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State of Emergency: Baltimore Edition

I caught the flamebait you posted.

I wonder do you put Kelly, Schloss, Craig, or anyone else that has had a similar opinion to mine on ignore? :mnm:

I never made up that stat. It was featured on faux news, so some may question it based on that alone though :o

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Yeah, those numbers are a load of bunk:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...reilly-cites-faulty-data-claim-about-shootin/
 
I felt most of President's comments were on point. I think if he is going to have any activism in him, he should address the totality of problems though. Addressing the cops is part of the issue. But why are the cops after these guys in first place? Criminals. Many have long rap sheets before these incidents. In some of these cases they fought the officers, and did not comply. We have young men in the streets that aren't getting an education. Without an education they aren't getting careers. The unwed mother rate is insane. There is not enough support for these mothers, so they have to rely on government programs. The issues are larger than just the cop is all I'm saying. I think there is societal commentary he should speak on a wider scope.
 
Many have long rap sheets before these incidents. In some of these cases they fought the officers, and did not comply. We have young men in the streets that aren't getting an education. Without an education they aren't getting careers. The unwed mother rate is insane. There is not enough support for these mothers, so they have to rely on government programs. The issues are larger than just the cop is all I'm saying. I think there is societal commentary he should speak on a wider scope.

None of those are are reasons to kill people.
 
You can't wave a gun around in front of a cop or charge a cop, and be surprised when you get shot.

Some of these deaths are suspect. The guy who got shot 8 times in the back. Gray dying in the back of the cruiser. But the Ferguson kid who attacked Darren Wilson?
 
You can't wave a gun around in front of a cop or charge a cop, and be surprised when you get shot.

Some of these deaths are suspect. The guy who got shot 8 times in the back. Gray dying in the back of the cruiser. But the Ferguson kid who attacked Darren Wilson?

I don't think we, as humans, like it when there's the possibility of more to the narrative...see my sig.
 
I haven't checked out the link yet. But the fact is, I didn't make up any numbers for an agenda. Anyone trying to sully my name or intent on that is being disingenuous. I did quote the numbers in support of my view that the law enforcement shootings on black men are an anomaly not an epidemic. Basically, I really feel the media fuels the flames by focusing on these stories and causing greater divide. "White Cop shoots Black Man" type headlines get hits. Many times fueling these riots as well. Lot's of buildings looted and burned down from these situations :(
 
You are wasting your time, man. Also don't quote him. Eh, I'm just going for the exit.
Stop trolling. Either stay on topic and give your view like an adult, or stop these passive aggressive attacks on me. It's played out. The same exact points I make that you troll on: have been made by Kelly, Schloss, Craig, and others. You are simply focusing on me for the sport of it. Just knock it off.
 
You can't wave a gun around in front of a cop or charge a cop, and be surprised when you get shot.

Except Rice clearly didn't know there was a cop there. Also, who said anything about charging anyone?

Some of these deaths are suspect. The guy who got shot 8 times in the back. Gray dying in the back of the cruiser.

And Tamir Rice.

But the Ferguson kid who attacked Darren Wilson?

His name was Michael Brown.
 
"The blade itself incites to deeds of violence-" Homer.
 
Eh, it isn't the first time Fox News has posted this data as well.

Sam, I like you but saw that post before edit. Come on man, plenty of people have shared similar views. No reason to troll him for it :( Let's all get along dang it :argh: We have to have some respect for each other's opinion or there will be anarchy :eek: :p
 
Sam, I like you but saw that post before edit. Come on man, plenty of people have shared similar views. No reason to troll him for it :( Let's all get along dang it :argh: We have to have some respect for each other's opinion or there will be anarchy :eek: :p

My beef has always been with the numbers he brings up. Not with his stance on the cop killing or not. I don't blame the cop for doing what he did here.
 
But we weren't talking about what happened in Ferguson.

I notice both sides tend to group other events unrelated to support their opinion. :shrug: Like I was reading about the riot and someone posts about white people at sporting events. What the??????? Completely unrelated to actual event at hand. Just a way to say that their side is justified since the other side has done it. Yikes.
 
Believing that life is fair might make you a terrible person
Faced with injustice, we’ll try to alleviate it – but, if we can’t, we’ll do the next best thing, psychologically speaking: blame the victims of the injustice
Oliver Burkeman
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...life-is-fair-might-make-you-a-terrible-person
If you’ve been following the news recently, you know that human beings are terrible and everything is appalling. Yet the sheer range of ways we find to sabotage our efforts to make the world a better place continues to astonish. Did you know, for example, that last week’s commemorations of the liberation of Auschwitz may have marginally increased the prevalence of antisemitism in the modern world, despite being partly intended as a warning against its consequences? Or that reading about the eye-popping state of economic inequality could make you less likely to support politicians who want to do something about it?

These are among numerous unsettling implications of the “just-world hypothesis”, a psychological bias explored in a new essay by Nicholas Hune-Brown at Hazlitt. The world, obviously, is a manifestly unjust place: people are always meeting fates they didn’t deserve, or not receiving rewards they did deserve for hard work or virtuous behaviour. Yet several decades of research have established that our need to believe otherwise runs deep. Faced with evidence of injustice, we’ll certainly try to alleviate it if we can – but, if we feel powerless to make things right, we’ll do the next best thing, psychologically speaking: we’ll convince ourselves that the world isn’t so unjust after all.

Hence the finding, in a 2009 study, that Holocaust memorials can increase antisemitism. Confronted with an atrocity they otherwise can’t explain, people become slightly more likely, on average, to believe that the victims must have brought it on themselves.

The classic experiment demonstrating the just-world effect took place in 1966, when Melvyn Lerner and Carolyn Simmons showed people what they claimed were live images of a woman receiving agonizing electric shocks for her poor performance in a memory test. Given the option to alleviate her suffering by ending the shocks, almost everybody did so: humans may be terrible, but most of us don’t go around being consciously and deliberately awful. When denied any option to halt her punishment, however – when forced to just sit and watch her apparently suffer – the participants adjusted their opinions of the woman downwards, as if to convince themselves her agony wasn’t so indefensible because she wasn’t really such an innocent victim. “The sight of an innocent person suffering without possibility of reward or compensation”, Lerner and Simmons concluded, “motivated people to devalue the attractiveness of the victim in order to bring about a more appropriate fit between her fate and her character.” It’s easy to see how a similar psychological process might lead, say, to the belief that victims of sexual assault were “asking for it”: if you can convince yourself of that, you can avoid acknowledging the horror of the situation.

What’s truly unsettling about the just-world bias is that while it can have truly unpleasant effects, these follow from what seems like the entirely understandable urge to believe that things happen for a reason. After all, if we didn’t all believe that to some degree, life would be an intolerably chaotic and terrifying nightmare in, which effort and payback were utterly unrelated, and there was no point planning for the future, saving money for retirement or doing anything else in hope of eventual reward. We’d go mad. Surely wanting the world to make a bit more sense than that is eminently forgivable?

Yet, ironically, this desire to believe that things happen for a reason leads to the kinds of positions that help entrench injustice instead of reducing it.

Hune-Brown cites another recent bit of evidence for the phenomenon: people with a strong belief in a just world, he reports, are more likely to oppose affirmative action schemes intended to help women or minorities. You needn’t be explicitly racist or sexist to hold such views, nor committed to a highly individualistic political position (such as libertarianism); the researchers controlled for those. You need only cling to a conviction that the world is basically fair. That might be a pretty naive position, of course – but it’s hard to argue that it’s a hateful one. Similar associations have been found between belief in a just world and a preference for authoritarian political leaders. To shield ourselves psychologically from the terrifying thought that the world is full of innocent people suffering, we endorse politicians and policies more likely to make that suffering worse.

All of which is another reminder of a truth that’s too often forgotten in our era of extreme political polarization and 24/7 internet outrage: wrong opinions – even deeply obnoxious opinions – needn’t necessarily stem from obnoxious motivations. “Victim-blaming” provides the clearest example: barely a day goes by without some commentator being accused (often rightly) of implying that somebody’s suffering was their own fault. That’s a viewpoint that should be condemned, of course: it’s unquestionably unpleasant to suggest that the victims of, say, the Charlie Hebdo killings, brought their fates upon themselves. But the just-world hypothesis shows how such opinions need not be the consequence of a deep character fault on the part of the blamer, or some tiny kernel of evil in their soul. It might simply result from a strong need to feel that the world remains orderly, and that things still make some kind of sense.

Facing the truth – that the world visits violence and poverty and discrimination upon people capriciously, with little regard for what they’ve done to deserve it – is much scarier. Because, if there’s no good explanation for why any specific person is suffering, it’s far harder to escape the frightening conclusion that it could easily be you next.
 
I notice both sides tend to group other events unrelated to support their opinion. :shrug: Like I was reading about the riot and someone posts about white people at sporting events. What the??????? Completely unrelated to actual event at hand. Just a way to say that their side is justified since the other side has done it. Yikes.

No, that is actually pertinent to the conversation. The point in bringing that up is to illustrate that the media and mainstream culture don't react anywhere near as harshly to white people rioting over sporting events as they do to brown people rioting over systemic injustice. It's point out a hypocrisy.
 
My beef has always been with the numbers he brings up. Not with his stance on the cop killing or not. I don't blame the cop for doing what he did here.

People use numbers all the time to support their argument. Of course stats can be skewed from both sides of an argument. That said, he didn't make them up, just quoted them.
 
People use numbers all the time to support their argument. Of course stats can be skewed from both sides of an argument. That said, he didn't make them up, just quoted them.
I guess this got missed by everybody. *ahem* Anyone trying to sully my name or intent on that is being disingenuous. I did quote the numbers in support of my view that the law enforcement shootings on black men are an anomaly not an epidemic. Basically, I really feel the media fuels the flames by focusing on these stories and causing greater divide.
 
People use numbers all the time to support their argument. Of course stats can be skewed from both sides of an argument. That said, he didn't make them up, just quoted them.

Yeah, but he is always proven wrong. And he brought it up during the other riots and and now here. He brings it up time and time again.

More white folks as a whole: Less crime

Less black folks as a whole: More crime

Some bs logic to me.
 
Yeah, but he is always proven wrong. And he brought it up during the other riots and and now here. He brings it up time and time again.

More white folks as a whole: Less crime

Less black folks as a whole: More crime

Some bs logic to me.

Get back on the topic, get off the poster. Not another post like this one.
 
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So you can see into the minds of a million white people and know they're all racist and don't care about social injustice?

No, but I never said that I could. What I said (actually, all Jesse Benn said, I was quoting him) was that on the whole, white people tend to be more vocally opposed to rioting than they are to be vocally opposed to the police brutality and deaths that incited the rioting in the first place.

You can tell, because that's what the post you just quoted actually says.
 

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