Comics Spider-man Reign

Venom Drool said:
faking it? if annswering that question ruins the ending potentially... then dont answer...you knmow what..dont even read the post. thanks

You've confused me here. People were saying that there are comparisons between Dark Knight Returns and this, so far. Some were even saying it was a blatant rip off. And my post above was merely stating that it would be a blatant rip off if [BLACKOUT]Spidey would die and then it was revealed at the very end he faked his death, just like in Dark Knight Returns.[/BLACKOUT]
 
SpideyInATree said:
You've confused me here. People were saying that there are comparisons between Dark Knight Returns and this, so far. Some were even saying it was a blatant rip off. And my post above was merely stating that it would be a blatant rip off if [blackout]Spidey would die and then it was revealed at the very end he faked his death, just like in Dark Knight Returns.[/blackout]
i think he wants to read DKR and didnt want to have the ending ruined for him
 
crivelliman said:
That is a really good point. I almost completely agree with the book. It's almost as if the Spider-Man character seems like an odd choice to fit into the DKR mold, being that at the source, Spider-Man isn't a dark character. Yes, he's had dark moments, but his own mythology isn't nearly dark enough to warrant the story that surrounded DKR. The story itself is nicely written and, as you said, well drawn. The issue, I think, is that you're basically trying to fit a square piece in a triangle hole. While I was not aware there was a "DKR model," apparently the powers that be are proving its existence with this book.

I did enjoy the moments where "the mask" was like a separate entity, that it shielded Peter Parker from what was going on and allowed "Spider-Man" to take over, though really I think it can be argued that's just like Batman living in Wayne's psyche, calling Wayne weak and, in himself, a "mask." It's an interesting take, switching roles and making the hero the mask, and the true character the weak, uncertain figure, though I wonder if it couldn't be told in other ways that aren't very close to what Miller was doing.

I think also it could be an odd time for this to happen. DKR was a product of what was happening in comics at the time. It was around the time of the Alan Moore's and Neil Gaiman's. And I don't know if you're right about DKR "reinventing the wheel," because I don't think he needed to. The mythology for Batman was all still right there, at the core of the character. The character himself was there. And all the exploitations and room for elaboration and creative license were available, left in the wake of truly crappy stories despite being told with a very lucrative (creatively and financially) character.

This kind of story (yes, this is speculation, but we're all speculating on something with this book at this point) is nothing new. At the surface, it's just a reexamination of the character in a different setting with the odds against him. The only true difference I can see is that three significant women in his life are dead, instead of one. So we ask ourselves if it's really time for a story like this. Is this like DKR because it just looks and feels like it, or is it like DKR because the time calls for a dark Spider-Man story? Are we learning new things about Peter's character that couldn't and aren't being told in any other capacity? Are we seeing Peter Parker at his most desperate, but in a new and exciting (and hopefully, emotionally gripping) way? That will have to be left until issue four, because I won't presume this part this early on. Other things I have no problem with, but this is merely a question tossed out into the ether and waiting to be explored.

Although, I may venture to say "yes." You may notice in the scene when Peter Parker is revisited by "the mask," we're given a page of interactions between Peter Parker / Spider-Man and those who mattered most to him. What separates it from other usual stories is, we know Parker is old and has had time to consider his own responses to those requests or questions posed to him by said significant figures, and we also get a more cynical, desperate answer to those questions. Instead of being a supportive, loving nephew, we see Peter's response to Aunt May's comment that Peter is "her life," is something far less noble, in spite of his uncles tutelage regarding responsibility. "But I don't want to be your life," is his reply. Something a little more realistic from a boy of maybe fifteen, and less characteristic of the Peter Parker character we know in current continuity.

Or is he? Does it add another depth to the Peter Parker character to look at his relationship with Aunt May and think, maybe he harbors some deeper resentment toward her. We all know he loves her, but have we ever stopped to think that she thrust too much responsibility on him too early (even for a fifteen year old with spider powers), and stop the presses: he recognized that?

So the appearance of this book raises some interesting questions. Is it a DKR ripoff? Is it necessary in the tapestry of the comic book world, or even on a smaller level, the Spider-Man world? Do we need something to jar us enough to rethink the Spider-Man character? Is this done with Reign tastefully, or is it hackneyed? While I'm willing to say yes, it totally harbors obvious similarities to the much-coveted DKR, I'm not quite willing to say it is a "ripoff" or is unnecessary. Food for thought.

My perspective of this is that this is, at least in the author's mind, a time for this story, because of the political unrest.

Look at the subtitle of the story: Reign. Not only is it the title of the current government in the story, that's exactly what they're doing--they are reigning over the people and taking away their rights. Much like DKR was against the Reagan administration, I think this is a story criticizing the Bush administation.

When you think about it, the storyline for DKR, of a man becoming a mythic champion to the people, is almost more fitting to Spider-Man than to Batman, because Spider-Man is very much the Everyman, the one most like us.

Essentially, this is a story about a regular joe like us with strange powers unique to him becoming a champion of the people and overthrowing an oppresive government.
 
I didn't see it on the list, but that could change either tomorrow or tuesday when the list becomes finalized.
 
Having read both DKR and Reign when they came out, I personally find that Reign is much more depressing than the first issue of DKR.

But that's just my opinion...

:yay:
 
Whos buying on wednesday?

I am.

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I'll definitely be getting that bad boy. The first issue was a pretty decent start. Very depressing but a good start. This next issue we'll see how much it separates itself from DKR. :o
 
Oh, I'll definitely be picking it up. The classic villains are showing their futuristic faces, including Doc Ock :up:
 
when I got issue 1, it had Spidey in his black costume compared to his regular red and blue one. I know it's not the second printing, is this a variant or something? Thanks.
 
Yeah, it's a variant. Issue #1 came in either the Red & Blue costume, or the Black costume. I'm not sure how the ratio compared, but I think it was pretty even.

Also, I'm definately getting #2 the day it comes out. Teach my comic store guy not to reply to my e-mails. :cmad:
 
Well, issue 2 was awesome. Peter's really lost his marbles regarding MJ. I wonder what the circumstances of her death was. I hope Andrews reveals it.

Loved the "Sinner Six". Though I wish we'd seen a bit more of them. They didn't have much to say. Kraven got most of the dialogue.

The cliffhanger with Doc Ock was awesome. What is he up to?? Cannot wait to find out.
 
Andrews really keeps his words. He really makes Spidey feel painful and powerless.:woot: I hope he will strike back at the 'Sinner Six' and the thing formerly known as Doc Ock
 
any chance of full spoilers???

Why would you want spoilers? This series will stay very fresh and enjoyable if everyone can only guess at the ending.

#2 was absolutely amazing. This is shaping up to be money well spent. Can't wait for #3
 
as in full spoilers for issue 2 obviously!!! so I know what happened in the issue!!!
 
I can't get to my local comic shop for at least 2 weeks cause it is about 20 miles away spo would just like to know what happens why are you being so pedantic over why I would like spoilers?? ...."lol".....no-one gets this much hassle over asking for spoilers for any other book!
 
I can't get to my local comic shop for at least 2 weeks cause it is about 20 miles away spo would just like to know what happens why are you being so pedantic over why I would like spoilers?? ...."lol".....no-one gets this much hassle over asking for spoilers for any other book!

I'm just joking with you man...here are the spoilers.

It opens with the city in shock of the appearance of a masked man after the his absence for 30 years. Basically 30 years of no Spidey. Jameson has begun to lead an underground resistance to the Reign consisting mostly of kids. He is calling on all of them to stop the project called "The Webb" and allow the return of Spider-Man and the other masks. And the defeat of the Reign. Another mask, a dancing hypnotist, joined the cause. Using his power, he attempts to disable the Reign. However, he is shot down and killed (I assume). Peter, who was planning to leave town, sees the shooting and the mob outside of his house. An explosive is fired into his house. That's all it takes. Spidey is back in full black costume and starts kicking Reign butt. The Reign, however, has back up which consists of the Sinister Six, now known as the Sinner Six. They easily take down the aged Web-head. But just as they are about to kill him, Doc Ock appears and carries Spider-Man off to a cemetery. By now, the Webb has been activated. Spider-Man is at Ock's mercy. Ock is digging what appears to be a grave for Spider-Man, not far from the graves of MJ, Uncle Ben, and Aunt May. That's pretty much it.

Hope that tells you enough.
 
yeah, liked the issue. pretty brutal stuff, with kraven impaling that kid n stuff...

but i dont got who the sinner six were.. is okc part of them? if so, why doeshe act different than the others?

i counted: sandman, kraven, electro, scorpion and mysterio (although im note sure about him, i just see a purple cape standing around doing nothing and soemtimes a green fishbowl somewhere). that would mean ock is with them wouldn´t it?
 
Shouldn't the Sinner Six be older than Peter? They are stronger and younger looking than Peter. Now I wonder how the heck Peter will survive all of them when Venom appears
 
They brought back Hypno-Hustler, that right there is enough for me to say this is the greatest comic book ever :o
 
Shouldn't the Sinner Six be older than Peter? They are stronger and younger looking than Peter. Now I wonder how the heck Peter will survive all of them when Venom appears

Seeing as Kraven is supposed to be dead in continuity, I think them being younger looking is the least of the slight continuity errors...Vulture still looks old as hell though, Kraven probably came back from the dead whenever at the same age he was as he died, so he'd probably be only slightly younger depending on when it happened, Sandman just may not show age as he's made of sand and could look however he want..you dont see Scorpion, Elector, or Mysterio's faces, so they may not even be the originals...
 

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