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I don't tend to read anything new or am a Trekkie by any means, but this series caught my eye, based on the fact that it bridges ST's the Next Generation to the movie 'prequel' timeline.

I don't know how many of you know that the new Abrams' 'STAR TREK' is supposed to be a somewhat sequel to everything else, and therefore makes it that more interesting to find out the universal question: how?

Catch up here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Countdown


And there's a really interesting article on Quantum Mechanics(time traveling causes alternate timelines), which puts Back to the Future to shame(slightly):

http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob...-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/
 
Ok, so, my first impression.

The antagonist that gets the whole thing started is weak. A star going nova threatening to destroy the galaxy? There are ways a star going nova can be a significant threat. These include things like the obvious expanding star and radiation, to a massive gamma ray burst.

But all of these things have one crucial limit. They can't travel beyond the speed of light. So, yes, a massive solar flare may be able to wipe out a small planet in a few minutes. If it was close enough to the star. But it would take years for it to effect Romulus. Even if Romulus was the neighboring start system, it would be a couple of light years away. So they'd have years to prepare and evacuate, not days or weeks.

Of course, this is the Trek universe. So maybe this massive star's nova disrupted subspace or something. The disruption could travel faster than light, and the time frame works out.

But it seems in the comic that the star is actually growing to be light years wide, at faster than the speed of light. Everything about that is wrong. All of these problems could have been avoided by just saying one of the stars in the Romulan home system (it's a binary star system) is going nova instead.


And then there's the red matter. Not only could they have found a better name, but why make up a new type of matter? Why not just use something like dark matter? Or say the Decalithium (which I'm guessing is eight better than dilithium :p) can be used to cause an implosion in the Hobus, that will cause it to collapse on itself into a black hole.



Ok, that's my nitpicking of the weak parts. Nero's motivation against the Federation and Vulcan makes sense now. And it's given me enough to start guessing at spoilers for the movie without actually giving anything away. I especially liked the explanation for the Nerada. When I first saw pictures of it, it didn't make much since. Why would a ship need spires like that, especially given the ship designs we've seen throughout Trek history. Now it can be explained as Borg adaptation technology altering the ship in ways we might not understand. I can live with that. Also makes me wonder how the hell the 22nd century Enterprise is going to stand a chance against it in the film.


I'm liking seeing the old characters come back and what's been happening in the Federation since Voyager. The Romulans becoming less xenophobic after the Dominion War and opening up formal relations with the Federation is good to see. And logical since the war would have been lost without the thre superpower (Feds, Klingons, Romulans) banding together. And Spock is finally the official Federation Ambassador to the Romulan Empire.

I like how they've pretty much officially canonized that Data's transfer of memory to B-4 worked. Data still died in Nemesis, but a backup copy survived (the advantage of being an android).

Picard is thankfully not an Admiral (always take Kirk's advice on such matters). I certainly wasn't expecting him to be ambassador to Vulcan, but it seems a good fit with his prior experiences with Sarek and Spock.

And in the next issue we get to see General Worf! Although I liked the idea of him being ambassador to the Federation, Worf needs to be out their in the thick of the action.


So, those are my first thoughts.
 
Wow, I sure rambled on there. So, quick summation:

If they had said the Romulan home system's star was going nova instead of Hobus, and used something fas less Dues Ex like decalithium and red matter, most of my problems would be gone.

I'd still wonder why the Romulan's didn't detect the instability of their star. But with the recent war, and the government's notoriously snobbish outlook on the science class, I could at least be convinced.

We'll see if Countdown 4 addresses my issues.
 
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I just downloaded the comics and gave each of them the once over. I enjoyed them. The continuing TNG reunion is kind of felt forced, but since we're seeing where some of our favorite characters have ended up, I'm not really going to complain.

I've dug the Nero arch, his relationship with Spock, and the insight into the tech that will be utilized in the new movie. I'm looking forward to seeing how issue #4 ties into the flick!
 
I really need to pick this up.
 
What did people think of Issue #4?

Worf's going to be fine. When Picard laments about Spock disappearing into the black hole, "May his soul live long and prosper" it seemed a little anti-climactic. This whole four issue series is just supposed to help lessen the blow of a retcon to Star Trek fans. I'm doubting it'll save the movie. Star Trek's dead.
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The human adventure is over.
:ST:
 
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It's true. I've heard the new movie is primarily robot characters.
 
Chris Pine and the rest of the replacement crew's acting abilities would suggest that they were.


I don't care about the others, but you owe Simon Pegg and Bruce Greenwood apologies.
 
I don't care about the others, but you owe Simon Pegg and Bruce Greenwood apologies.

Simon Pegg is nothing without Edgar Wright. I'll give you Bruce Greenwood, but he's a little too old to play Pike.
 
I’m skeptical of all of the good reviews for Star Trek 11, especially given the poor storyline laid out in countdown. Countdown is just a way to help quell the pain felt by trekkers worldwide when Paramount officially destroys cannon with this retcon/reboot. Countdown was an afterthought when the film was made and I find it extremely insulting that this is the official goodbye to the Star Trek mythos that we all know and love. I’m not going to buy into the hype that the new film is somehow on par with Khan or that it will surpass all of my expectations. Just remember that Harry Knowles of AICN thought Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a good movie. Star Trek is dead, and I can’t wait when Paramount loses a significant amount of money from low box office returns. :yay:
 
Nice. So you haven't seen something, but you'll condemn it because it doesn't fit in with your preconceptions of how it 'should' be. Nice to see Star Trek taught you nothing.

I would like to point out that in terms of established cannon in Trek, TNG era has been raped to death. TNG was ok, DS9 was awesome, Voyager was ******ed. The movies were hit and miss (First Contact was solid, Insurrection and Generations felt like stretched out episodes, and Nemesis was disturbingly bad).

And where does it say that established cannon can't continue, in some way, shape or form? If anything everything I've read has backed up the producers saying 'just because we've made this movie, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy old trek and maybe get some new stuff in that continuity'.

Star Trek was about unity through diversity. Over coming the odds, exploring the galaxy and trying to help out when you could. I don't understand the hatred directed at a film majority haven't seen yet, especially when there is nothing to contradict any of those themes as already established *puzzled expression*
 
Nice. So you haven't seen something, but you'll condemn it because it doesn't fit in with your preconceptions of how it 'should' be. Nice to see Star Trek taught you nothing.

I would like to point out that in terms of established cannon in Trek, TNG era has been raped to death. TNG was ok, DS9 was awesome, Voyager was ******ed. The movies were hit and miss (First Contact was solid, Insurrection and Generations felt like stretched out episodes, and Nemesis was disturbingly bad).

And where does it say that established cannon can't continue, in some way, shape or form? If anything everything I've read has backed up the producers saying 'just because we've made this movie, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy old trek and maybe get some new stuff in that continuity'.

Star Trek was about unity through diversity. Over coming the odds, exploring the galaxy and trying to help out when you could. I don't understand the hatred directed at a film majority haven't seen yet, especially when there is nothing to contradict any of those themes as already established *puzzled expression*
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Nice. So you haven't seen something, but you'll condemn it because it doesn't fit in with your preconceptions of how it 'should' be. Nice to see Star Trek taught you nothing.

I would like to point out that in terms of established cannon in Trek, TNG era has been raped to death. TNG was ok, DS9 was awesome, Voyager was ******ed. The movies were hit and miss (First Contact was solid, Insurrection and Generations felt like stretched out episodes, and Nemesis was disturbingly bad).

And where does it say that established cannon can't continue, in some way, shape or form? If anything everything I've read has backed up the producers saying 'just because we've made this movie, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy old trek and maybe get some new stuff in that continuity'.

Star Trek was about unity through diversity. Over coming the odds, exploring the galaxy and trying to help out when you could. I don't understand the hatred directed at a film majority haven't seen yet, especially when there is nothing to contradict any of those themes as already established *puzzled expression*

You think TNG was ok, and DS9 was awesome? I uh... don't even think this conversation should continue.
 
They were both awesome. DS9 may have been the stronger show dramatically.
 
TNG was awesome, it's dated badly for me (I can't bare to watch anything pre-season three, but then again, I'm not really missing much because season three is when TNG kicked into gear). It does feature possibly my favorite Trek actor in Brent Spiner... actually, that's a lie, it's Deforest Kelly.

DS9 is a better show case of the writing style I prefer... a weaving storyline with many layers, which lasts more than one week and refers to previous events that have happened in the shows past instead of deciding to forget them for plot convenience. I think the obviousness of Ronald D Moore's influence on DS9 is also a big factor for my enjoyment; the themes he addresses resonate with me, and I like seeing good people make hard choices, and then having to live with them.

But that's just my personal opinion. Same as I don't understand or like seeing people rag on something for reasons which aren't justified. The new Trek isn't wiping your dvd collection of TOS & TNG era shows, so why get so upset? You haven't even seen it yet, you're just making a judgment formed on the basis of 'it's not what I know' (at least that's how it's coming across).

If you feel they are re-writing Trek lore with no consideration for cannon, then ignore the new Trek. For me, I'm going to buy a ticket, watch a film, and THEN make a decision. Because, and this really is the key point here, these two continuities are not mutually exclusive of each other. They CAN co-exist. Alternate realities are something which Trek has used before (TOS & DS9... and technically Enterprise, but really... ugh). It's not like when Mirror Mirror came out, everyone decided it had wiped out all of the things they loved about Trek (for me it's a classic, we get to see how these characters COULD have turned out if events were different in the core universe).

And it's nice how, for someone who clings to the ideals of the so called 'true Star Trek', you could so easily dismiss my point of view with out any kind of rationale or reason due to the fact that we have different opinions on the quality of two television shows. There was no counter argument, just 'OMGZ, you liked those shows the wrong way round. Can't talk to you anymore'.

Nice man. Real mature and obviously doesn't make your anger at JJ 'raping trek's core values' seem hypocritical at all.
 
Speaking as a non-Trekkie, I'm excited about Star Trek the movie.
In fact, so are my friends.
and my fiance.
and the guys at my gym.

For the first time in my life, after I saw the trailer, I turned to the fiance and said "Star Trek looks AWESOME!"

And that's what I keep hearing, "Dude, have you seen the trailer for the new Star Trek movie?" "Yeah it looks frikkin sweet, but it's Star Trek..." "I know man, but I'm going to go see it anyway."

Star Trek has been inaccessible to the majority of the public for years now. This movie is a chance to save a dying franchise and breath new life into Trek.
Star Trek could be *gasp* POPULAR for the first time in 40 years.
And that is a good thing in my book.
 
Speaking as a non-Trekkie, I'm excited about Star Trek the movie.
In fact, so are my friends.
and my fiance.
and the guys at my gym.

For the first time in my life, after I saw the trailer, I turned to the fiance and said "Star Trek looks AWESOME!"

And that's what I keep hearing, "Dude, have you seen the trailer for the new Star Trek movie?" "Yeah it looks frikkin sweet, but it's Star Trek..." "I know man, but I'm going to go see it anyway."

Star Trek has been inaccessible to the majority of the public for years now. This movie is a chance to save a dying franchise and breath new life into Trek.
Star Trek could be *gasp* POPULAR for the first time in 40 years.
And that is a good thing in my book.

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Yeah, that's my opinion too. Also, I had to comment as the last time I said anything no one replied for nearly a week :boba:
 
Didn't read this, but on the subject of the movie I'm gonna see it, I just have low expectations. The whole injection of Star Wars into Trek kinda doesn't sit well with me. Trek is Trek and Wars is Wars. And Trek, fer all it's sterile protocol and character interaction, offered up plenty of great action scenes that only got better with the technology.

BTW, I'd say DS9 was my favorite as well. Enterprise coulda been so great, but they clung too tightly to what was already established instead of makin' 'em the trailblazers they shoulda been. THAT coulda used a Wars injection.
 
I don't have low expectations for it, I just have excitement. I'm not going into it wondering if it'll make me feel the same way Trek did as a kid, or how it makes me feel now. I just want to see it and judge it after.

Enterprise was such a cock up. I agree, should have been about how we get to current Trek, NOT rushing to establish the same status quo more or less. When I heard about it, I thought it would be a bit more Star Wars-ish; I could see the Earth ships (and that was my main issue... ONE ship for the majority of the series that could possibly put up a fight against enemies.. maybe.) pissing off the Klingons, and we get a nice war. And the Romulans as well... so much potential.

They could have played with Klingons/Romulans (whichever) not knowing the location of Earth and systematically expanding to find it. The Vulcans and a few other races step in because of this genocidal behavior, establishing the foundations of the Federation. That could easily played out over four or five seasons (reference Babylon 5 for how to structure that kind of story). I was expecting established continuity in new situations and developed in new ways. Not established continuity in the same stagnated way, with ZERO character development. I wanted the foundations of Trek, I got the foundations of crap. :(
 

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