Stem Cells May Not Be Necessary After All!

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Cells change identity in promising breakthrough

By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer
Wed Aug 27, 4:42 PM ET



NEW YORK - Talk about an extreme makeover: Scientists have transformed one type of cell into another in living mice, a big step toward the goal of growing replacement tissues to treat a variety of diseases.

The cell identity switch turned ordinary pancreas cells into the rarer type that churns out insulin, essential for preventing diabetes. But its implications go beyond diabetes to a host of possibilities, scientists said.

It's the second advance in about a year that suggests that someday doctors might be able to use a patient's own cells to treat disease or injury without turning to stem cells taken from embryos.

The work is "a major leap" in reprogramming cells from one kind to another, said one expert not involved in the research, John Gearhart of the University of Pennsylvania.

That's because the feat was performed in living mice rather than a lab dish, the process was efficient and it was achieved directly without going through a middleman like embryonic stem cells, he said.

The newly created cells made insulin in diabetic mice, though they were not cured. But if the experiment's approach proves viable, it might lead to treatments like growing new heart cells after a heart attack or nerve cells to treat disorders like ALS, formerly Lou Gehrig's disease.

Douglas Melton, co-director of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute and a researcher with the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, cautioned that the approach is not ready for people.

He and his colleagues report the research in a paper published online Wednesday by the journal Nature.

Basically, the identity switch comes about by a reprogramming process that changes the pattern of which genes are active and which are shut off.

Scientists have long hoped to find a way to reprogram a patient's cells to produce new ones. Research with stem cells, and similar entities called iPS cells that were announced last year, has aimed to achieve this in a two-step process.

The first step results in a primitive and highly versatile cell. This intermediary is then guided to mature into whatever cell type scientists want. That guiding process has proven difficult to do efficiently, especially for creating insulin-producing cells, Gearhart noted.

In contrast, the new method holds the promise of going directly from one mature cell type to another. It's like a scientist becoming a lawyer without having to go back to kindergarten and grow up again, Melton says.

So, he says, someday scientists may be able to replace dead nerve or heart cells in people by converting some neighboring cells. At the same time, he stressed that it's still important to study embryonic stem cells and iPS cells.

The Melton team started its work with pancreas cells that pump out gut enzymes used in digestion and turned them into pancreatic "beta" cells, which make insulin.

The researchers destroyed beta cells in mice with a poison, giving the mice diabetes. Then they injected the pancreas with viruses that slipped into the enzyme-making cells. These viruses delivered three genes that control the activity of other genes.

Just three days later, new insulin-secreting cells started to show up. By a week after that, more than a fifth of the virally infected cells started making insulin. That shows "an amazingly efficient effect," commented Richard Insel, executive vice president of research at the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation.

Scientists found evidence that the newcomers were converts from mature enzyme-making cells. They identified the new cells as beta cells by their detailed appearance and behavior, and Melton said they've continued functioning for months.

The new cells didn't fully replenish the insulin supply, but maybe there were too few of them, or they were hampered by not forming clusters like ordinary beta cells do, researchers said.

The work brings "more excitement to the idea of using reprogramming as a way to treat diabetes," said researcher Mark Kay of Stanford University, who is studying the approach with liver cells.

Christopher Newgard, who studies beta cells at Duke University Medical Center, called the work convincing but cautioned that significant scientific questions remained about using the approach in treating disease.

Melton, who began his diabetes research in 1993 when his infant son was diagnosed with the illness, said he's obsessed with trying to find a new treatment or cure for Type 1 diabetes, in which beta cells are destroyed.

"I wake up every day thinking about how to make beta cells," he said.

Melton said he hopes drugs can replace the virus approach because of concern about injecting viruses into people.

As for converting other kinds of cells, scientists noted that the two cell types in the mouse experiment are closely related, and it remains to be shown whether the trick can be achieved with more distant combinations. In any case, scientists would have to deliver different reprogramming signals to other kinds of cells, Melton said.
This is awesome news. I never really had a problem with stem cells (at all, actually), but if they can develop this it could make stem cells obsolete. Now people can stop whining.
 
Let's not get too excited. Scientists are always so read to think about the long term implications before they put the finishing touches on the progress they have made.
 
Scientists are always so read to think about the long term implications before they put the finishing touches on the progress they have made.
Nobody's saying this technique is even close to being perfected, though. :huh: I mean, you say that they think about long term implications like it's a bad thing. Just because they think about long-term applications doesn't mean they aren't working to make current methods better.

That's what I can't understand about peoples' conceptions of scientists. Hell, 90% of people don't understand the underlying principles of science in general, so I guess that's not a huge shock.

I dunno. I guess being a scientist myself, it's easy for me to say you're wrong.

The point, however, is that they are still putting finishing touches on the progress they've made. Thinking about the future and the implications is important in scientific endeavors.
 
Spoons has a degree in science and is a microbiologist :huh:
 
The own heard 'round the world.
 
Nobody's saying this technique is even close to being perfected, though. :huh: I mean, you say that they think about long term implications like it's a bad thing. Just because they think about long-term applications doesn't mean they aren't working to make current methods better.

That's what I can't understand about peoples' conceptions of scientists. Hell, 90% of people don't understand the underlying principles of science in general, so I guess that's not a huge shock.

I dunno. I guess being a scientist myself, it's easy for me to say you're wrong.

The point, however, is that they are still putting finishing touches on the progress they've made. Thinking about the future and the implications is important in scientific endeavors.

My opinion requires no scientific experience whatsoever. Anytime the slightest bit of progress is made in research, scientists and journalists run wild with ideas for what this could lead to. Finish your project in its entirety and then start dreaming :up:

Spoons has a degree in science and is a microbiologist :huh:

:heart:
 
My opinion requires no scientific experience whatsoever. Anytime the slightest bit of progress is made in research, scientists and journalists run wild with ideas for what this could lead to. Finish your project in its entirety and then start dreaming :up:
Well, as I just found out, I was wrong about your experience. Still, I've gotta disagree, man. I don't feel like that's how it is. I feel like this sort of dreaming is a good way to figure out where you're going. That's not to say that they shouldn't make sure they're taking steps to ensure they're doing it right at this moment, though. Not at all. :up:
 
That's awesome. :up: I made an assumption and was wrong.

Still, I disagree with his overall position.

What do you work on, Spoons?

I'd like to be working on diseases but the company I work for is more concerned with making billions than medicine. We're working on making gasoline from bacteria, using bacteria to increase oil yield during drilling, making fish oil from yeast instead of fish, and hair care products(easily the most boring and pointless project we run).

All useful stuff, but I'd rather be playing with MRSA or AIDS :D
 
Well, as I just found out, I was wrong about your experience. Still, I've gotta disagree, man. I don't feel like that's how it is. I feel like this sort of dreaming is a good way to figure out where you're going. That's not to say that they shouldn't make sure they're taking steps to ensure they're doing it right at this moment, though. Not at all. :up:

The scientific world needs dreamers. People to suggest cool and useful applications for research being done. I'm not one of those people. I like to get on projects, see them through to the end, AND THEN if I have time, I'll dream up some cool **** :D
 
I'd like to be working on diseases but the company I work for is more concerned with making billions than medicine. We're working on making gasoline from bacteria, using bacteria to increase oil yield during drilling, making fish oil from yeast instead of fish, and hair care products(easily the most boring and pointless project we run).

All cool stuff, but I'd rather be playing with MRSA or AIDS :D
That's badass. So really, this stuff is way more up your alley than mine. Do you plan on ever going into MRSA or AIDS research? Is that a possibility?
 
That's badass. So really, this stuff is way more up your alley than mine. Do you plan on ever going into MRSA or AIDS research? Is that a possibility?

Dude, they're playing w/ MRSA right down the hallway from my lab but my supervisor won't let me near it cuz they need me working on other stuff. It's torture.

HIV/AIDs research would be badass but I need more virology experience and right now I'm 100% bacteriology. I might go back to school and get my Masters in both. Can't have too many degrees.

I don't claim to be a molecular biologist by any means. My field is similar but those guys could confuse me in a second if they wanted to :( What are you into?
 
Dude, they're playing w/ MRSA right down the hallway from my lab but my supervisor won't let me near it cuz they need me working on other stuff. It's torture.

HIV/AIDs research would be badass but I need more virology experience and right now I'm 100% bacteriology. I might go back to school and get my Masters in both. Can't have too many degrees.

What are you into?
Marine biology. My goal is to study elasmobranchs (sharks, skates and rays), but the only research I have under my belt have been small projects involving chromatophore activity in marine sculpin species (looking at color change, basically) and camouflage behavior.

You're actually a head of me in the scheme of things. Don't think I'll make that assumption again. I shoulda known though when I brought up Adenosine triphosphate and you knew what I was talking about a while back. :woot:

I had a Greek girl in a marine bio class a while ago who wants to study marine microbiology...viruses and bacteria in the world's oceans. Sounded pretty awesome.

OH, and I keep editing this post, but I have to ask: do you consider viruses to be living organisms?
 
Marine biology. My goal is to study elasmobranchs (sharks, skates and rays), but the only research I have under my belt have been small projects involving chromatophore activity in marine sculpin species (looking at color change, basically) and camouflage behavior.

You're actually a head of me in the scheme of things. Don't think I'll make that assumption again. I shoulda known though when I brought up Adenosine triphosphate and you knew what I was talking about a while back. :woot:

Ah, thought the shark thing was just your gimmick, like Teddy lol. Unless Teddy studies teddy bears... :huh:

My fav species of bacteria is actually out in the water fibrio fischeri. It colonizes in squid. I'd like to get out there and play w/ it but I'm terrified of what's out there in the water. Remember that angler fish from Finding Nemo? F that!

Everybody should know what ATP is :o
 
The own heard 'round the world.

Ha, I think Carcharodon is an awesome poster, though :yay:

I wish I had a more concrete opinion on the information in this thread as I find it all fascinating. However, as someone with a degree in English, I definitely haven't taken enough science courses in my life to fully understand a lot of it :o
 
Ha, I think Carcharodon is an awesome poster, though :yay:

I wish I had a more concrete opinion on the information in this thread as I find it all fascinating. However, as someone with a degree in English, I definitely haven't taken enough science courses in my life to fully understand a lot of it :o
You're like Rosy and Otto Octavius...you know, hopefully without all the bad stuff. :csad:
 
You're like Rosy and Otto Octavius...you know, hopefully without all the bad stuff. :csad:

You never know, one day he might go evil scientist on us all :csad: I want lilies at my funeral and an extra helping of guilt heaped on Spoons :o
 
NOT a molecular biologist lol. But I know a few. If America wasn't "one nation under God", we'd be much further along in cloning.
Sometimes I really wish we weren't "one nation under God". Cloning has lots of potential.
 

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