]

I wouldn't be surprised if Electro isn't the only villain. Foxx's casting may be the first of the new bads.

Then again, there's nothing to say Keaton and Gyllenhaal won't return as villains along with Foxx .

If they're going with the trilogy like arch , it would make sense for Vulture and Mysterio to at least make an appearance in 3 to pick up hanging threads from SMHC and SMFFH.

I think that works. Also Electro might not be the only villain, but I still think he could be the main one.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I’m not assuming. Just speculating based on available info. I still think introducing the Spider-Verse and Sinister Six all in full is a lot for one movie, regardless of Ragnarok. Watts ain’t no Waititi.

I got my own gut feeling of what this might cover...

Here me out...

We are gonna see Uncle Ben. The "villains" in this are going to be besides the point in terms of conflict.

What I think we are gonna get:

Spoiler

Based on ZERO evidence outside of the inclusion of Dr. Strange... We are going to get a mostly in name only gloss on the One More Day storyline, similar to Capatain America: Civil War. The big broad strokes will be there but it won't ape the comic book beat for beat in any way.

Again... Just speculating but I think that with the way the last film left off they probably want to put the genie back in the bottle, on top of trying to win some of the most vocal Spidey fans back who still are upset at some aspects of MCU Spidey, a big one being the lack of Ben. Sooooo... We last left Pete with his identity public, just starting his first serious relationship and finally getting over the shadow cast by Tony Stark. How it happens doesn't matter, likely through "magic", but Pete makes a decision to alter reality, a choice presented by some nefarious force, basically what Mephisto was in the comic story. Want your life to go back to the way it was? Want Aunt May to not have to be harassed all the time? Want to keep your friends safe from retribution from villains you've made enemies of? Sign the dotted line to get your life back the way it was before you were Spider-Man. This removes Spidey from the MCU timeline during the film's middle portion let's say. How do we do this? Stop Uncle Ben from dying, duh? So the powerful baddie for their own reason do just that. Now Pete has Ben back, we get to see them interact, along with what the relationship between Ben and May was like in the MCU.

So what's the big drama of this story? Obviously Pete has to make a decision that would change things back to the way they were and consign Ben to his fate. It can work out any number of ways anyone could put together from those pieces. Peter tells Ben about how the world should be and to put it back and thwart the bad guy(s) Ben of course dutifully does what we expect and sacrifices himself. Or... Not exactly that but one which still ends more or less in the same place.

Thus... The need to give some shine to Doctor Strange who will be Peter's big helper but not be the one that has to fight the most important battle in Peter's heart.

Something like that would be a good capstone for the trilogy I think. It would certainly placate the fans who have been very vocal about the MCU Spidey's lack of Ben and it would even in a way redeem that dumb story from the comics by having a decent adapation. Win-win all around.

And yes... Please Kevin F. cast Tom Hanks as Ben!!!!

Again... Spitballing based on the most thinnest of hunches.

 

[Spidey_62]

I got my own gut feeling of what this might cover...

Here me out...

We are gonna see Uncle Ben. The "villains" in this are going to be besides the point in terms of conflict.

What I think we are gonna get:

Spoiler

Based on ZERO evidence outside of the inclusion of Dr. Strange... We are going to get a mostly in name only gloss on the One More Day storyline, similar to Capatain America: Civil War. The big broad strokes will be there but it won't ape the comic book beat for beat in any way.

Again... Just speculating but I think that with the way the last film left off they probably want to put the genie back in the bottle, on top of trying to win some of the most vocal Spidey fans back who still are upset at some aspects of MCU Spidey, a big one being the lack of Ben. Sooooo... We last left Pete with his identity public, just starting his first serious relationship and finally getting over the shadow cast by Tony Stark. How it happens doesn't matter, likely through "magic", but Pete makes a decision to alter reality, a choice presented by some nefarious force, basically what Mephisto was in the comic story. Want your life to go back to the way it was? Want Aunt May to not have to be harassed all the time? Want to keep your friends safe from retribution from villains you've made enemies of? Sign the dotted line to get your life back the way it was before you were Spider-Man. This removes Spidey from the MCU timeline during the film's middle portion let's say. How do we do this? Stop Uncle Ben from dying, duh? So the powerful baddie for their own reason do just that. Now Pete has Ben back, we get to see them interact, along with what the relationship between Ben and May was like in the MCU.

So what's the big drama of this story? Obviously Pete has to make a decision that would change things back to the way they were and consign Ben to his fate. It can work out any number of ways anyone could put together from those pieces. Peter tells Ben about how the world should be and to put it back and thwart the bad guy(s) Ben of course dutifully does what we expect and sacrifices himself. Or... Not exactly that but one which still ends more or less in the same place.

Thus... The need to give some shine to Doctor Strange who will be Peter's big helper but not be the one that has to fight the most important battle in Peter's heart.

Something like that would be a good capstone for the trilogy I think. It would certainly placate the fans who have been very vocal about the MCU Spidey's lack of Ben and it would even in a way redeem that dumb story from the comics by having a decent adapation. Win-win all around.

And yes... Please Kevin F. cast Tom Hanks as Ben!!!!

Again... Spitballing based on the most thinnest of hunches.

That would be nice, something similar happened in ASM #500, and Doctor Strange was guiding him along through that scenario as well. But since it sounds so nice and emotionally resonant, I doubt it will happen.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

That would be nice, something similar happened in ASM #500, and Doctor Strange was guiding him along through that scenario as well. But since it sounds so nice and emotionally resonant, I doubt it will happen.

That's one of my fave J. Michael Straczynski issues.

 

[Sawyer]

I feel like Marvel has done the Netflix shows so dirty, but that would be nice to see.

 

[Spidey_62]

I feel like Marvel has done the Netflix shows so dirty, but that would be nice to see.

Jamie Foxx from Amazing Spider-Man 2 gets another day in the sun but Kingpin from Netflix's Daredevil is somehow a harder sell for them haha.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Netflix Daredevil was actually GOOD though. Unlike Jamie Foxx Electro. I would be MUCH more into Kingpin being in the movie than cake boy.

 

[Nardz937]

The fans: Bring back Charlie Cox!

Marvel: They said they wanted Jaime Foxx.

I really don't understand why they wouldn't bring back Cox and D'Onofrio. The Kingpin is a top 5 all-time Spider-Man villain and outside of the F4, Daredevil is probably the superhero I love most seeing interact with Spider-Man in the comics.

When I did my massive binge of the ASM run a few years ago, the team-ups and run-ins with Daredevil are some of the ones that stick the most with me.

 

[Toomes' Phone]

I don't think it'd hurt if a member of the S6 were female. Maybe Silver Sable or a female Doc Ock. what do you guys think?

 

[Eggyman]

I don't think it'd hurt if a member of the S6 were female. Maybe Silver Sable or a female Doc Ock. what do you guys think?

Don't think Sable suits being in the six but would be up for Lady Ock if there's no chance Molina is coming back.

 

[TonyStank1]

Here’s how I think the story may go down. Just speculation so could be wildly off.

After his identity is revealed to the world, Peter tries to get help from his Avengers pals, but nearly all are too busy to assist except for Doctor Strange. But Strange is unwilling to want to get out there and help as he is not quite himself. He has turned to alcohol to deal with his depression over basically putting Tony Stark in the position he did to sacrifice his life.
Electro from an alternate world enters through the Quantum Realm into this world to basically protect (You heard that right) Spider-Man from the growing Sinister Six that’s forming. He despises Spidey but in his world, he killed Spider-Man. But things got escalated into an unforeseen threat that will destroy his universe. Spider-Man agrees to go with Electro on the condition he can use the extra Pym particles to fix things that Mysterio wrecked.
But Electro’s story is not accurate and he lured Spidey into the portal at the request from another Mysterio who foresaw Spider-Man proving his innocence and ruining his plans in all realities.
Doctor Strange will save the day and bring him back in time to set things right.

What do you guys think? Sorry if it was too long

 

[Venom 1988]

I got my own gut feeling of what this might cover...

Here me out...

We are gonna see Uncle Ben. The "villains" in this are going to be besides the point in terms of conflict.

What I think we are gonna get:

Spoiler

Based on ZERO evidence outside of the inclusion of Dr. Strange... We are going to get a mostly in name only gloss on the One More Day storyline, similar to Capatain America: Civil War. The big broad strokes will be there but it won't ape the comic book beat for beat in any way.

Again... Just speculating but I think that with the way the last film left off they probably want to put the genie back in the bottle, on top of trying to win some of the most vocal Spidey fans back who still are upset at some aspects of MCU Spidey, a big one being the lack of Ben. Sooooo... We last left Pete with his identity public, just starting his first serious relationship and finally getting over the shadow cast by Tony Stark. How it happens doesn't matter, likely through "magic", but Pete makes a decision to alter reality, a choice presented by some nefarious force, basically what Mephisto was in the comic story. Want your life to go back to the way it was? Want Aunt May to not have to be harassed all the time? Want to keep your friends safe from retribution from villains you've made enemies of? Sign the dotted line to get your life back the way it was before you were Spider-Man. This removes Spidey from the MCU timeline during the film's middle portion let's say. How do we do this? Stop Uncle Ben from dying, duh? So the powerful baddie for their own reason do just that. Now Pete has Ben back, we get to see them interact, along with what the relationship between Ben and May was like in the MCU.

So what's the big drama of this story? Obviously Pete has to make a decision that would change things back to the way they were and consign Ben to his fate. It can work out any number of ways anyone could put together from those pieces. Peter tells Ben about how the world should be and to put it back and thwart the bad guy(s) Ben of course dutifully does what we expect and sacrifices himself. Or... Not exactly that but one which still ends more or less in the same place.

Thus... The need to give some shine to Doctor Strange who will be Peter's big helper but not be the one that has to fight the most important battle in Peter's heart.

Something like that would be a good capstone for the trilogy I think. It would certainly placate the fans who have been very vocal about the MCU Spidey's lack of Ben and it would even in a way redeem that dumb story from the comics by having a decent adapation. Win-win all around.

And yes... Please Kevin F. cast Tom Hanks as Ben!!!!

Again... Spitballing based on the most thinnest of hunches.

Damn...I actually want this to be the movie now lol. This is a pretty good idea.

 

[Arachnerd]

I got my own gut feeling of what this might cover...

Here me out...

We are gonna see Uncle Ben. The "villains" in this are going to be besides the point in terms of conflict.

What I think we are gonna get:

Spoiler

Based on ZERO evidence outside of the inclusion of Dr. Strange... We are going to get a mostly in name only gloss on the One More Day storyline, similar to Capatain America: Civil War. The big broad strokes will be there but it won't ape the comic book beat for beat in any way.

Again... Just speculating but I think that with the way the last film left off they probably want to put the genie back in the bottle, on top of trying to win some of the most vocal Spidey fans back who still are upset at some aspects of MCU Spidey, a big one being the lack of Ben. Sooooo... We last left Pete with his identity public, just starting his first serious relationship and finally getting over the shadow cast by Tony Stark. How it happens doesn't matter, likely through "magic", but Pete makes a decision to alter reality, a choice presented by some nefarious force, basically what Mephisto was in the comic story. Want your life to go back to the way it was? Want Aunt May to not have to be harassed all the time? Want to keep your friends safe from retribution from villains you've made enemies of? Sign the dotted line to get your life back the way it was before you were Spider-Man. This removes Spidey from the MCU timeline during the film's middle portion let's say. How do we do this? Stop Uncle Ben from dying, duh? So the powerful baddie for their own reason do just that. Now Pete has Ben back, we get to see them interact, along with what the relationship between Ben and May was like in the MCU.

So what's the big drama of this story? Obviously Pete has to make a decision that would change things back to the way they were and consign Ben to his fate. It can work out any number of ways anyone could put together from those pieces. Peter tells Ben about how the world should be and to put it back and thwart the bad guy(s) Ben of course dutifully does what we expect and sacrifices himself. Or... Not exactly that but one which still ends more or less in the same place.

Thus... The need to give some shine to Doctor Strange who will be Peter's big helper but not be the one that has to fight the most important battle in Peter's heart.

Something like that would be a good capstone for the trilogy I think. It would certainly placate the fans who have been very vocal about the MCU Spidey's lack of Ben and it would even in a way redeem that dumb story from the comics by having a decent adapation. Win-win all around.

And yes... Please Kevin F. cast Tom Hanks as Ben!!!!

Again... Spitballing based on the most thinnest of hunches.

This is really good... but at this point I have no indication to believe they care at all about Uncle Ben to suddenly make his presence resonant within Peter or the story, much less with an actual direct mention, so I'm very skeptical. We'll probably just get another blink-and-you'll-miss-it easter egg that achieves nothing.

 

[GuestStar2004]

A big part of MCU spiderman is the Comedy. Just watch FFH. Its not gonna be switched up for anything too deep.

 

[venom892]

Yea, this isn't all of a sudden going to be a deeper franchise. I mean eventually the Potter films matured with it's audience, but the effort to make Spider-Man more lighthearted, fun and immature was widespread through all of Marvel's efforts(comics, cartoons, etc) until about 2018 with the trifecta of Spencer's ASM run/PS4 Game and Spiderverse. I do agree, I don't think Foxx will be the only villain. Main villain, yes, but not only. I'd like for them to pull the trigger on Scorpion already. he'd make for a nice supplemental villain. I think this also the perfect place to introduce Spider Slayers.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think the only reason it feels like electro will be the main villain is because the news of the negotiations for Jamie Foxx got out. it gives off the impression that he is the most important villain.

But then if you want a main villain, why would they go back to electro rather than a new one who has yet to be used? and why Electro? it just seems more likely he is part of a much bigger puzzel rather than being the main lead of that puzzel.

Its like if tomorrow we heard keaton is coming back for Spider-man 3 we would then be talking about how HE is the main villain. its just we haven't heard all the information yet to know where this is going.

 

[Filmfreak]

Yeah I don't see him becoming the main villain again so soon.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think the only reason it feels like electro will be the main villain is because the news of the negotiations for Jamie Foxx got out. it gives off the impression that he is the most important villain.

But then if you want a main villain, why would they go back to electro rather than a new one who has yet to be used? and why Electro? it just seems more likely he is part of a much bigger puzzel rather than being the main lead of that puzzel.

Its like if tomorrow we heard keaton is coming back for Spider-man 3 we would then be talking about how HE is the main villain. its just we haven't heard all the information yet to know where this is going.

I agree he likely is not the only villain. Yeah we are missing puzzle pieces. Even if he is not the main though, he will likely have a sizable role. I do not see much they can do to even out him being a significant part of the movie.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

So do we all think Toby and Andrew will return?

 

[Iceman]

I wouldn't be surprised if Electro isn't the only villain. Foxx's casting may be the first of the new bads.

Then again, there's nothing to say Keaton and Gyllenhaal won't return as villains along with Foxx .

If they're going with the trilogy like arch , it would make sense for Vulture and Mysterio to at least make an appearance in 3 to pick up hanging threads from SMHC and SMFFH.

If they are getting a bunch of villains together it would feel like a waste to not include 2 big talents that have already been introduced. I hope we see more of Keaton and Gyllenhaal.

 

[Arachnerd]

So do we all think Toby and Andrew will return?

It's up in the air at this point, but with Spider-Verse seeming more and more likely, I'd say it's 95% possible.

 

[Albright]

I do want Spiderman remaining the lighthearted Franchise on the MCU - at least until he graduated.
Those movies are fun to watch, like a vacattion movie.
I was hoping for a Christmas setting, because its release will be in December and filming will be in the same month

 

[Ricardo Brown]

Which is totally valid. But I think what's also important is we're getting great Spider-Man movies again after the disastrous ASM movies. Are there changes I'd like Disney/Marvel and Sony to make, new directions I'd like for this version of Peter Parker to go? Of course. But I'm satisfied enough with what we've got that I really don't mind if things stay the way they are.

The first TASM was far from being disastrous, no matter how you feel about it. While I'm too not the biggest fan of that film, it got good critical reception and was a box office success, and also gave Andrew his own fanbase, although a smaller one that Holland's and Tobey's, so it definitely wasn't a failure. I also wouldn't say we're getting great Spider-Man movies now. Homecoming, while being a terrible Spider-Man adaptation, was a good film, but not great. But FFH is the probably the dumbest Spider-Man film with the laziest-written script I've ever seen. I've no idea how can anything as hideous as this abomination can be considered great at anything. But just like with TASM, I can't call it a failure, because somehow it also got good reception from critics and audience and made over a billion at the box office.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

That would be nice, something similar happened in ASM #500, and Doctor Strange was guiding him along through that scenario as well. But since it sounds so nice and emotionally resonant, I doubt it will happen.

I think this is the biggest reason why I'm down in this current adaptation. There's no tension. No consequence. And above all, no emotional resonance.

Spider-Man isn't about action, or fun or flashy stuff...Spider-Man is about DRAMA. That's what made his comics so successful and continues to be successful today. It's about the characters and their relationships.

There's a great quote from Jim Shooter. If you're not aware of who he is, he was once a writer for DC back in the day and eventually worked for Marvel as EIC in the 80s and led what was probably the best era for Marvel outside of what Stan/Jack/Steve/John did in the 60s. Anyway, while working at DC back in the early 60s he remembers being pulled into a meeting with a slew of other writers and artists and their supervisor was at the front of the room holding up a Spider-Man comic. He said the guy opened up the comic and asked how was this comic beating them in sales. He said, "look, this is 2 whole pages of this guy just talking with his Aunt." Jim said they were confused because they kept looking for the gimmick.

And in my humble opinion, the MCU is making the same error.

Netflix Daredevil was actually GOOD though. Unlike Jamie Foxx Electro. I would be MUCH more into Kingpin being in the movie than cake boy.

Yes but I hope this time he actually gets a chance to light his candles.

 

[Ricardo Brown]

Spoiler

Wow, Jacob Batalon been busy during quarantine