Comics Spidey in Ironman #14

[3dman27]

i always thought his spider sense was commonly known since he's mentioned having it countless times unless bendis is still thinking of ULTIMATE spidey

 

[ssj wolverine]

As much as I would love Pete to put on the black costume again and whip Tony and everyone's ass, I think it would smack desperation on Peter's part and bring back the same troubles he had before.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Okay, as logical and realistic as all of the arguments for why Spidey or Iron Man would win are, let's look at it this way...

It's IRON MAN'S book. Are they going to have him get his ass handed to him by Spider-Man?

I should think not.

I mean, say what you will about the fight between Spidey and Iron Man in ASM #536, but Spidey didn't lose that fight. Maybe he didn't necessarily win it, but he didn't lose it.

 

[Shmoil]

I mostly agree with jaydawg. But also, I love that art. I might just buy the book for it.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I love Spidey as much as the rest of you guys, but realistically, thats pretty much what would happen. Tony Stark could find a way to screw his spidey sense. It's happened a bunch of times before. Hell the Green Goblin did it with some chemical and i dont think they ever explained how he knew Spidey had a Spidey sense in the first place.

Iron Man, in pretty much every suit for a couple decades now, is at a class 80 strength minimum. With the amount of times he's taken on so many bruisers, he'd have to. I do think its rediculous that Parker was Tony's ***** for so long, but lets be honest here. One of Starks beams could easily take out Pete if he was distracted, which he clearly was. Hell, that one punch would have been enough. If anything, that fight in ASM was bull****.

One punch? Come on now. Spidey has taken punishment from Hulk and other heavy hitters in the Marvel Universe. One punch from Iron Man isn't knocking out Spider-man. Granted I think that Iron Man would obviously have the upper hand in a fight between the two. Saying that Iron Man would easily win?

Thats ridiculous

 

[Dragon]

Okay, as logical and realistic as all of the arguments for why Spidey or Iron Man would win are, let's look at it this way...

It's IRON MAN'S book. Are they going to have him get his ass handed to him by Spider-Man?

I should think not.

I mean, say what you will about the fight between Spidey and Iron Man in ASM #536, but Spidey didn't lose that fight. Maybe he didn't necessarily win it, but he didn't lose it.

Spidey gets his ass stomped in his own book all the time.

But that's not really the point. No question, Spidey would and should have his hands full against Ironman. IM has several times Spidey's strength and very dangerous weapons. Spidey's only real hope is outsmarting Stark. But- Stark should never be able to repleicate the spider sense. That's just ridiculous.

 

[shinlyle]

Okay...we all know that Iron Man in stronger than Spidey. No one is arguing that. We all know that Iron Man's beams could potentially toast Spidey. No arguing that.

However, what it boils down to is this: Peter versus Tony. Tony is just a human, and Peter is a superhuman. Iron Man is a human with human reflexes, His suit can do more than he can do, but he can't react as quickly as Peter can when it comes to fighting. That is Peter's advantage.

Peter's Spider-sense is his other advantage, which Tony used against him. Hoever, Peter has fought FAR tougher foes than Iron Man, and he has one, Peter has fought without the aide of his Spider-sense before...and won (Venom, Carnage, anyone?). So WHY is it so hard to accept that Spidey, who has beaten tougher foes than Iron Man could actually beat Iron Man?

Argh....we're back to suqare one again aren't we? Peter has been written as a pansy-ass momma's boy for so long that his readers have started to think he is one as well, huh?

Ugh. Wake me up when the books(aside from SSM) get good again.

 

[shinlyle]

SBut- Stark should never be able to repleicate the spider sense. That's just ridiculous.

Preach it.

How anyone thought this was a "good idea" is beyond me.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I could accept a doohicke that dampens the spider-sense, but replicating it?! not that's too much... heck I'd accept stark reverse engineering the spider tracers to create the false positives... Cap's team needs Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris and Mr.T(with lots of gold) in order to win... Curse you Dr. Yinsen...

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Spidey gets his ass stomped in his own book all the time.

But that's not really the point. No question, Spidey would and should have his hands full against Ironman. IM has several times Spidey's strength and very dangerous weapons. Spidey's only real hope is outsmarting Stark. But- Stark should never be able to repleicate the spider sense. That's just ridiculous.

Well, yes, but traditionally - and this is not counting the last few years or so - when he gets stomped, it's not too long before Spidey bounces back to take down his foe. This isn't true of every encounter, but a good portion of them.

It stands to reason that a hero in his own book, in the end, is going to best his opponents. If Iron Man and Spidey are battling in Iron Man's book, odds are Iron Man is going to get the best of him (no matter how asinine the explanation is). Likewise, in Spidey's book, odds are Spidey is going to take the victory - or at least escape into a sewer or something...

Anyway, I agree with the spider-sense thing. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[jaydawg]

One punch? Come on now. Spidey has taken punishment from Hulk and other heavy hitters in the Marvel Universe. One punch from Iron Man isn't knocking out Spider-man. Granted I think that Iron Man would obviously have the upper hand in a fight between the two. Saying that Iron Man would easily win?

Thats ridiculous

Yes one punch from just about any Iron Man suit could realisitcally take Spidey out. I'm not saying it makes for a great fight, or that Spidey shouldnt be able to dodge that punch, but in practically any IM armor, Stark is, minimum, eight times stronger than Spidey.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Yes one punch from just about any Iron Man suit could realisitcally take Spidey out. I'm not saying it makes for a great fight, or that Spidey shouldnt be able to dodge that punch, but in practically any IM armor, Stark is, minimum, eight times stronger than Spidey.

I get that he's obviously much stronger then Spider-man. What I'm saying is that Spidey has been shown to take punishment from guys much stronger then him all the time. The Hulk, Morlun, Rhino and the list goes on and on.

One punch from Iron Man isn't going to knock him out.

 

[reallyoldspideyfan]

Hello,

Even from the earliest issues, Peter always goes in prepared. He may get his ass kicked the first time but will go in prepared the second. He did this against Doc Ock, The Lizard, Rhino and many others the second time.

In a fair fight: Peter would put up a good fight but would lose.

If Peter prepared: Peter still might lose but IRON MAN would need a new set of armour.

Point is, IRON MAN is well above SPIDER-MAN in power levels but that has not stopped SM from beating opponent's more powerful than him. Difference is, most of his more powerful opponent's were either less-intelligent or full of anger. Tony is neither of these things so will make a more dynamic opponent.

Tony's armour has limits...SM's heart does not. Perhaps that is the advantage.

DN

PS: I am an older collector and it's one thing to see IRON MAN kick Spidey's ass but it is another to see CAPTAIN AMERICA worry and get shots in on Spider-man. The guy can dodge bullets (many bullets) and has Spider Sense. He is also WAY faster and stronger than CAP and has, in my opinion, a faster healing factor. No matter how good a fighter is, SM can sense the move coming. Silly. Am I missing something about CAP's powers?

 

[ragingdemon155]

Hello,

Even from the earliest issues, Peter always goes in prepared. He may get his ass kicked the first time but will go in prepared the second. He did this against Doc Ock, The Lizard, Rhino and many others the second time.

In a fair fight: Peter would put up a good fight but would lose.

If Peter prepared: Peter still might lose but IRON MAN would need a new set of armour.

Point is, IRON MAN is well above SPIDER-MAN in power levels but that has not stopped SM from beating opponent's more powerful than him. Difference is, most of his more powerful opponent's were either less-intelligent or full of anger. Tony is neither of these things so will make a more dynamic opponent.

Tony's armour has limits...SM's heart does not. Perhaps that is the advantage.

DN

PS: I am an older collector and it's one thing to see IRON MAN kick Spidey's ass but it is another to see CAPTAIN AMERICA worry and get shots in on Spider-man. The guy can dodge bullets (many bullets) and has Spider Sense. He is also WAY faster and stronger than CAP and has, in my opinion, a faster healing factor. No matter how good a fighter is, SM can sense the move coming. Silly. Am I missing something about CAP's powers?

In my eyes Spidey really didn't want to fight that fight at all. In a fair one on one fight I think everyone knows that Spidey would destory Cap. There just not on the same level. Spidey would never do that though. It's just not in his character.

 

[Dragon]

Yes one punch from just about any Iron Man suit could realisitcally take Spidey out. I'm not saying it makes for a great fight, or that Spidey shouldnt be able to dodge that punch, but in practically any IM armor, Stark is, minimum, eight times stronger than Spidey.

No way. Spidey has taken punches HARDER than Stark's best and bounced back. One punch won't do it.

 

[Arcturus]

I haven't read an Iron-man book ever, I don't know much about the character other then his appearances in Spidey books, does he have god-like powers or what's the deal? Is he unbeatable?

v4life

 

[chiefchirpa]

Stark genius > Parker genius.
Stark productivity > Parker productivity.

At least that's what we know right now.

Iron Man is an international-level superhero and would not have difficulty beating a city-level superhero. Realistically, Iron Man would not find Venom or anyone in a Venom-like suit as a tough opponent. He's a Marvel top dog equaling Hulk and Thor because of his smart, not of an endowed power.

The way to turn this thing around:
- Peter would do more research on his suit and ability. By researching the Venom suit, Peter could create the most advanced Bio-Chem suit on the planet which equals Iron Man's most advanced Electro-Mech armor suit.
- Peter should quit being a slacker. Do real scientific research, as opposed just wasting his year after year of just chasing criminals (hey you got plenty of superheroes in NYC, this will cut some slack of Spider-man), working as a photographer or teaching high school students.

- Amass more wealth for Peter, but the wealth should be spent towards more scientific research. Not just research for his costume, but also for humanity.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Iron Man is not unbeatable, but he possess what non-superpower qualities Peter Parker has and more: intellect, cunning and the ability to materialize his ideas. The only thing keeping him down is his huge Ego and drinking problem.

Anyway, I think it's funny if Spidey turns into the Venom suit suddenly to get even with Iron Man. This is like a child who borrows his neighbor stuff to show off against his more capable friend.

I love Spidey more than Iron Man but he needs to get his ass off to do something and better his capability as a superhero.

 

[jaydawg]

Oh please. Stark has produced way more "bull****" level strategies than figuring out how to beat a Spider sense. The Green Goblin did it during Lee's run. If he figured out how to beat Nitro in practically the same way he figured how to take out Spidey's Sense, its very possible. The guy had weeks worth of data on Spidey from the Iron Suit. I don't understand why people are being so hard headed about this. Spidey was distracted. The sense was telling him about another direction. He already had a punch in the face, which was more than capable of KOing him. An beam following up would certainly be enough to take him. Like I said earlier, the ASM fight which Pete won was far more bs than anything from IM14.

And no, Iron Man is stronger than both Venom AND Carnage. Carnage is in the 50 ton range. Like I've said before, the minimum amount of strength any IM amor has is in the 80 ton range. And yes, I know Spidey's beat Hulk more than once. Doesn't change the fact that none of those fights make any logical sense.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

WTF are we suddenly talking about Spidey fighting Iron Man using the Venom symbiote? That came out of nowhere.

 

[Themanofbat]

Well, I'm going to think "outside the box" for a moment and let's all suppose that Marvel is making Spidey lose a lot of fights on purpose.

Let's face it... over the years, as Spider-Man has become more and more popular, people began expecting to win his fights, because he was Spider-Man. In the same manner that Batman went from a detective/crime-fighter to an almost undefeatable character in the DC Universe who could even defeat Jesus on a bad day, maybe (I said maybe here, folks...) Spidey had achieved some weird similar type of status in the Marvel Universe.

Having said that, we all know that Marvel plans on returning Spider-Man to his more popular role as a vigilante type hero in the Marvel Universe where even the other heroes don't really trust him... maybe they want to re-create a victorious fighting style Spider-Man that can oversome incredible odds to come out on top... only to have the Spectre of Spider-Man wreck his personal life.

And it would be harder to do that if we expect him to win EVERY fight.

I'm really grasping at straws here folks... but it's possible that the dumbing down of Spidey's fights is the direct result of returning our favorite wall-crawler to his grassroots.

 

[Dragon]

Oh please. Stark has produced way more "bull****" level strategies than figuring out how to beat a Spider sense. The Green Goblin did it during Lee's run. If he figured out how to beat Nitro in practically the same way he figured how to take out Spidey's Sense, its very possible. The guy had weeks worth of data on Spidey from the Iron Suit. I don't understand why people are being so hard headed about this. Spidey was distracted. The sense was telling him about another direction. He already had a punch in the face, which was more than capable of KOing him. An beam following up would certainly be enough to take him. Like I said earlier, the ASM fight which Pete won was far more bs than anything from IM14.

And no, Iron Man is stronger than both Venom AND Carnage. Carnage is in the 50 ton range. Like I've said before, the minimum amount of strength any IM amor has is in the 80 ton range. And yes, I know Spidey's beat Hulk more than once. Doesn't change the fact that none of those fights make any logical sense.

Dude- NO WAY. No way Stark can replicate the spider sense. It's not merely a chemical-neurological process that Stark can replicate in his labs. It isn't even something that can be clearly explained. And no, the Goblin dulling the Spider sense isn't the same thing. What the Goblin did was essentially to effect the spider sense chemically the way a virus attacks attacks an immune system, decreasing its strength. But weakening it is a far cry from replicating it and moreover controlling it. If Stark were merely weakening it as the Goblin did, fine.

And I agree with you that Spidey beating the Hulk is ridiculous. But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about a one punch knock-out, that wouldn't happen. Spidey, like any other superhuman has a level of durability. You can also factor in the flexibility of Spidey's muscle and skeletal frame which would make him somewhat "rubbery" and thus resilient to massive blows. There was a case a few years ago of a newborn baby who fell several stories into a muddy patch of land, and the baby survived due to his bones still being soft. Spidey is similar to that.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Dude- NO WAY. No way Stark can replicate the spider sense. It's not merely a chemical-neurological process that Stark can replicate in his labs. It isn't even something that can be clearly explained. And no, the Goblin dulling the Spider sense isn't the same thing. What the Goblin did was essentially to effect the spider sense chemically the way a virus attacks attacks an immune system, decreasing its strength. But weakening it is a far cry from replicating it and moreover controlling it. If Stark were merely weakening it as the Goblin did, fine.

And I agree with you that Spidey beating the Hulk is ridiculous. But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about a one punch knock-out, that wouldn't happen. Spidey, like any other superhuman has a level of durability. You can also factor in the flexibility of Spidey's muscle and skeletal frame which would make him somewhat "rubbery" and thus resilient to massive blows. There was a case a few years ago of a newborn baby who fell several stories into a muddy patch of land, and the baby survived due to his bones still being soft. Spidey is similar to that.

Spidey beating the Hulk? I don't really recall this happening. Spidey has out witted the Hulk a few times here and there. But without some sought of gimmick, he's never beaten the Hulk in a straight up fight. That's never happened.

 

[Dragon]

Spidey beating the Hulk? I don't really recall this happening. Spidey has out witted the Hulk a few times here and there. But without some sought of gimmick, he's never beaten the Hulk in a straight up fight. That's never happened.

In a recent Spidey Unlimited he beat the Hulk.

 

[Rez]

Well, I'm going to think "outside the box" for a moment and let's all suppose that Marvel is making Spidey lose a lot of fights on purpose.

Let's face it... over the years, as Spider-Man has become more and more popular, people began expecting to win his fights, because he was Spider-Man. In the same manner that Batman went from a detective/crime-fighter to an almost undefeatable character in the DC Universe who could even defeat Jesus on a bad day, maybe (I said maybe here, folks...) Spidey had achieved some weird similar type of status in the Marvel Universe.

Having said that, we all know that Marvel plans on returning Spider-Man to his more popular role as a vigilante type hero in the Marvel Universe where even the other heroes don't really trust him... maybe they want to re-create a victorious fighting style Spider-Man that can oversome incredible odds to come out on top... only to have the Spectre of Spider-Man wreck his personal life.

And it would be harder to do that if we expect him to win EVERY fight.

I'm really grasping at straws here folks... but it's possible that the dumbing down of Spidey's fights is the direct result of returning our favorite wall-crawler to his grassroots.

That's really good, but far more logic and planning than I would give Marvel credit for.