Comics Spider-Man's Identity

[Lord]

So i decided to make this thread because i wanted to know if you guys think that after 50 years Spider-Man identity should remain public as when it was revealed in Civil War or if One More Day did well in erasing this revelation.

I actually liked his identity being exposed, it allowed the character to grow and gave more potencial for new stories to be told and i don't like how One More Day basically reverted everything to where it was during the 80s.

 

[runawayboulder]

I voted no but I don't mind that the FF and certain Avengers know who he is.

 

[Themanofbat]

Secret idnetities are meant to be secret... 'nuff said.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I think Daredevil, Black Cat and definitely Norman Osborn should know. My favorite Norm stories have always revolved around him toying with Peter personally. That's what made him so scary, he was a threat to Peter all the time, whether he was in or out of the mask.

 

[Themanofbat]

That's what made him boring... personally, and that's what led to his death in 1973... from when he found out in 1966 in ASM #39 and the drug stories of 1971 in ASM #96/98, there were 3 majot GG stories that all hindered on the "Oh Noes!!! It's the Green Goblin and he KNOWS my identity!!!', and they all ended the same way....

Amnesia...



Peter's identity is better of secret... imo.

 

[runawayboulder]

Does Osborn know Peter is SM? Last I knew he still had no idea who was under the mask but after the events of Spider-Island and the spell breaking he should be able to figure it out again, am I right...?

 

[jonathancrane]

If I am correct, Osborn is in a near vegetative state since the Avengers literally fried his mind and body. It is possible that some memories might be lost, but, I do agree with JJJ's Ulcer about why knowing works.

 

[Themanofbat]

Does Osborn know Peter is SM? Last I knew he still had no idea who was under the mask but after the events of Spider-Island and the spell breaking he should be able to figure it out again, am I right...?

After Spider-Island, anyone can now figure out Peter's identity...

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

That's what made him boring... personally, and that's what led to his death in 1973... from when he found out in 1966 in ASM #39 and the drug stories of 1971 in ASM #96/98, there were 3 majot GG stories that all hindered on the "Oh Noes!!! It's the Green Goblin and he KNOWS my identity!!!', and they all ended the same way....

Amnesia...



Peter's identity is better of secret... imo.

You're applying corny early 70s logic to how stories are written now. I don't want him to get amnesia and forget every time. I want him to always know. He didn't get amnesia in the 90s or early 00s and there were some really good Peter/Norman stories that came out of that (Sins Past obviously notwithstanding).

 

[Themanofbat]

What's the point of him knowing if he isn't going to use it?

The threat of Norman finding out his identity and killing Aunt May is more exciting than Norman knows his identity, yet does nothing about it...

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

What's the point of him knowing if he isn't going to use it?

He is using it. It's called building tension. Peter never knows when he'll strike. He's vulnerable at all times and can do nothing about it, but... wait. And when Norman does strike it will be personal, aimed at Peter, not Spider-Man.

The threat of Norman finding out his identity and killing Aunt May is more exciting than Norman knows his identity, yet does nothing about it...

No. It isn't. And you're misrepresenting Norman. "Does nothing about it"? Kills Gwen, engineers clone-saga, messes with Pete at his job by becoming his new boss at the Bugle, kidnaps and buries Aunt May alive, auctions off Peter's secret ID, orchastrates a drunken truck-crash for recovering alcoholic Flash Thompson, abducting Peter and torturing him.... yeah, "nothing." Whatever.

 

[Themanofbat]

No. It isn't. And you're misrepresenting Norman. "Does nothing about it"? Kills Gwen, engineers clone-saga, messes with Pete at his job by becoming his new boss at the Bugle, kidnaps and buries Aunt May alive, auctions off Peter's secret ID, orchastrates a drunken truck-crash for recovering alcoholic Flash Thompson, abducting Peter and torturing him.... yeah, "nothing." Whatever.

Yeah... but what has he done lately?

I'll agree with all those plot points except for the one in bold... engineering the Clone Saga... again, Norman was brought in as a quick fix, and to simply state that "Norman was behind it all" is pure BS on Marvel's part, and shame on all the fans who actually "buy it" and uses it as a "Norman Osborn is the best Spidey villain" ever tactic...

And did he really "kill Gwen" because Peter was Spider-Man? Or was it because she ran away with his children? And the reality is that Peter killed Gwen with his webbing, though the reality is that she was esssentially dead when Norman knocked her off the bridge...

Aside from "Death in the Family", those other stories were just poorly written (in my opinion) yarns using Norman's "new" status as the Supreme Spidey villain...

But... like you said... whatever...

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Yeah... but what has he done lately?

I'll agree with all those plot points except for the one in bold... engineering the Clone Saga... again, Norman was brought in as a quick fix, and to simply state that "Norman was behind it all" is pure BS on Marvel's part, and shame on all the fans who actually "buy it" and uses it as a "Norman Osborn is the best Spidey villain" ever tactic...

And did he really "kill Gwen" because Peter was Spider-Man? Or was it because she ran away with his children?

Oh c'mon you can't argue that "engineering the clone saga" was Marvel BS and then cite the 30 years later 'Sins Past' retcon as a legitimate point in your argument. Aside from Brand New Day, that's pretty much the most despised Spidey story ever. When the original 'Death of Gwen' arc was written, Norman was looking for pure revenge. There was none of that "secret twins" nonsense.

And the reality is that Peter killed Gwen with his webbing, though the reality is that she was esssentially dead when Norman knocked her off the bridge...

This sentence is so confusing I don't know if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me here. Is this the Matrix? Are there two realities? Which reality is the real reality?

Aside from "Death in the Family", those other stories were just poorly written (in my opinion) yarns using Norman's "new" status as the Supreme Spidey villain...

But... like you said... whatever...

I loved the 'Marvel Knights' 12 parter and a few other stories, like the one where Norman abducts Peter and keeps him prisoner in his mansion while he tries to brainwash him. And Spec #250. And 'Goblin at the Gate.' And I liked 'Revelations' a lot too. So different strokes for different folks.

 

[Themanofbat]

I was tired last night...lol

 

[Themanofbat]

What I meant is that she was essentially dead when Norman knocked her off the bridge because there was no way anyone was going to save her. But her "cause of death" was Peter's webbing.

 

[runawayboulder]

Ahhhhh, this old argument.

I blame Marvel's reprints, adding the 'snap' sound effect.......taking it away....

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

haven't we learned how f**ked up of an idea this whole unmasking thing was?...

how f**ked up of an idea it was for the writers to come up with it and how f**ked up of an idea it was for Peter to go thru with it?...

the whole Civil War thing was just f**ked up all the way 'round...

definitely NOT one of Marvel's brighter or more intelligent moments...

 

[Themanofbat]

Ahhhhh, this old argument.

I blame Marvel's reprints, adding the 'snap' sound effect.......taking it away....

The snap is in the original issue... not to mention in the letter's page of ASM #125 (I think) where Marvel basically admits that it was his webbing...

No arguments.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Aloha,
It is truly one of the great ironies of Spider-Man. To save Gwen he had to kill her.No human being could have survived the fall off the bridge, but Peter had to try.Had he not tried, he would be remorseful. By trying, he killed her.Still remorseful. It was a No win situation.
Spidey rules with great character depth

IMO-Secret identity means just that and super powered should only hook up with other super powered.