Comics Spider-man Reign

[Dangerous]

It wasn't his radioactive blood that poisoned her. It was his radioactive man juice that did it.

I did not say blood, I said-

Her being exhumed then us learning that Peter poisoned her w/ his radioactive body.

 

[Dangerous]

Heck, it happened wayyyyyy back in the day to Aunt May. It was part of the Doc Ock "Master Planner" arc.

I'm just talking about the fact that by this point Uncle Ben, Gwen, Harry plus MJ are dead through un-natural means.

 

[Venom Drool]

how is his poisoning her tacky? it makes sense and i dont beleive that angle has been explored before. making him responsable for someone's death seems to be a natural thing in spidey books. thats why he is such a tragic hero. whatever your complaints are in regards to MJ, i think are misplaced. perhaps the art malfunction on venom's head... but te story itself is very well paced and new.. .original. and yes.. i too am worried about venom somehow ruining this ending.

 

[ihateusernames]

I like the fact he killed her without knowing. It's not tacky at all, they both loved each other, and she was killed because they both loved each other. She didn't blame him for it, it was a mistake that couldn't be helped.
It's tragic and upsetting.

As for Venom ruining the last issue, I really don't know what to expect. This Venom seems a lot smarter because of his host, he was the voice behind the mayor remember, he was the reason the Webb was created. He also kept saying how he's evolved into something more than he was before. We don't know anything yet.

I think spidey's gonna die though, by letting venom eat him so the radiation kills him, or something like that.

 

[Dangerous]

how is his poisoning her tacky? it makes sense and i dont beleive that angle has been explored before. making him responsable for someone's death seems to be a natural thing in spidey books. thats why he is such a tragic hero.

It’s tacky in that the scene were MJ is dug up and then PP has the hallucination of her being all rotted, is horror just for the sake of horror. I think characters like MJ should have their dignity remain intact and that they are not used in scenes like this just for the sake of it being gruesome.
It’s also tacky because so many of the people PP has been close to over the years have been killed,
it just gets to the point where the never ending tragedy becomes a clichéd bore.

whatever your complaints are in regards to MJ, i think are misplaced.

Boy that’s real insightful.

perhaps the art malfunction on venom's head... but te story itself is very well paced and new.. .original. and yes.. i too am worried about venom somehow ruining this ending.

This story is far from new or original.

It is a regurgitated version of DKR w/ Spidey instead of Batman, only here KA seems to think making the story as depressing as hell is the best way to distinguish itself from its main inspiration.
Personally I’m not worried about Venom ruining the ending, as apart from the (mostly) appealing art, I’m finding Reign to be quite a let down. It just does not have that ‘Spider-man feel’ to it.
Heh, sorry if that was too much to ask of a Spider-man story in 2007..

 

[DACrowe]

I don't see how it is "tacky," either. It is a really interesting twist. He didn't kill her because he snapped her neck or the cliche of a villain killed a love one trick. Instead he poisioned her. I thought it was tragic and depressingly "realistic" for lack of a better word.

And I think Jameson ahs been usesd marvelously well and the people uprising against the system. Even Venom, who I usually odn't like after his early stories has been used surprisingly fresh and well in this.

Now it may not be a "calssic Spidey story," but it isn't trying to be. Depressing is a change of pace but it is more importantly a good story that asks dark and cruel questions that the regular titles are too scared to touch. And it handles the message or thesis of Civil War as its background MUCH BETTER than that tripe. Just a well written (not sure about the art however) Spidey tale going places never seen before.

And for that I think it will be much appreciated in the future after it becomes a graphic novel. I don't mind this going for something much darker than ever seen though.

 

[ihateusernames]

At first I didn't like the art, but now it's kinda grown on me.

 

[Venom Drool]

It’s tacky in that the scene were MJ is dug up and then PP has the hallucination of her being all rotted, is horror just for the sake of horror. I think characters like MJ should have their dignity remain intact and that they are not used in scenes like this just for the sake of it being gruesome.
It’s also tacky because so many of the people PP has been close to over the years have been killed,
it just gets to the point where the never ending tragedy becomes a clichéd bore.



Boy that’s real insightful.



This story is far from new or original.

It is a regurgitated version of DKR w/ Spidey instead of Batman, only here KA seems to think making the story as depressing as hell is the best way to distinguish itself from its main inspiration.
Personally I’m not worried about Venom ruining the ending, as apart from the (mostly) appealing art, I’m finding Reign to be quite a let down. It just does not have that ‘Spider-man feel’ to it.
Heh, sorry if that was too much to ask of a Spider-man story in 2007..

dont take everything so personal first off..

the horror was in his mind.. she is dead.. realistically..is she's dug up.. shes just bones and wtv parts of her body that havent deteriorated yet.. in this case.. her signature red hair. in a spidey title..the idea of radioactive blood has only been explored as killing someone is a lot of jokes about the character. its DKResque.. very true but the story is not following the same pace really. its a fallen hero who needs to be rebuilt. the essence of spidey isn't lost. great power.. responsabiity...all that is still there... te idea that he kills everything he's near is very true of his life in 616.

wtv. in the end. its a great book for me:heart:

 

[Dangerous]

I know the MJ zombie sequence was in his head.
Reign might feature PP being guilt ridden and wishing he had done things in his life differently but that’s not enuf to make it read like SM comic. The tone of the story is so grim that it seems to suck all possible fun out of it.

Spidey is supposed to be all lightness and jokes when he's in a fight, even tho he tried this in #2 against the Sinister Six it did not work in lifting my spirits and make me feel like it was Spidey, and I'm talking about before he started getting his ass kicked. I find it really interesting to read, just that for a Spider-man tale it seems off the mark. KLH is way better, that’s a dark psychological story that still manages to encapsulate PP/SM.

 

[Won '08]

Spider-Man was never about Fun 24/7.

Spidey is not supposed to be "light hearted".

I mean for christ sakes the first issue he ever appeared in his uncle was MURDERED. Spider-Man's personality trait of being a joker is a reflection of his ingenuity AND fear. He spits jokes to keep his enemies off balance as well as to hide his nervousness.

Honestly dude, since you came around in 04 you've been dollying up this whole idea that Spidey comics should have a "light hearted feel" to them.

Why?

 

[Dangerous]

Spider-Man was never about Fun 24/7.
Spidey is not supposed to be "light hearted".

I did not say he was supposed to be fun 24/7, just that the fights he has are sometimes supposed to be the bits that raise your spirits and are fun to read, but never frikkin depressing w/ all of Spidey’s usual sparkle sucked dry like in Reign. I was highlighting the fights in Reign because since the rest of the book is so grim you would think some relief would come from this area.

Spidey making fun of his enemies and this being fun to read is a hallmark of Spidey comics, since nothing in Reign so far really captures any established cornerstones of SM comics it does not read like a Spider-man comic, capiche?

Spider-man himself is far from light hearted, he is driven by guilt that’s why he does what he does, but in classic Spider-man- Stan Lee, Roger Stern, Paul Jenkins etc, the guys that really captured who Spidey is, the fights have often been the area where PP/SM gets to have some fun w/ his enemies.

I mean for christ sakes the first issue he ever appeared in his uncle was MURDERED. Spider-Man's personality trait of being a joker is a reflection of his ingenuity AND fear. He spits jokes to keep his enemies off balance as well as to hide his nervousness.

He also used to rap w/ them because he was badass and he was sometimes having a good time and enjoyed beating up on them a bit to work his own frustrations and stresses out.

Honestly dude, since you came around in 04 you've been dollying up this whole idea that Spidey comics should have a "light hearted feel" to them.

Why?

You have clearly misinterpreted some of the areas I have previously talked about.
Those being- SM should sometimes be light hearted towards his enemies in battle, because it is his nature to be, and that the story’s should always be fun/entertaining to read.

I've been around much longer than since 04, I've been here since 02 w/ a different handle.
Tho I did not post much and forgot the password eventually.
To date I cannot say I have ascertained a dominant theme in your posts, heh.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

The story isn't depressing, its up lifting, it boils down to who Spider-man is, they guy who loses everything but still goes on, still fights for what is right. That is what he is doing now, despite MJ being dead, Uncle Ben, Aunt May, Gwen and god those who else in the decades seperating this continuity and the 616 he is about to go into battle again because it is right.

That is what Spider-Man is about.

 

[Venomfan]

does anybody have a scan of Juggervenom? i havent been able to get a single issue in this series, its always sold out. do we know if Brock is still Venom?

 

[OctoHaz]

The story isn't depressing, its up lifting, it boils down to who Spider-man is, they guy who loses everything but still goes on, still fights for what is right. That is what he is doing now, despite MJ being dead, Uncle Ben, Aunt May, Gwen and god those who else in the decades seperating this continuity and the 616 he is about to go into battle again because it is right.

That is what Spider-Man is about.

I agree with what you say about Spidey.

...But that's not what we see in Reign. Reign shows us a Spider-Man who has given up, who has given up for years. He and MJ are still pretty young when she dies, and when JJJ finally tracks him down and gives him the black mask, Peter is old. Even then, it takes Doctor freakin' Octopus -- a dead Doc Ock at that, who programmed his tentacles with a last message and task -- to finally drag him out of the pity-mire at the end #3.

There remain a lot of elements I like in this mini. JJJ and Ock in particular. But I'm not particularly impressed with the work as a whole, so far.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

I agree with what you say about Spidey.

...But that's not what we see in Reign. Reign shows us a Spider-Man who has given up, who has given up for years. He and MJ are still pretty young when she dies, and when JJJ finally tracks him down and gives him the black mask, Peter is old. Even then, it takes Doctor freakin' Octopus -- a dead Doc Ock at that, who programmed his tentacles with a last message and task -- to finally drag him out of the pity-mire at the end #3.

There remain a lot of elements I like in this mini. JJJ and Ock in particular. But I'm not particularly impressed with the work as a whole, so far.

But he's out of it isn't he? This is no different than Amazing Spider-Man 50 or the Web of Death Arc, just on a grander scale, by having him give up for years it makes it all the more heroic when he dons the mask again.

 

[Dangerous]

But he's out of it isn't he? This is no different than Amazing Spider-Man 50 or the Web of Death Arc, just on a grander scale, by having him give up for years it makes it all the more heroic when he dons the mask again.

No those comics were not 3 full issues of depressing sludge.
So he smashed out of a coffin at the end of #3 to decide he is going to back to were the action is.
So what?! He did that in #2 and got his ass kicked, what’s the difference?
Until anything different happens in #4, Reign has been one dimensional up till this point and pretty damn unoriginal and clichéd to boot.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

No those comics were not 3 full issues of depressing sludge.

No Web of death was a few months worth spread over two books

So he smashed out of a coffin at the end of #3 to decide he is going to back to were the action is.
So what?! He did that in #2 and got his ass kicked, what’s the difference?

What was he wearingin 2 and now what is he wearing?

 

[DACrowe]

Depressing is not bad. And while Spidey is a character in all mediums it is nice to see him play in the dark once in a while. Just as he doesn't have to be all dark, he doesn't have to be all sunny either though. This is a miniseries that is throwing its hands up in an or nothing fashion. And I like that, a lot.

 

[Nebins]

I like the series so far. Some of it is a bit confusing, the hallucination part, but once you think about it its easy to get. I really enjoy the art and from what I'm gather I'm one of the few who do. I don't like the use of the computer generate backgrounds but overall I like the art. Venom looks odd but this is years later and on a different person so it makes sense that he looks different.

 

[Venom Drool]

i like the idea that spidey isnt a wisecracking jackass all the time quite frankly. and even this is the opposite extreme, i feel it to be a break. the Other arc doesnt really count as it made no real sense. and other writers have made him...stupid. this writer made him old and guilt ridden. but in the last book. hes gonna find his courage. which i think is the essence of spidey.

 

[shinlyle]

No those comics were not 3 full issues of depressing sludge.
So he smashed out of a coffin at the end of #3 to decide he is going to back to were the action is.
So what?! He did that in #2 and got his ass kicked, what’s the difference?
Until anything different happens in #4, Reign has been one dimensional up till this point and pretty damn unoriginal and clichéd to boot.

Unoriginal? It's followed and paralleled Spidey's career, and it's re-examined his motivations on top of becoming a totally different tale from DKR, which we all feared it would rip-off every step of the way! The only ways it's similar now is, well, It's in a bleak future, and it has super-people in it. Spdiey isn't going to square off against Thor or Cap, so there goes that comparison.

Personally, I've enjoyed this title immensely, and I think it's honestly going to be one of the most positively embraced and endearing Spider-stories in recent memory. We have Spidey being an actual hero, we have his villians in-character... and we get a really in-depth look at what drives Spider-Man.

So long as the ending doesn't muck it up, it'll be a classic.

 

[Venom Drool]

i fear the ending but looking forward to the cover art

 

[shinlyle]

Well, with most stories, it's the ending of this that will make it tor break it.

Either Peter dies a hero, or Peter lives a hero...those ar ethe only options to make the ending cool.

If he grows foot-long bone claws out of his forearms and eats Venom's head, I'd say it's a safe bet that I will take back anything complimentary that I ever said about this story.

 

[Sugarculted]

Well, with most stories, it's the ending of this that will make it tor break it.

Either Peter dies a hero, or Peter lives a hero...those ar ethe only options to make the ending cool.

If he grows foot-long bone claws out of his forearms and eats Venom's head, I'd say it's a safe bet that I will take back anything complimentary that I ever said about this story.

I lol'd.

I must agree there. Spider-man Reign has been one of the most refreshing reads recently for me

 

[Dangerous]

No Web of death was a few months worth spread over two books



What was he wearingin 2 and now what is he wearing?

Yeah I meant ASM#50.

And so what he is wearing a different costume, that dont make him stronger or anything.